Fantasy Football draft help

[CleBrownsfan]

Okay guys - I've gone back and forth and really don't know who to pick in my draft tomorrow:

10 man league PPR, 6 pnts for all TD, 1pnt for every 25 yds rushing/rec., 1 pnt for every 50 yards passing. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, K, DT

I'm drafting 7th and guessing the following will be gone:
LT
Westbrook
AP
Addai
S.Jackson
Brady

So who do you guys suggest I pick @ 7?

[MikeVic]

I say Moss. Potential is way too good to pass up. I'd even take Owens over the rest...

[evil homer]

i'm interested in this too, as i also have the 7th pick in a 10 team draft (draft is next tuesday). i voted for portis, as i think he will have a big year, and i'm looking to get the best WR available on the way back.

[samifan24]

I think you have to go with Moss here. TO is a great player but Moss gets my vote because of his QB and his team's playbook.

[CleBrownsfan]

My thought was to get a quality RB (Portis, Lynch, ect.) and get one of the top 5 WR's going back up.

[BrianD]

6 points for every TD? Shouldn't we be looking at a QB here?

[MikeVic]

Huh yeah where's Manning and Romo.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by BrianD

6 points for every TD? Shouldn't we be looking at a QB here?

I just don't like taking a QB in the 1st round... Only start one QB compared to finding two RB and two WR's to start each week.

[QuikSand]

With TDs weighted heavily, and no differentiation between passes and rush/rec, I think Manning has to be considered. In a 10-team league you're going to have quality at QB anyhow, but that scoring system really rewards passing TDs more than most.

If your plan is instead to get a RB and WR here at 7 and 14... why not start with Moss and get the top guy there? You're still going to get one of the next several RB at pick 14 if that's what you want, and the difference between "Portis, Lynch, etc." or whomever you get at #14 is bound to be a lot less than the dropoff between Moss and whomever you get at #14 there. Just the fact that you have to list a whole trail of RBs to describe what you might do there should tell you this -- there's not a huge differentiation among the tier you're looking at here.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

I just don't like taking a QB in the 1st round... Only start one QB compared to finding two RB and two WR's to start each week.

So you would take 11TD Portis over 35TD Manning?

[Passacaglia]

You've also got to figure that Manning and maybe Romo will be gone by the time you get to pick -- so if you want a RB, one of the guys you think are drafted might fall.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You've also got to figure that Manning and maybe Romo will be gone by the time you get to pick -- so if you want a RB, one of the guys you think are drafted might fall.

The way this league has drafted in the past RB will be taken early... if one of the top 5 RB's drop to me I'll be ecstatic

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by BrianD

So you would take 11TD Portis over 35TD Manning?

I understand what you are saying but I just like to get my 2 RB's / 2 WR"s intact before I look at a QB. Hell, the way the league drafts Manning may be there for my in the second round.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

I understand what you are saying but I just like to get my 2 RB's / 2 WR"s intact before I look at a QB. Hell, the way the league drafts Manning may be there for my in the second round.

Got any openings in your league?

[rowech]

6 pt TD leagues, you have to go Manning here.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by BrianD

So you would take 11TD Portis over 35TD Manning?

That's not so much the question as it would be 11TD Portis over what RB he could get in the next round vs 35TD Manning and what he could get later.

And as a Manning owner, I'm still viewing 35TD as an awfully optimistic number right now. I hope you're right and all, but gotta compare apples to apples then weight the differences. If he's pretty sure the draft is going to go RB heavy early that has to factor into his choice too.

[MikeVic]

Yeah that's true too Travis. He knows his league's tendencies.

[sachmo71]

Barber is going around there, or a little earlier, in most projections.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Travis

That's not so much the question as it would be 11TD Portis over what RB he could get in the next round vs 35TD Manning and what he could get later.

And as a Manning owner, I'm still viewing 35TD as an awfully optimistic number right now. I hope you're right and all, but gotta compare apples to apples then weight the differences. If he's pretty sure the draft is going to go RB heavy early that has to factor into his choice too.

I just grabbed last year's numbers. I know that isn't a proper projection for next year, but someone that scores 2x-3x more is going to get my pick. If Romo or Brees was still around in the next round, I'd be pretty tempted to pick them up too. In a QB-heavy scoring system, I can't believe they wouldn't get tremendous trade value.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I just grabbed last year's numbers. I know that isn't a proper projection for next year, but someone that scores 2x-3x more is going to get my pick. If Romo or Brees was still around in the next round, I'd be pretty tempted to pick them up too. In a QB-heavy scoring system, I can't believe they wouldn't get tremendous trade value.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think with the trend towards RBBC, nabbing two clear #1 RB's (if you can) gives you a big advantage. The difference in scoring between a guy like Manning and Hasselbeck (who you can pick up after nabbing a pair of RB and a WR if not later) isn't as great as taking a chance with some of the second/third tier RB compared to guys who are locks to touch the ball 250 times barring injury. Injury is obviously the biggest unknown factor, but give me the clear cut #1 RB type and I'll pick up a QB later on more often than not. Brady was ridiculous last year, but after that the difference (to me) in QB scoring doesn't warrant taking one this high.

[General Mike]

I'd take Portis.

[MrDNA]

Number of posts it took me to realize he wasn't thinking of drafting Tiki Barber: 18.

[Racer]

I would take Randy Moss. There's probably not a ton of difference between the running backs you can get with your 1st round pick versus your second round pick. There could be a big difference between Randy Moss and any other wide receiver.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by Racer

I would take Randy Moss. There's probably not a ton of difference between the running backs you can get with your 1st round pick versus your second round pick. There could be a big difference between Randy Moss and any other wide receiver.

This is my exact felling about drafting Moss 1st. My ideal scenario would be if Gore dropped for my second round pick. In a PPR league I think Gore can be a decent #1 in this format.

[CleBrownsfan]

More I'm looking at mock draft, cheat sheets, ect. I'm thinking of selecting Gore (I think could be a stud with PPR) or Barber 1st and still able to select one of the top 4 or 5 WR's.

I guess I'm thinking what would I rather have: Gore and Wayne OR Moss and MJD?

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

More I'm looking at mock draft, cheat sheets, ect. I'm thinking of selecting Gore (I think could be a stud with PPR) or Barber 1st and still able to select one of the top 4 or 5 WR's.

I guess I'm thinking what would I rather have: Gore and Wayne OR Moss and MJD?

This is how I would look at it. I voted for Barber, who I have a few spots ahead of Moss on my list (I have Gore a few spots after).

With the #14 pick, you should be able to look at RBs like MJD, Grant, maybe Larry Johnson if people are nervous about him. WRs available could include studs like Wayne or Owens, and would likely include guys like Edwards and Fitzgerald.

Personally I would probably still go with two RBs, but a lot of smart folks are moving away from that approach especially in smaller leagues.

[CleBrownsfan]

I think selecting 2 RB's first is becoming a thing of the past. To many RBBC to give decent depth at RB...

I'm just having a real hard time deciding who to pick for my 1st RB: Gore, Barber, or Portis.

Should I be worried about Barber splitting carries with Jones?

[MikeVic]

I have Gore just above Barber in my rankings.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I have Gore just above Barber in my rankings.

Plus he looks pretty good last night

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Should I be worried about Barber splitting carries with Jones?

No. The absolute worst-case (barring injury of course) would be for him to split carries just as much as he did with Julius Jones. And when that was the scenario, he was still an excellent fantasy RB.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

I think selecting 2 RB's first is becoming a thing of the past. To many RBBC to give decent depth at RB...

Your observation is correct but if you can get two starting RBs who aren't part of a RBBC then you should be doing it every single time.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Your observation is correct but if you can get two starting RBs who aren't part of a RBBC then you should be doing it every single time.

I feel in the second round I can't pass up a top tier WR for a low 2nd/ or top 3rd tier RB - especially in a PPR league...

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Your observation is correct but if you can get two starting RBs who aren't part of a RBBC then you should be doing it every single time.

And actually, if there's more RBBC then stud RBs become scarcer and it becomes more important to draft two good ones if you can.

(But of course, don't reach for a platoon guy in round two if the top guys are all gone.)

[CleBrownsfan]

Dude - my brain is so f'n scattered right now. I've gone back to wanting Moss in the 1st and even taking another top tier WR in the 2nd (if their is one available). Then stock piling on RB's 3,4, & 5th rounds...

Is this a crazy strategy?

[johnnyshaka]

There aren't going to be many RBs to "stockpile" in rounds 3-5.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

There aren't going to be many RBs to "stockpile" in rounds 3-5.

I'm thinking of the following for my #1 and #2 backs:
Maroney, Bush (would love if he dropped for my 3rd rnd selection), Jacobs, J.Lewis, Forte, McFadden, Edge, Thomas Jones...

[CleBrownsfan]

After chatting with few buddies -they convinced me to draft a RB in the 1st round... so here we go:



Manning, Eli QB
Rodgers, Aaron QB

Gore, Frank RB
Maroney, Laurence RB
Jones, Felix RB
Parker, Willie RB
Taylor, Chester RB

Owens, Terrell WR
Welker, Wes WR
Bruce, Isaac WR SF
Gonzalez, Anthony WR
Stallworth, Donte' WR

Winslow, Kellen TE
Crumpler, Alge TE

Brown, Josh K
Nugent, Mike K

Colts DST
Panthers DST

[CleBrownsfan]

Draft results (I'm Dog Pound):

Draft Results
Round 1
Pick Team Player Elapsed Time Pts
1 Ohio Greg LaDainian Tomlinson (RB SD) 9 sec
2 Louie Doggz Brian Westbrook (RB PHI) 1 min 4 sec
3 Boston TeaBags Tom Brady (QB NE) 58 sec
4 IN DA FACE Adrian Peterson (RB MIN) 21 sec
5 Cyclones Steven Jackson (RB STL) 30 sec
6 Malvern Marvel Joseph Addai (RB IND) 54 sec
7 Dog Pound Frank Gore (RB SF) 47 sec
8 Powderpuffs Randy Moss (WR NE) 57 sec
9 Eric Marion Barber (RB DAL) 28 sec
10 This That and the Other Marshawn Lynch (RB BUF)

Round 2
11 This That and the Other Reggie Wayne (WR IND) 24 sec
12 Eric Braylon Edwards (WR CLE) 1 min 55 sec
13 Powderpuffs Larry Johnson (RB KC) 22 sec
14 Dog Pound Terrell Owens (WR DAL) 49 sec
15 Malvern Marvel Marques Colston (WR NO) 27 sec
16 Cyclones Larry Fitzgerald (WR ARI) 2 min 52 sec
17 IN DA FACE Peyton Manning (QB IND) 1 min 51 sec
18 Boston TeaBags Reggie Bush (RB NO) 1 min 3 sec
19 Louie Doggz Clinton Portis (RB WAS) 47 sec
20 Ohio Greg Maurice Jones-Drew (RB JAC)

Round 3
21 Ohio Greg Tony Romo (QB DAL) 7 sec
22 Louie Doggz Andre Johnson (WR HOU) 1 min 14 sec
23 Boston TeaBags Ryan Grant (RB GB) 50 sec
24 IN DA FACE Chad Johnson (WR CIN) 2 min 13 sec
25 Cyclones T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR CIN) 50 sec
26 Malvern Marvel Drew Brees (QB NO) 43 sec
27 Dog Pound Wes Welker (WR NE) 2 min 10 sec
28 Powderpuffs Carson Palmer (QB CIN) 21 sec
29 Eric Steve Smith (WR CAR) 2 min 31 sec
30 This That and the Other Brandon Marshall (WR DEN)

Round 4
31 This That and the Other Anquan Boldin (WR ARI) 4 sec
32 Eric Michael Turner (RB ATL) 3 min 4 sec
33 Powderpuffs Plaxico Burress (WR NYG) 2 min 14 sec
34 Dog Pound Kellen Winslow (TE CLE) 3 min 25 sec
35 Malvern Marvel Jason Witten (TE DAL) 38 sec
36 Cyclones Willis McGahee (RB BAL) 60 sec
37 IN DA FACE Torry Holt (WR STL) 1 min 51 sec
38 Boston TeaBags Santonio Holmes (WR PIT) 1 min 5 sec
39 Louie Doggz Roy Williams (WR DET) 1 min 10 sec
40 Ohio Greg Laveranues Coles (WR NYJ) 15 sec

Round 5
41 Ohio Greg Antonio Gates (TE SD) 4 sec
42 Louie Doggz Brandon Jacobs (RB NYG) 2 min 22 sec
43 Boston TeaBags Calvin Johnson (WR DET) 53 sec
44 IN DA FACE Jamal Lewis (RB CLE) 1 min 1 sec
45 Cyclones Ben Roethlisberger (QB PIT) 17 sec
46 Malvern Marvel Greg Jennings (WR GB) 1 min 24 sec
47 Dog Pound Laurence Maroney (RB NE) 1 min 46 sec
48 Powderpuffs Tony Gonzalez (TE KC) 1 min 6 sec
49 Eric Darren McFadden (RB OAK) 17 sec
50 This That and the Other Earnest Graham (RB TB) 3 min 10 sec

Round 6
51 This That and the Other Selvin Young (RB DEN) 1 min 38 sec
52 Eric Derek Anderson (QB CLE) 29 sec
53 Powderpuffs Julius Jones (RB SEA) 3 min 56 sec
54 Dog Pound Willie Parker (RB PIT) 1 min 45 sec
55 Malvern Marvel Thomas Jones (RB NYJ) 1 min 42 sec
56 Cyclones Jerricho Cotchery (WR NYJ) 55 sec
57 IN DA FACE Edgerrin James (RB ARI) 1 min 52 sec
58 Boston TeaBags Ronnie Brown (RB MIA) 58 sec
59 Louie Doggz Marvin Harrison (WR IND) 47 sec
60 Ohio Greg Hines Ward (WR PIT) 21 sec

Round 7
61 Ohio Greg Kevin Smith (RB DET) 1 min 8 sec
62 Louie Doggz Roddy White (WR ATL) 1 min 33 sec
63 Boston TeaBags Donovan McNabb (QB PHI) 44 sec
64 IN DA FACE Chris Chambers (WR SD) 1 min 4 sec
65 Cyclones Chris Cooley (TE WAS) 2 min 5 sec
66 Malvern Marvel Matt Hasselbeck (QB SEA) 23 sec
67 Dog Pound Eli Manning (QB NYG) 11 sec
68 Powderpuffs Bernard Berrian (WR MIN) 1 min 7 sec
69 Eric Dallas Clark (TE IND) 1 min 35 sec
70 This That and the Other DeAngelo Williams (RB CAR) 1 min 55 sec

Round 8
71 This That and the Other Jay Cutler (QB DEN) 1 min 12 sec
72 Eric Lee Evans (WR BUF) 22 sec
73 Powderpuffs Dwayne Bowe (WR KC) 1 min 20 sec
74 Dog Pound Anthony Gonzalez (WR IND) 40 sec
75 Malvern Marvel Bears (DST CHI) 1 min 15 sec
76 Cyclones Matt Forte (RB CHI) 1 min 7 sec
77 IN DA FACE Jeremy Shockey (TE NO) 2 min 25 sec
78 Boston TeaBags Nate Burleson (WR SEA) 6 sec
79 Louie Doggz LenDale White (RB TEN) 60 sec
80 Ohio Greg Brett Favre (QB NYJ) 41 sec

Round 9
81 Ohio Greg Santana Moss (WR WAS) 32 sec
82 Louie Doggz Chargers (DST SD) 2 min 36 sec
83 Boston TeaBags Vernon Davis (TE SF) 1 min 11 sec
84 IN DA FACE Marc Bulger (QB STL) 3 min 8 sec
85 Cyclones David Garrard (QB JAC) 17 sec
86 Malvern Marvel Donald Driver (WR GB) 1 min 4 sec
87 Dog Pound Chester Taylor (RB MIN) 34 sec
88 Powderpuffs Rudi Johnson (RB CIN) 3 min 19 sec
89 Eric Jake Delhomme (QB CAR) 1 min 11 sec
90 This That and the Other Ricky Williams (RB MIA) 3 min 34 sec

Round 10
91 This That and the Other Justin Gage (WR TEN) 1 min 59 sec
92 Eric Fred Taylor (RB JAC) 1 min 19 sec
93 Powderpuffs Vikings (DST MIN) 54 sec
94 Dog Pound Donte' Stallworth (WR CLE) 37 sec
95 Malvern Marvel Jonathan Stewart (RB CAR) 36 sec
96 Cyclones Ray Rice (RB BAL) 2 min 32 sec
97 IN DA FACE Rashard Mendenhall (RB PIT) 1 min 50 sec
98 Boston TeaBags Todd Heap (TE BAL) 52 sec
99 Louie Doggz Heath Miller (TE PIT) 4 sec
100 Ohio Greg Adam Vinatieri (K IND) 1 min 8 sec

iRound 11
101 Ohio Greg Greg Olsen (TE CHI) 25 sec
102 Louie Doggz Jon Kitna (QB DET) 1 min 8 sec
103 Boston TeaBags Reggie Brown (WR PHI) 39 sec
104 IN DA FACE Nick Folk (K DAL) 1 min 41 sec
105 Cyclones DeSean Jackson (WR PHI) 1 min 9 sec
106 Malvern Marvel Leon Washington (RB NYJ) 17 sec
107 Dog Pound Felix Jones (RB DAL) 1 min 29 sec
108 Powderpuffs Stephen Gostkowski (K NE) 1 min 29 sec
109 Eric Patrick Crayton (WR DAL) 58 sec
110 This That and the Other Owen Daniels (TE HOU) 1 min 5 sec

Round 12
111 This That and the Other Matt Leinart (QB ARI) 5 sec
112 Eric L.J. Smith (TE PHI) 1 min 27 sec
113 Powderpuffs Philip Rivers (QB SD) 1 min 3 sec
114 Dog Pound Aaron Rodgers (QB GB) 9 sec
115 Malvern Marvel Chris Johnson (RB TEN) 1 min 8 sec
116 Cyclones Derrick Mason (WR BAL) 60 sec
117 IN DA FACE Javon Walker (WR OAK) 2 min 27 sec
118 Boston TeaBags Chris Perry (RB CIN) 1 min 48 sec
119 Louie Doggz Cowboys (DST DAL) 1 min 33 sec
120 Ohio Greg Deuce McAllister (RB NO) 12 sec

Round 13
121 Ohio Greg Joey Galloway (WR TB) 34 sec
122 Louie Doggz Nate Kaeding (K SD) 1 min 39 sec
123 Boston TeaBags Ted Ginn Jr. (WR MIA) 1 min 31 sec
124 IN DA FACE Steelers (DST PIT) 2 min 35 sec
125 Cyclones Steve Slaton (RB HOU) 53 sec
126 Malvern Marvel Patriots (DST NE) 29 sec
127 Dog Pound Isaac Bruce (WR SF) 1 min 10 sec
128 Powderpuffs Justin Fargas (RB OAK) 52 sec
129 Eric Seahawks (DST SEA) 1 min 24 sec
130 This That and the Other Randy McMichael (TE STL) 4 min 9 sec

Round 14
131 This That and the Other Kurt Warner (QB ARI) 18 sec
132 Eric Jerious Norwood (RB ATL) 2 min 7 sec
133 Powderpuffs Benjamin Watson (TE NE) 29 sec
134 Dog Pound Colts (DST IND) 11 sec
135 Malvern Marvel D.J. Hackett (WR CAR) 33 sec
136 Cyclones Tony Scheffler (TE DEN) 52 sec
137 IN DA FACE Donald Lee (TE GB) 2 min 3 sec
138 Boston TeaBags Giants (DST NYG) 28 sec
139 Louie Doggz Correll Buckhalter (RB PHI) 1 min 2 sec
140 Ohio Greg Matt Schaub (QB HOU) 22 sec

Round 15
141 Ohio Greg Ravens (DST BAL) 26 sec
142 Louie Doggz Jason Campbell (QB WAS) 2 min 3 sec
143 Boston TeaBags Shayne Graham (K CIN) 13 sec
144 IN DA FACE Ahmad Bradshaw (RB NYG) 2 min 0 sec
145 Cyclones Jaguars (DST JAC) 25 sec
146 Malvern Marvel Phil Dawson (K CLE) 1 min 3 sec
147 Dog Pound Alge Crumpler (TE TEN) 18 sec
148 Powderpuffs Packers (DST GB) 1 min 17 sec
149 Eric Jerry Porter (WR JAC) 1 min 45 sec
150 This That and the Other Eagles (DST PHI) 1 min 18 sec

Round 16
151 This That and the Other Titans (DST TEN) 4 sec
152 Eric Jets (DST NYJ) 1 min 52 sec
153 Powderpuffs Kris Brown (K HOU) 15 sec
154 Dog Pound Josh Brown (K STL) 16 sec
155 Malvern Marvel Rob Bironas (K TEN) 29 sec
156 Cyclones Mason Crosby (K GB) 1 min 12 sec
157 IN DA FACE David Akers (K PHI) 1 min 22 sec
158 Boston TeaBags Maurice Morris (RB SEA) 8 sec
159 Louie Doggz Vince Young (QB TEN) 32 sec
160 Ohio Greg Ryan Longwell (K MIN) 24 sec

Round 17
161 Ohio Greg Redskins (DST WAS) 22 sec
162 Louie Doggz Kevin Boss (TE NYG) 1 min 12 sec
163 Boston TeaBags Bills (DST BUF) 22 sec
164 IN DA FACE Buccaneers (DST TB) 1 min 17 sec
165 Cyclones Browns (DST CLE) 1 min 50 sec
166 Malvern Marvel Chris Henry (WR CIN) 1 min 5 sec
167 Dog Pound Panthers (DST CAR) 60 sec
168 Powderpuffs Bobby Engram (WR SEA) 1 min 4 sec
169 Eric John Kasay (K CAR) 15 sec
170 This That and the Other Matt Bryant (K TB) 1 min 7 sec

Round 18
171 This That and the Other Jeff Reed (K PIT) 2 min 27 sec (27 min
172 Eric Martin Gramatica (K NO) 17 sec (23 min 16 sec)
173 Powderpuffs JaMarcus Russell (QB OAK) 12 sec (22 min 17 sec)
174 Dog Pound Mike Nugent (K NYJ) 14 sec (17 min 31 sec)
175 Malvern Marvel Zach Miller (TE OAK) 2 min 3 sec (16 min 13 sec)
176 Cyclones Josh Scobee (K JAC) 14 sec (20 min 0 sec)
177 IN DA FACE Dominic Rhodes (RB IND) 40 sec (31 min 41 sec)
178 Boston TeaBags Brandon Coutu (K SEA) 13 sec (14 min 2 sec)
179 Louie Doggz Jason Hanson (K DET) 53 sec (22 min 39 sec)
180 Ohio Greg Chiefs (DST KC) 10 sec (7 min 37 sec)

[QuikSand]

I'll take Ohio Greg and lay the points.

[Maple Leafs]

Wes Welker was a reach and taking a TE before your second RB was a mistake, but you may have bailed yourself out getting Maroney and Parker in 5 and 6. Nice break there.

[MikeVic]

Do TEs get some sort of stat bonus in your league?

[MrDNA]

I like his team, but I still think that someone is going to draft Tiki Barber.

[Travis]

How did Portis last that long and I'm assuming the only way it took the guy 21 seconds to select AP was sheer stun time.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Travis

How did Portis last that long and I'm assuming the only way it took the guy 21 seconds to select AP was sheer stun time.

It's PPR, so AP isn't quite the same stud that he is in standard leagues since he doesn't catch many balls (or at least not last year).