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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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![]() Here it is guys!!!
See where your Hattrick team ranks!!! Some explanations: - NSI points is the sum of all your position ratings from the last league game of the said team, with midfield counting as triple its value - ratings are counted with the base value set at disastrous = 1, wretched = 2, and so on. - TW stands for "This Week" - LW stand for "Last Week" (not used now, since this is the first week of the rankings) - "+/-" will be used to denote movement in either the rank or the number of points - I intent on updating the rankings after every week of the regular season since the points are based on league games. This means the next update will be only after the first week of next season (which will be name week 19.01) That's about it, without further ado, HERE THEY ARE!!! Code:
I know the format leaves much to be desired, but I really wanted to post something tonight. As you can see, it's Dataking's Screamin' Seamen up top, followed by Ravenhawk's Gargoyles, with the top 3 closed by Ardent Enthusiast's North County Raiders. So here they are your comments are welcome. Any surprises to you Hattrick gurus? Later, FrogMan. Last edited by FrogMan : 03-21-2003 at 09:05 AM. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
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Tied for 20th.....hmmm I guess I have some improving to do. That looks outstanding Frogman, Thank You!!!
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Two things I forgot to mention:
(1) Milford Money wasn't included in this week's rankings since he got his team after the league game was played so it was the bot team that played his game. (2) I'm only human, mistakes can happen. If you think your team has been wrongly rated, simply PM me and I'll take a look at it. Later, FrogMan.
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Louisiana
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I am not a hattrick guru....but I am very (pleasantly) suprised my team was rated # 24....I thought I was going to be ranked much lower than that....and I don't think it is at all a suprise that Dataking is rated # 1
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Strategy Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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is there a way you can show the 'point total?' I'd like to know how dominating a lead DK has on everyone, or how far someone is from the person in front of them, etc...
is that possible? great work! |
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#6 |
Strategy Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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dola. nevermind... there it is! I'm blind and stupid.
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College Starter
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bay Area
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in the future, are you going to do the ranking based only on the previous week or are you going to have some sort of running average (last 3 games, with last weighted more, etc)?
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#8 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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Very interesting results. The top 5 are no surprise to me. I was also pleasantly surprised to find my team ranked #26, but I've fought long and hard to get my team from the sellar and to finish with a decent 20-29 GF/GA ratio for the season. I have a lot of work to do and I like the fact that we can now easily see where we stack up in terms of fellow FOFC teams. Like I said in the other thread, this could be a huge help when it comes to developing the 3rd FOFC Cup!
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#9 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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wow....i knew i had a fairly good team, but in my last game i played the best team in the league and they pretty much schooled me...very happy with tied for 18!!!
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Wow, tenth after only playing a month. I bet that drops next season since I MOTS'ed and my midfield will go back to it's crappy ways. Thanks Frogman.
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Somerville, MA
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wooohoo! not even close to last!
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Colorado Springs
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1) KICKASS work. Now I have even more things driving me to win at Hattrick!
2) 16th on the NevStar Power Ratings, eh. Not bad. I'll crack the top 10 by midseason. This I vow. ![]() |
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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Wow, if I would have just had a "weak" midfield, I would have been 4th. 9th isn't too bad though seeing as how I've only been playing since Dec. 30th.
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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Dola
Something you could add would be a team's all-time high NSI rating. This is awesome, thanks for all the hard work! |
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#16 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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Double Dola
How about puting the FOFC user by the team, i.e. NE Oklahoma Sidekicks (vexroid) |
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#17 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hometown of Canada
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I'm 50th
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#18 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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This is a really good tool to tell a team when they are ready for Div. IV play.
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Chicago
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I like it even better now that I've seen it.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
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Cool rankings!
"Darn the luck, Darn" (anyone know the cartoon quote?) I would have been top 10 if not for Starks's absence. Still, I'm not going to complain. It'd be cool to see a composite index based not only on NSI but running rankings, some minor component for friendlies (depth of organization), and the division you are in (division difficulty, win/loss, points, differential). Then again, that's hours more work than any of us should put into something like that. SI
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Rennes, France
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I'm really shocked to be in the top 15. My top players are only rated passable at best. I have only 1 solid rating (scorer). 80% of my team is only inadequate...
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Hey guys,
Thanks for all the very good comments, they're appreciated but I had fun designing a way to do these. Also, being the competitive guy that I am, I also wanted to see where my Pittbulls stood in the group. 32nd ain't all bad considering week 18.14 was only my third regular season league game... About suggestions, comments, request, let's see what we got here... Quote:
I was thinking about that, especially the fact that one bad week (an injured inner middie for example) could drop you hard in the rankings. What's the general train of thought on this? Three weeks with a 3-2-1 weight seems feasable... On the other hand, having depth on your hand should prevent you from dropping too much. Quote:
This is a good idea. I'll work on adding it in the future. Quote:
This was originally in my intentions. I simply ran out of time last night to do a good formatting. Even I, after processing 79 (yep we got 79 teams now!!! WOOHOO!!!) I can't always who is who from only the team name... Quote:
Could definitely be cool but would demand an amazing load of extra work compared to what it takes to make the rankings the way they are now. To explain myself, the way I do the rankings is I made a simple excel spreadsheet in which I copy/paste the ratings from every team's last game. This means I have to hunt for each and every of the 79 teams. But teh easy part is I only take their last game and copy their team ratings without any analysis. Going for running rankings, friendlys, division, etc, would ask somebody to punch in a bit more work... Also my train of thoughts was that it doesn't really mather which division you are in since the rankings are based on how your team performed, independently from how the other teams around you perform. The rankings is a picture of how your team's multiple parts add up. Maybe somebody could tell me if I'm wrong... Glad you all seem to appreciate the work. Later, FrogMan. |
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Only thing I could say is they play well together ![]() FrogMan. |
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#24 |
Mascot
Join Date: Nov 2002
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Woo hoo! I have 77 ranking points, I'm awes... err... wait.... Oh... Nevermind.
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#25 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Colorado Springs
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Froggy, if I've got some time at work, I'm going to set you up some webscripts to handle this. Basically, once the intitial team list is set up, all you'll have to do is select a team and pop in their NevStar Index. It'll do all the calculations for ya after that.
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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What do you mean? Would it be able to hunt the team's ratings on the Hattrick website? Cause I got the list set up nicely on my excel spreadsheet (Have I told you, Excel is my friend ![]() ![]() Once I've copied the ratings (as text) in the excel spreadsheet I've set up a tiny macro that adds the values and then writes the team name and NSI points at the end of the master list for the week. I'm no programmer but it works for now... FrogMan. |
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#27 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Colorado Springs
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Ahhhh. Might not be worth it then until I actually get it to dig the match ratings out. But that actually isn't that big of deal either.
I'll see what I can do about making life easier for you. (Hell, I might be able to totally automate it.) |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Coffee Warlord:
Be careful about doing this. From the hattrick rules: Quote:
Apparently, the developers aren't very liberal in granting permission. I emailed them for permission to develop a HAM like application about 3 weeks ago & never got a response. That reminds me, I guess I'll email them again.
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#29 |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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I love you guys.
Now onto items of a serious note. It looks like this will be my last season in the V.20 Level 5 unless the Level 4 team I play next week has recently acquired an entirely new 2 star roster. I want you all to know that I won't forget any of you. Except for maybe Dataking since he won't continue work on the Kansas Jayhawks dynasty. So next season, yours truly will be fighting not to be relegated...yay! As my supporters leave me for miserable loss after miserable loss, I will always remember this week's #7 ranking as my golden era in Hattrick. Now I must get set to face the Midwest Ice Storm FC (currently ranked #20) in today's semi-final of the FOFC Cup II. We have sharpened our cleats and wore silver studded gloves on one hand just as the NE Oklahoma Sidekicks have taught us. We will prevail or injure many Ice Stormers trying. Ah, I'm kidding myself. We'll still probably injure as many Ice Stormers trying even if we do prevail. Owner of the MoKan Mighty Bastards and sharpener of cleats. |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I just got this reply from the HT-developers regarding my queries to write utility applications. Looks like any automated FOFC rankings list is out of the question for the time being. We'll just have to make FrogMan feel appreciated
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#31 | |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Just a thought . . . I wonder if it wouldn't be helpful to have a thread where we each keep a post active and copy and paste in our last game's ratings. To keep the thread length from going out of control, we could edit our old post to remove the previous week's and add in the current week's ratings instead. For example, I could have my post in the thread where I post my last game's ratings. When I play my next game and get my ratings, I'll go in to 'edit' to remove the previous ratings and add the new one. If nothing else, this may save FrogMan some hunting work. It wouldn't take any one of us very long and would sure save FrogMan quite a bit of work. Any thoughts, opinions or ideas? ----- As an aside, for a slice of humble pie, I played a friendly against a team in the Sveringe D2 (Ib) and here's the ratings I went against: Wermdö Trappers Midfield: mythical Right Side Defence: brilliant Central Defence: utopian Left Side Defence: divine Right Side Attack: titanic Central Attack: magnificent Left Side Attack: formidable |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I'm not following this too well . . . do they mean that they have a page where the HRF files are accesible and would only be supportive of applications that only grab the HRF files or do they mean they would only be supportive of applications that processes the HRF files (fetching it is your business)? |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Chicago
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I think daedalus has an excellent idea, regarding us all posting our own team ratings. This would certainly save FrogMan a good deal of work, and would take each of us a negligible amount of time.
Instead of using a seperate thread, we could simply post the ratings within the thread for the ratings themselves, editing the old posts as daedalus mentioned.
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The first, I think. There is a supporter option to download the .hrf file directly. I interpret their message as saying this is the only automated access they would allow to their site. I agree with us all maintaining our own team ratings.
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Hey guys, your ideas to have every team copy their match rating could be useful. I think it would be easier to track if we used a new thread for posting the game ratings every week. I mean if every player goes in the main thread and simply edits his old ratings, replacing them with new ones, how would I knwo who had the discipline to do it and who didn't do it??
I/we still have two more weeks before the next league game, so I'll think about a way of doing it that could cut down on my "hunting" time. Also, we would need some kind of deadline, at which I would have to start my hunting. I mean it's almost certain we won't have everybody posting their weekly game ratings, so I wouldn't want to wait until Thursday before I start working on the weekly rankings. Later, FrogMan
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Nev and everyone, you've all already done that, simply by accepting and discussing the ratings like you have so far. I'm happy I could contribute to something I thought was missing from our little Hattrick community ![]() FrogMan. |
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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To answer that concern, the thing about having injured player dragging down your team ratings, I'm working on V2 ![]() For those curious, an example of the formula for the weighted average for this week would be: Code:
Where NSI(x) represents the number of NSI points for week x. That way the latest week will count the most, the second latest a little less and the week that was 3 weeks ago even less... Okay, algebra class dismissed ![]() Don't ask when I'll be done, I don't know. I'll do part of it tonight, maybe the rest tomorrow. FrogMan |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Troy, NY
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Maybe you could put the number of what place you're in to make it a little clearer where exactly teams rank?
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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It's in there somewhere, under the TW in the middle ![]() FrogMan |
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#41 |
College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: A negative place
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Hey, just saw this. In a word, Sweet!
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#42 |
Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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final version of week 18.14 rankings
okay, I'm done with the week 18.14 rankings. See the first post at the top.
I've hunt game rating for all 78 teams (we're down to 78 from 79, Atlanta Rohirrim lost his team 03/18) for the last 4 weeks of the season and I computed a weighted moving average for both this week (18.14) and last week (18.13). As explained before the latest week counts for triple it's value, the second closest for double its value and the third closest week for its single value. The whole sum is then divided by 6 to give an average. For week 18.13, the average is comprised of game ratings for weeks 18.11, 18.12, and 18.13. For week 18.14, the average is made with the ratings for weeks 18.12, 18.13, and 18.14. If a team has only two ratings, its average is made with double value the closest week, and single value of the second closest week. If a team has only one week of ratings, its average is simply that value. In the rankings, I've also added the rank as teh first column, to make it easier to see where you stand right now. I've added columns for your best rank ever (starting with week 18.13) and for your best rating average. The "+/-" column now has some use and it shows you if your team is moving up or down in the rankings (and by how many spots) and it shows you how many NSI points your teams has either won or lost. I've also added the FOFC member name and Hattrick ID. That way you know whose team it is and the team ID makes it easy to search for the team in Hattrick if you want to take a look at it. I know the formatting is still not too good, but I'm planning on setting up a barebones website where it'll look a little better. As always, your comments are welcome! Later, FrogMan. |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Well done, again!
The Morrisvillians vow to return to the top 10 again, very soon.
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Chicago
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On a slightly-related note...
The Screamin' Seamen will play host to the Gargoyles this coming Wednesday, in what is perhaps the most anticipated non-cup friendly match of the season. Since it is the off-season, both teams will likely field their starters, primarily. Should be fun, as the top two teams in the FOFC Ratings square off. Tickets are still available. ![]()
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#45 |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Raleigh, NC
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BUMP - mostly because this thread doesn't deserve to ever see page 2.
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Nev, it will, but only because the rankings for week 19-01 will have been posted ![]() About them NSI points. Did anyone see how accurate they were in predicting the outcome of tue different qualification matches played by FOFCer. By looking at the teams' NSI points for the last three games, we could see who was gonna contend and who was gonna have a rough time. Hamas Mad Bombers was neck and neck with his opponent in the ratings and he lost 4-3... See the thread in the General Discussion group. FrogMan |
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#47 |
Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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![]() another shameless bump to let you know that I've made the rankings into a quick html page that you can look at (easier to read than the present version) and another that you can download and print in PDF format. Here are the links:
Easy to print in PDF format FOFC Hattrick rankings on the web!!! As always, your comments are welcome! Later, FrogMan. |
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#48 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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VERY Nice!
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#49 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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Dola
Are you going to use the same page every week or will I have to goto another page? I ask this because it's now in my favorites. If you are going to use another page, will you have an index page of all the weeks and also a link to dacman's lists? |
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Hattrick Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada
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Man, I like your enthusiasm about the rankings ![]() This is sort of a temporary page (name 18-14.htm and 18-14.pdf so you see it week related). I plan on making a front page, very barebones, with a tiny top frame with links to past weeks and team performances. The bottom frame would be the current weekly rankings. You might have to adjust your bookmark in the future, but once I'll settle on a standard, I should stick to it. A link to dacman's lists could be possible... FrogMan |
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