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Old 06-24-2008, 03:14 AM   #1
SirFozzie
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(poker) The one time you want to count your money when you're sittin at the table..

Watching the WSOP $1500 replay on ESPN360.

All in and a call.

AJ vs 22

Flop: J52
Turn: J
River: 9

(The 2's turn a full house and win the pot, beating AJ's three J's)

They don't count the money, just ship it over to the winner, and the AJ player stands up, shakes everyone's hand and leaves, smiling. He turned $1500 into $58K. Not a bad day's work.

However, the ESPN360 folks note a few hands later.. HIS DAY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OVER YET! The AJ Player had about 70K in chips more then the 22 player when the hand started.

Once a hand had been played however, the move becomes well, un-undoable. The 22 player gets a bonus of 70K in chips, and the AJ player can't do anything to fix the error.

Now, it was probable that he wasn't going to be able to come back from being down at 70K, the next lowest was at 500K, but what's that saw about all you need is a chip and a chair?

So when you're playing your next brick and mortar poker tournament, make sure they count the chips when you lose an all-in hand.
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Old 06-24-2008, 05:57 AM   #2
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Ouch... isn't that the dealer's job to count the chips?
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Old 06-24-2008, 06:15 AM   #3
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Ouch... isn't that the dealer's job to count the chips?

it was, but since that guy is probably fired, it isnt his job anymore.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:22 AM   #4
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Ouch... isn't that the dealer's job to count the chips?

He's probably an ESPN analyst now.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:39 AM   #5
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Bad job by the dealer, but how, as a player, do you not know who at the table you have covered and who has you covered? Thats like a baseball player forgetting what order you run the bases in.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:41 AM   #6
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My only guess is it could have been an online player who isn't accustomed to having chips physically in front of him and in the heat of the moment lost track of his actual count.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:45 AM   #7
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Even as an online player, cronin has a point - you should always know what you are at and what (roughly) everyone else is at - most especially if you are going all-in against someone else. I sure as hell would want to know if I cover him or not. Sure, the dealer is supposed to catch that, but this is more on the player IMO.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:51 AM   #8
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the whole thing has me confused.

It is stricly against the rules for one player to give anothe player chips, so I don't see how the other player was allowed to keep the other 70K, I know if I was another player at the table I would raise hell.

I am guessing the player took off and that 70K was actualy blinded off the following hands.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:07 PM   #9
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From the sound of it, the player with 22 got the $70K because no one noticed the mistake.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:11 PM   #10
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the whole thing has me confused.

It is stricly against the rules for one player to give anothe player chips, so I don't see how the other player was allowed to keep the other 70K, I know if I was another player at the table I would raise hell.

I am guessing the player took off and that 70K was actualy blinded off the following hands.


I guess the dealer failed to count the chips and just shipped all the loser's chips off to the winner.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:52 PM   #11
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I honestly cannot imagine a serious poker event where, especially this deep, with this sort of stack involved, at least three or four of the players at the table would totally flip out before seeing the chips shoved without a count. I call bullshit on the narrative.

Maybe the AJ guy steamed off and got blinded down (the proper way to handle this) and the ESPN coverage just shorthanded it... but under no circumstance would (a) the dealer just give the other player the extra chips, nor (b) the table stand for that sort of blunder.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:54 PM   #12
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Bad job by the dealer, but how, as a player, do you not know who at the table you have covered and who has you covered? Thats like a baseball player forgetting what order you run the bases in.

You ask. Repeatedly. Over and over until it annoys the shit out of the other players and then you ask some more.
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:57 PM   #13
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You ask. Repeatedly. Over and over until it annoys the shit out of the other players and then you ask some more.

Well, yes. That's how I play, and I have only played in really little tournaments.
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