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Nine Inch Nails releases Internet album
I didn't see this elsewhere, but given the conversation regarding the method Radiohead used on its most recent album, thought this might interest some of you:
Trent Reznor, the man behind the rock group Nine Inch Nails, continued his foray into self-distribution by releasing a 36-track instrumental album over the Internet. The album, Ghosts I-IV, went on sale Sunday on NIN.com, the band's Web site, and was available in a varying range of price packages. Reznor is giving away the first nine songs of the album for free. The entire album in a digital version is available for $5. Nine Inch Nails' fans can order separate disc-sets of the album (with varying bonus materials and merchandise) from $10 to $300. |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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The entire model for this album, including the free version that he personally uploaded to piratebay, is pretty much exactly what the "music should be free" crowd has been loudly demanding for years. (Which probably means they'll have to change their loud demands now.)
From an e-marketing perspective, he's got the right idea here -- give it away free to the people who weren't going to pay anyways, charge the regular fans a low but reasonable price, and try to get the hardcore fans to pay big bucks for something exclusive. We'll see if it works. (The album itself is pretty good, but as an intrumental I think it will be a pretty niche offering as opposed to the semi-mainstream appeal his recent work has had.) Reznor recently produced a Saul Williams album that was offered either for free or for $5, it was up to the downloader. It turned out that 80% of the people who downloaded chose "free", so the album didn't end up doing well financially. He was pretty vocal about his dissapointment with that ratio, so it will be fun to see if this one works out any better.
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this is a great model, and is paving the way for the demise of record labels (or ushering in their demise quicker, as 50 years from now or sooner there won't be any record labels).
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Cool - thanks for posting this..definitely worth $5...
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Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com |
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Got this yesterday. Haven't had the chance/been in the mood to listen to it yet, but I'm sure it's worth it.
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Reznor couldn't pay me to download one of his albums.
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No doubt he'll be crushed to hear this.
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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One week in, the good news is that they sold out the limited edition $300 version in three days.
The bad news (which may not be so bad depending on your view) is that the even though the full album only costs $5, it's still the most "shared" album on BitTorrent right now. Some of those people may end up paying and some would have never bought anything in the first place, but it does make the common claims that "We'd be buying if you weren't overcharging us" sound sort of suspect. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03..._gift_spurned/
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people are so cheap.
what this shows is music isn't worth much to people, and it certainly isn't worth as much as record companies are used to charging. record companies and society in general may just have to come to grips that the world doesn't value music as much as it used to, there's too many other forms of entertainment and regardless of what people say there's just too many people who don't want to pay for something they can get for free. |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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What made the Radiohead thing so successful is that it was billed as a radical and new distribution method, but in reality, all they did was control the leak of their album that was going to inevitably happen. They wouldn't have done that if they weren't going to follow it up with a proper, physical CD release a few months later. The comparison is apples to oranges. Reznor is selling the album as a download at the same time it's being released on CD. There's no ramp-up, no "leak," just a sale. And I think we all realize that in digital form, music simply has very little value. Radiohead was only content to offer people the ability to pay for the leak because they knew it was essentially a money-making opportunity to cash in on the dead time between leak and the CD release. Anything they made was $1 more than they would have made otherwise. But it was never intended to be a replacement for the physical CD sales. It was profiteering on damage control, basically.
Blame the industry's inability to transition to a new model quickly after Napster's demise, or the fact that music sharing has always occurred, and with new technology, this was inevitable, but whatever you believe, the fact is, once you place music in digital form, it loses its value to consumers. It's freely tradeable, and you don't even have to see it or hold it. It's not like taking a CD out of a store. It's like trading stocks - you may buy and then sell a piece of a company, but you don't necessarily think of it in those terms because it's not something you can touch or hold in the interim, it's just a transaction in cyberspace. It has an ethereal quality to it, even though it's real. Same thing with trading/stealing music. It sucks that he's put himself out there as a proponent of this and might end up getting burned, but the end result was largely obvious. Sites like Weedshare tried something very similar to this a few years ago and went out of business. The fact is, no one has to pay for an MP3 if they don't want to. We all know that people will take the easiest route to get what they want, and technology just makes it that much easier. People would walk out of stores with all the CDs they could carry, too, if the doors were wide open and no one was watching.
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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I will be trying the $10 option. Get to download the digital version, and get CDs.
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The full (physical) CD actually doesn't come out until next month, so it's not everything coming out at once.
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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Is it an in-store release, or mail-order through the internet?
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Good question. I'd assumed it would only be online but I'm not sure I've seen that stated anywhere.
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Reznor released "Ghosts I – IV" online on March 2. The two-hour collection of 36 untitled instrumental tracks was made available in various high-quality DRM-free formats at different price levels. According to a press statement, a total of 781,917 copies of the project were transacted at NIN.com in the first week of release, including paid and free downloads, plus pre-orders for physical editions of the set. The total gross earned was reported as $1,619,420.
By contrast, the top-selling CD on the Billboard album chart this week, a new record from country star Alan Jackson, sold 119,000 copies. Reznor's announcement of the sales figures was in contrast to RADIOHEAD, who did not release sales figures for their "pay-what-you-want" digital version of their latest effort, "In Rainbows". Reznor will not, however, release traditional sales figures to SoundScan, which provides numbers for the Billboard chart. The expensive "ultra-deluxe" limited edition of "Ghosts I - IV" sold out almost instantly despite a steep $300 price tag. A digital version is available for five dollars, along with a $75 limited edition "deluxe" package. A $10 double CD version and a $39 vinyl edition will be available at U.S. retail on April 8.
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Seems like a success?
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New album up on nin.com this morning called "the slip" - and it's free.
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$1,619,420 made and not having any kind of distribution or manufacturing cost seems a good success to me as it's almost pure profit.
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Anyone planning on trying to see them on this next tour? Most tickets go on pre-sale May 7th and on sale May 10th.
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They are coming here, but no.
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Not a bad album on the first listen. Nothing in there that really grabbed me, but worth the listening time and the price was right.
Not sure how long Trent can keep up this pace. By my count that's three albums in a year, pretty odd from a guy who used to take five years between full albums. You have to wonder if it's starting to wear on him. I can't quite put my finger on but there's something sort of odd about the latest video:
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Heh, I saw that video on their site the other day. And yea, it really is kind of strange. Thing is, back then when he was taking five years between albums, he was recovering from a heroin addiction and just in a very, very bad place. All the interviews I've seen lately, he's just a middle-aged guy who is really enjoying what he's doing. I think he'll eventually slow down but right now, it seems that he's loving it and I wouldn't doubt seeing another album come out after this next tour. |
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what's so weird about the video? i just thought it was in keeping with the "do-it-yourself" kinda low-frills vibe he's got going on with releasing his music on his own and not having a slick, ultra packaged and mainstreamed product distributed via a corporate channel. that is, if i was to make my own music and put it out myself, i'd be making my own silly videos to go along with it.
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I don't think it's their real video...
On their site it said "Our stage production for the upcoming tour has been leaked on the internet, so we'll give you a sneak peak.."something along those lines. Didn't say it was their video or anything, seems like a joke to me. |
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This article is a month old, but I hadn't seen it before. Interesting breakdown of the Radiohead approach vs what NIN is doing.
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/m...znor_radiohead
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Great concert last night over here.
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Nope, Winnipeg. We were at the side a bit, so I don't think we got the full effect of the three screens. But it still looked cool.
The opening act (Crystal Castles) had a strobe light on the stage pointed right at my section, and it was so trippy. |
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They cancelled their Ottawa show at the last minute in 2006, and aren't coming back through this time.
I hate this town.
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I have to say that even from the side view, they had a really cool thing for one of the songs where it looked like Trent had a giant beat machine on the screen, and there was a tempo marker that glided across the beat, playing drums/bass/whatever wherever Reznor marked that it should. So he changed teh beat a few times before settling on the beat for the song. Looked really, really cool.
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Saw that in one of the videos. Looks insanely expensive ![]() Also, I was listening to an interview last night. Sounds like he's trying to put together some sort of TV show for Year Zero backstory stuff. If that doesn't work, he said a graphic novel of some kind could show up. |
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Just got back from seeing NIN at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia. It was absolutely unreal. The production was incredible.
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Saw them earlier this year when they played Edmonton...some of the things they did with those digital effects screens were incredible. Really, really good show, too, as Trent seems to have become more comfortable performing than he was when he was high as a kite. |
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Woooo....show tomorrow in Atlantic City. Small venue, should be pretty different then when I saw them in Philly. Already saw them at this venue and it was awesome.
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Oh btw...excellent article on how they pulled off the crazy production on this tour.
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You're killing me... they're in town here next week and I didn't get tickets because I couldn't find anyone who wanted to go.
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I'll go ML.
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Interesting...
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Hell yea.
Couple news items: Year Zero TV show on HBO possibly happening... Amphitheater tour next year could be the last... Trent hinted at a small "gift" that will be ready soon... |
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I think a second part of The Slip was coming out soon? Is that the gift?
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A Year Zero sequel and/or TV show would kick ass.
I'm still a little disappointed that the game just ended. Sounds like Trent has a real ending in mind, he just needs something to work it into.
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Game?
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The online game with the web sites, hidden messages in songs, etc.
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Oh yeah, before Year Zero came out right?
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Before, and during. It went on for several months, but then it just "went dark". There was talk of a part two, which hasn't happened yet.
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Leave it to a NIN-alumni to take the whole thing to another level...
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