Favre to Retire...

JimmyWint · 03-04-2008, 08:33 AM

Source-Foxsports.com

Too bad his last pass was an interception. One of the top 5 ever in my opinion. One more Super Bowl would have helped though!

Lathum · 03-04-2008, 08:37 AM

Such a shame but at least he went out with a nice season.

Butter · 03-04-2008, 08:40 AM

I'll believe it when the Packers take the field in week 1 and they have a new QB. Until then, we've been down this road many, many times before.

BrianD · 03-04-2008, 08:41 AM

Sad way to start the day...

Jas_lov · 03-04-2008, 08:55 AM

It is certainly a sad day. It's always sad when one of the all time greats hangs them up. I'm gonna miss Favre scrambling and flinging the ball around erratically. He definitely was fun to watch and he put the Packers in the hunt almost every year he was there. I think he's definitely somewhere between 5-10 all time. I don't know if I'd put him in the top 5 though. I hope Aaron Rogers can be decent next year as the Packers have a very solid, young team and there's no reason they can't make the playoffs next year.

Anthony · 03-04-2008, 08:58 AM

this was the best time to retire. only thing that could've happened was he had a really horrible season and that's what woul've been people's lasting memory of him.

Dr. Sak · 03-04-2008, 08:59 AM

Somewhere John Madden is crying...

Capital · 03-04-2008, 09:07 AM

Sad and a bit surprising to see Favre retiring after the great last season he and the Packers had. Funny thing is that I thought Favre would have retired a few years ago but I had changed my mind for next year.

Anthony · 03-04-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bsak16

Somewhere John Madden is crying...

unless Favre joins him in the booth....then it'd be nirvana for him.

Coffee Warlord · 03-04-2008, 09:11 AM

And now the Packers are in worse QB shape than the Bears. Tee hee.

Tell you what, I laughed with glee every time Favre got mauled, but I do respect the guy. One helluva player and competitor.

PilotMan · 03-04-2008, 09:16 AM

Just my guess, but with Moss signing yesterday, it appears that some of the pundits had it correct that if the Pack couldn't land him or at least one more weapon that he would hang it up. It is curious that this comes so soon on Moss' signing.

molson · 03-04-2008, 09:17 AM

It looks like Moss re-signing with the Pats was the "last straw", Mortenson says that Favre was going to commit to 2 more years if they could bring him in.

sachmo71 · 03-04-2008, 09:18 AM

But they could have had Donte STallworth!

PilotMan · 03-04-2008, 09:19 AM

GOTCHA

Crim · 03-04-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

unless Favre joins him in the booth....then it'd be nirvana for him.

That'd be one hella ugly sausage fest.

Kodos · 03-04-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And now the Packers are in worse QB shape than the Bears. Tee hee.

I'm pretty sure I'd take Rodgers over anyone on the Bears right now. At least we aren't SURE that Rodgers sucks.

korme · 03-04-2008, 09:41 AM

I think John Clayton or somebody said yesterday that Favre was probbaly going to play more than 1 season still!

I guess I'll remember the day Brett Favre retired pretty easily.

Lathum · 03-04-2008, 09:41 AM

If Rodgers does suck Derek anderson should be available next yead

WSUCougar · 03-04-2008, 09:43 AM

Wow.

Pity he couldn't get something akin to a farewell tour around the league. I can't recall another player being so popular with everyone league-wide.

He's my personal all-time team QB. And I grew up a Vikings fan!

Jas_lov · 03-04-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm pretty sure I'd take Rodgers over anyone on the Bears right now. At least we aren't SURE that Rodgers sucks.

Even Rex Grossman? LOL! He's just a delusional Bears Fan. Rodgers should be ready. He's only been sitting on the bench for 3 years. Whether or not he'll be any good does remain to be seen. We already know Grossman sucks. And it's not like Rodgers is inheriting the Miami Dolphins here. The Packers have a solid defense, a good running game, good WRs and TE. Who in the Packers division is that much better than a Favre-less Packers team, if any? Exactly.

Schmidty · 03-04-2008, 09:49 AM

I'm a Favre hater, so this news makes me happy.

Crim · 03-04-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm a Favre hater, so this news makes me happy.

Lathum · 03-04-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm a Favre hater, so this news makes me happy.

How can you possibly hate Favre?

Do you hate kittens also?
Ice cream?

JimmyWint · 03-04-2008, 09:57 AM

Statement from Ted Thompson on packers.com...

Brett Favre has informed us of his intention to retire from the Green Bay Packers and the NFL. He has had one of the greatest careers in the history of the National Football League, and he is able to walk away from the game on his own terms - not many players are able to do that.

The Packers owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude. He has given Packers fans 16 years of wonderful memories, a Super Bowl championship among them, that will live on forever. Brett's many accomplishments on the field are legendary. He leaves the game holding virtually every career passing record, plus his consecutive starts streak, which may never be duplicated.

The uniqueness of Brett Favre - his personality, charisma and love of the game - undoubtedly will leave him as one of the enduring figures in NFL history.

I guess that makes it official.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-04-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

How can you possibly hate Favre?

Do you hate kittens also?
Ice cream?

While I don't hate Favre, I can see where Schmidty is coming from as a Lions fan. You can't help but be a little bitter at the man after all those years of him kicking the Lions in the teeth. Given Schmidty's penahce for bitterness, I can see how it'd turn into hatred for the man, especially given all the media love/fawning he receives.

As a Lions fan, I am glad to see him go, though I fully expect Aaron Rodgers to light up the Lions for years to come...

Jas_lov · 03-04-2008, 10:00 AM

I think he's a Lions fan and as we all know, Favre dominated the Lions during his career. Maybe he's hoping that the Lions will actually be good this year and might be able to defeat the Favre-less Packers. But many of us know that's not gonna happen, Favre or no Favre. The Lions will finish in the cellar of the NFC North once again.

Coffee Warlord · 03-04-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm pretty sure I'd take Rodgers over anyone on the Bears right now. At least we aren't SURE that Rodgers sucks.

The offense presently consists of Devin Hester on returns and Gould kicking field goals. We don't really need a QB, therefore, better shape.

Dr. Sak · 03-04-2008, 10:04 AM

The Bears need to draft Darren McFadden and adopt the Wildhog formation.

Schmidty · 03-04-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

How can you possibly hate Favre?

Do you hate kittens also?
Ice cream?

I've always hated him. When I watch sports, I watch as a fan of my teams, first and foremost. Favre was the enemy, especially being within the same division as the Lions. Even when he's not playing against the Lions, I root against him.

I also hated Michael Jordan, George Brett, Mario Lemieux, etc... I'm not into hero worship on an individual level.

Passacaglia · 03-04-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

I think he's a Lions fan and as we all know, Favre dominated the Lions during his career. Maybe he's hoping that the Lions will actually be good this year and might be able to defeat the Favre-less Packers. But many of us know that's not gonna happen, Favre or no Favre. The Lions will finish in the cellar of the NFC North once again.

Favre actually had a reputation of struggling in the Silverdome for a while.

Surtt · 03-04-2008, 10:14 AM

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I've written before that I like Favre and the way that he played, but the media's nauseating treatment of him made it impossible to enjoy his accomplishments -- the record number of touchdowns, interceptions, and consecutive starts -- at face value. Really, I'm just glad that the annual off-season circus of speculation over. Let the Aaron Rodgers era begin.

from With Leather

I think this sums up how I feel exactly.
If he would have never become the NFL poster boy, I would still like him.
We still get to look forward to 3-5 years of Greatest Quarterback Eveh!!!
Then maybe he can fade away.

This is not a comment about Favre, it is about what the NFL has become.

Pumpy Tudors · 03-04-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

How can you possibly hate Favre?

Do you hate kittens also?
Ice cream?

I actually do hate ice cream.

Lathum · 03-04-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I actually do hate ice cream.

we weren't talking about you

EagleFan · 03-04-2008, 10:23 AM

Not sure I would say top 5 all-time for Favre. He had his moments but he could also be a bottom 5 QB with many of his throw it up for grabs interceptions.

I would put Montana, Marino, Stalbauch (sp?, but does it really matter if I mispell a Cowgirl QB), Bradshaw, Elway and Brady ahead of him and that's just off the top of my head.

Pumpy Tudors · 03-04-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

we weren't talking about you

What if I said I hate Brett Favre?

cthomer5000 · 03-04-2008, 10:34 AM

I agree that I wouldn't say Top 5, but definitely an all-time great and first-ballot hall of famer.

As much as hearing it from John Madden late in his career drained my enjoyment of it - It was actually nice to see someone who so clearly enjoyed actually playing, particularly early in his career.

The Brett Favre-Warren Sapp playoff encounters were a lot of fun. And the 3-way Cowboys/49ers/Packers playoff meetings are for me the best stretch fo NFL postseson I've ever personally witnessed. There was like a 5 year span where some combination of those teams met in the conference championship game, and they were all great.

Arles · 03-04-2008, 10:35 AM

I'm definitely sad to see him go. But, he had a very good final season and I think it's time for us (as Packer fans) to start transitioning forward. I'd like to see what Rodgers can do (and maybe sign a vet backup), but the strength of this team is the RB, WR, defense and special teams. This isn't like it would have been if Brett would have retired three years ago when we had nothing but Favre and scrubs.

Arles · 03-04-2008, 10:38 AM

dola, it was reported in GB that the Packers were told by Brett last week that this would be his decision. So, the Moss thing doesn't seem to have impacted it.

Crim · 03-04-2008, 10:40 AM

Why would a Lions fan hate Brett Farve? That's like getting buggered by two platoons of gorillas, and saying afterward, "Geez that one gorilla who came back for seconds was a real sonofabitch."

In fact, other than Matt Millen, I can't fathom how a Lions fan can hate any individual with any particular vitriol. It's not as if at any point in 16 years Brett Farve was the one man keeping the Lions from winning a championship, right?

I can see why Cowboys fans would hate Bradshaw or Montana, why Browns fans would hate Elway, even why Packers fans would hate Aikman maybe, but Lions fans oughtta just hate the Lions. Or maybe hate the NFL.

EagleFan · 03-04-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

dola, it was reported in GB that the Packers were told by Brett last week that this would be his decision. So, the Moss thing doesn't seem to have impacted it.

That's the "official" version at least...

Dr. Sak · 03-04-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Crim

Why would a Lions fan hate Brett Farve? That's like getting buggered by two platoons of gorillas, and saying afterward, "Geez that one gorilla who came back for seconds was a real sonofabitch."

In fact, other than Matt Millen, I can't fathom how a Lions fan can hate any individual with any particular vitriol. It's not as if at any point in 16 years Brett Farve was the one man keeping the Lions from winning a championship, right?

I can see why Cowboys fans would hate Bradshaw or Montana, why Browns fans would hate Elway, even why Packers fans would hate Aikman maybe, but Lions fans oughtta just hate the Lions. Or maybe hate the NFL.

Is it okay for everyone to hate Terrell Owens?

Crim · 03-04-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

And the 3-way Cowboys/49ers/Packers playoff meetings are for me the best stretch fo NFL postseson I've ever personally witnessed. There was like a 5 year span where some combination of those teams met in the conference championship game, and they were all great.

+1, cthomer. During that time frame, even the regular season matchups were so freakin enormous, because you could pretty much pencil in the winner of the round robin as the NFC Championship Game home team.

Crim · 03-04-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bsak16

Is it okay for everyone to hate Terrell Owens?

No, bsak16, it's not just "okay", it's required.

cthomer5000 · 03-04-2008, 10:46 AM

Just to make sure my memory wasn't exaggerating, i looked it up:

So in a 6 year span, The Cowboys had 4 title game appearances, the 49ers 4, the Packers 3, and the Panthers (1) being the only other team to even come close to reaching the superbowl.

This doesn't even include the wildcard or divisional round matchups that i know also occured in there (Desmond Howard running wild on the 49ers at Lambeau springs to mind).

Schmidty · 03-04-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Crim

Why would a Lions fan hate Brett Farve? That's like getting buggered by two platoons of gorillas, and saying afterward, "Geez that one gorilla who came back for seconds was a real sonofabitch."

In fact, other than Matt Millen, I can't fathom how a Lions fan can hate any individual with any particular vitriol. It's not as if at any point in 16 years Brett Farve was the one man keeping the Lions from winning a championship, right?

I can see why Cowboys fans would hate Bradshaw or Montana, why Browns fans would hate Elway, even why Packers fans would hate Aikman maybe, but Lions fans oughtta just hate the Lions. Or maybe hate the NFL.

I think it's pretty funny how annoyed people get when I tell them that I don't like Favre. It's like I'm insulting their boyfriend or something.

And you're right about the Lions. I do hate them. But I love them, if you know what I mean. Insult them all you want. They deserve it.

And Favre still sucks.

Radii · 03-04-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I agree that I wouldn't say Top 5, but definitely an all-time great and first-ballot hall of famer.

As much as hearing it from John Madden late in his career drained my enjoyment of it - It was actually nice to see someone who so clearly enjoyed actually playing, particularly early in his career.

The Brett Favre-Warren Sapp playoff encounters were a lot of fun. And the 3-way Cowboys/49ers/Packers playoff meetings are for me the best stretch fo NFL postseson I've ever personally witnessed. There was like a 5 year span where some combination of those teams met in the conference championship game, and they were all great.

+1 to all of that

Dr. Sak · 03-04-2008, 10:50 AM

It's okay Schmidty. I know exactly where you are coming from.

Fonzie · 03-04-2008, 10:54 AM

This news makes me quite sad.

Most accounts of this story are quoting Favre's agent Bus Cook as saying that Favre's decision was influenced by a seemingly lukewarm attitude toward his return from Thompson & McCarthy. They reportedly weren't trying to push him out the door, but they also weren't trying to talk him out of retiring. Here's the quote I found from JSOnline's story:

"It's my opinion," Cook said of the Packers' lack of interest. "I know he wants to play one more year. I do not know much conversation there was (between Favre and the Packers) and I don't think anyone forced him to make that decision. But I don't know that anyone tried to talk him out of it."
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If true it makes me at least understand his decision a bit better. I thought Favre was a lock to return this year, given how well the team performed last year and the dramatically improved receiver corps he has to work with. But if he didn't get the feeling that the team really wanted him back then why go through that pain and drudgery of another NFL season (amplified by being yet another year older)?

Kodos · 03-04-2008, 10:54 AM

When you've had such QB luminaries like Scott Mitchell and Joey Harrington, it's easy to look down upon a hack like Brett Favre.

Arles · 03-04-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

That's the "official" version at least...

Looks like Mort is now backing this up:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276034

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In his voice mail message to Mortensen on Tuesday, Favre said the Packers' lack of pursuit of Moss was not the driving reason why he retired.

"This is not about the Packers and who they got or who they didn't get. I get along fine with [Thompson] and I get along great with [McCarthy]. Do I agree with them all the time? No. But the bottom line is, none of that stuff affected my decision," Favre said.

But even if it did play a role, I don't understand how Driver+Jennings+James Jones is bad, but Moss+Driver+Jennings is great. If having a small upgrade of Moss over Driver is all it would take to have him comeback, why is he retiring? I mean, GB had one of the best WR corps in football last season when you look at YAC and drops.

03-04-2008, 08:40 AM	#3
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I'll believe it when the Packers take the field in week 1 and they have a new QB. Until then, we've been down this road many, many times before. __________________ My listening habits

03-04-2008, 09:11 AM	#10
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	And now the Packers are in worse QB shape than the Bears. Tee hee. Tell you what, I laughed with glee every time Favre got mauled, but I do respect the guy. One helluva player and competitor. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 03-04-2008 at 09:12 AM.

03-04-2008, 09:16 AM	#11
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Just my guess, but with Moss signing yesterday, it appears that some of the pundits had it correct that if the Pack couldn't land him or at least one more weapon that he would hang it up. It is curious that this comes so soon on Moss' signing. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

03-04-2008, 09:19 AM	#14
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	GOTCHA __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

03-04-2008, 09:43 AM	#19
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Wow. Pity he couldn't get something akin to a farewell tour around the league. I can't recall another player being so popular with everyone league-wide. He's my personal all-time team QB. And I grew up a Vikings fan! __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

03-04-2008, 08:37 AM	#2
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Such a shame but at least he went out with a nice season.

03-04-2008, 08:41 AM	#4
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Sad way to start the day...

03-04-2008, 08:55 AM	#5
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	It is certainly a sad day. It's always sad when one of the all time greats hangs them up. I'm gonna miss Favre scrambling and flinging the ball around erratically. He definitely was fun to watch and he put the Packers in the hunt almost every year he was there. I think he's definitely somewhere between 5-10 all time. I don't know if I'd put him in the top 5 though. I hope Aaron Rogers can be decent next year as the Packers have a very solid, young team and there's no reason they can't make the playoffs next year.

03-04-2008, 08:58 AM	#6
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	this was the best time to retire. only thing that could've happened was he had a really horrible season and that's what woul've been people's lasting memory of him.

03-04-2008, 08:59 AM	#7
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Somewhere John Madden is crying...

03-04-2008, 09:07 AM	#8
Capital High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000	Sad and a bit surprising to see Favre retiring after the great last season he and the Packers had. Funny thing is that I thought Favre would have retired a few years ago but I had changed my mind for next year.

03-04-2008, 09:17 AM	#12
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It looks like Moss re-signing with the Pats was the "last straw", Mortenson says that Favre was going to commit to 2 more years if they could bring him in.

03-04-2008, 09:18 AM	#13
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	But they could have had Donte STallworth!

03-04-2008, 09:41 AM	#17
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I think John Clayton or somebody said yesterday that Favre was probbaly going to play more than 1 season still! I guess I'll remember the day Brett Favre retired pretty easily.

03-04-2008, 09:49 AM	#21
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I'm a Favre hater, so this news makes me happy. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-04-2008, 09:57 AM	#24
JimmyWint Mascot Join Date: Oct 2003	Statement from Ted Thompson on packers.com... Brett Favre has informed us of his intention to retire from the Green Bay Packers and the NFL. He has had one of the greatest careers in the history of the National Football League, and he is able to walk away from the game on his own terms - not many players are able to do that. The Packers owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude. He has given Packers fans 16 years of wonderful memories, a Super Bowl championship among them, that will live on forever. Brett's many accomplishments on the field are legendary. He leaves the game holding virtually every career passing record, plus his consecutive starts streak, which may never be duplicated. The uniqueness of Brett Favre - his personality, charisma and love of the game - undoubtedly will leave him as one of the enduring figures in NFL history. I guess that makes it official.

03-04-2008, 10:00 AM	#26
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I think he's a Lions fan and as we all know, Favre dominated the Lions during his career. Maybe he's hoping that the Lions will actually be good this year and might be able to defeat the Favre-less Packers. But many of us know that's not gonna happen, Favre or no Favre. The Lions will finish in the cellar of the NFC North once again.

03-04-2008, 10:04 AM	#28
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	The Bears need to draft Darren McFadden and adopt the Wildhog formation. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 03-04-2008 at 10:11 AM.

03-04-2008, 10:23 AM	#34
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Not sure I would say top 5 all-time for Favre. He had his moments but he could also be a bottom 5 QB with many of his throw it up for grabs interceptions. I would put Montana, Marino, Stalbauch (sp?, but does it really matter if I mispell a Cowgirl QB), Bradshaw, Elway and Brady ahead of him and that's just off the top of my head.

03-04-2008, 10:35 AM	#37
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I'm definitely sad to see him go. But, he had a very good final season and I think it's time for us (as Packer fans) to start transitioning forward. I'd like to see what Rodgers can do (and maybe sign a vet backup), but the strength of this team is the RB, WR, defense and special teams. This isn't like it would have been if Brett would have retired three years ago when we had nothing but Favre and scrubs. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-04-2008, 10:38 AM	#38
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	dola, it was reported in GB that the Packers were told by Brett last week that this would be his decision. So, the Moss thing doesn't seem to have impacted it. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-04-2008, 10:50 AM	#47
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	It's okay Schmidty. I know exactly where you are coming from.

03-04-2008, 10:54 AM	#48
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	This news makes me quite sad. Most accounts of this story are quoting Favre's agent Bus Cook as saying that Favre's decision was influenced by a seemingly lukewarm attitude toward his return from Thompson & McCarthy. They reportedly weren't trying to push him out the door, but they also weren't trying to talk him out of retiring. Here's the quote I found from JSOnline's story: "It's my opinion," Cook said of the Packers' lack of interest. "I know he wants to play one more year. I do not know much conversation there was (between Favre and the Packers) and I don't think anyone forced him to make that decision. But I don't know that anyone tried to talk him out of it." -------------- If true it makes me at least understand his decision a bit better. I thought Favre was a lock to return this year, given how well the team performed last year and the dramatically improved receiver corps he has to work with. But if he didn't get the feeling that the team really wanted him back then why go through that pain and drudgery of another NFL season (amplified by being yet another year older)?

03-04-2008, 10:54 AM	#49
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	When you've had such QB luminaries like Scott Mitchell and Joey Harrington, it's easy to look down upon a hack like Brett Favre. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

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