If you had the top overall pick, would you take....? (Deion Sanders)

[Abe Sargent]

Hello! This is a poll to determine if you would take a player with the top pick, if you knew what he would do. Or, would you rather take the top rated rookie. You cannot trade down.

The people of FOFC rejected Dorsey Levens and Jeff Hostetler, but were split 50/50 on Herman Moore. Let's move from the offensive glamour positions to defense.

This poll is simple. Knowing what his career would do, would you take Deion Sanders?

His picks are solid, but not amazing. He's a good returner. He was banged up a lot. His tackling was questionable, but he had a fierce reputation, so players would throw away from him.

Knowing how he'd turn out, would you take Deion with the top overall pick? Or would you rather roll the dice with random top rated rookie?

[Warhammer]

Poll?

[MikeVic]

I would definitely take Deion. I know he sponsors that hot dog cooker in the future, and that's all I need.

Plus I liked him as a player a lot.

[Anthony]

prime time, baby.

[TroyF]

In a tenth of a second.

[stevew]

Sanders was the 5th pick already, so this isn't a stretch. Although HOFers(or future ones) Barry Sanders, Troy Aikman and Derek Thomas were selected in front of him. I guess since I would know prime time wasn't a bust, and not know about Aikman or Barry, then I'd take Deion. But it's really hard to not take barry, knowing he was just coming off of a 2500+ yard senior season.

[SteveMax58]

Yes. Anytime you have a player that can be left on the other team's best WR without any help, it allows you to focus and repurpose players towards other areas of the offense that you do not excel at stopping.

Was he perfect? No. Could he tackle? Barely. But to guarentee me a shutdown corner/KR & PR playmaker...absolutely.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by stevew

Sanders was the 5th pick already, so this isn't a stretch. Although HOFers(or future ones) Barry Sanders, Troy Aikman and Derek Thomas were selected in front of him. I guess since I would know prime time wasn't a bust, and not know about Aikman or Barry, then I'd take Deion. But it's really hard to not take barry, knowing he was just coming off of a 2500+ yard senior season.

It's not the random top rookie that season, just the random top rated rookie in general.

[Surtt]

Does this include knowing he will leave for free agency as soon as he can or does it assume he will play his entire career for the team that drafts him?

[rkmsuf]

Can he still dump water on McCarver?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Surtt

Does this include knowing he will leave for free agency as soon as he can or does it assume he will play his entire career for the team that drafts him?

If you pay him the money, he'll stay, but he wants it.

[Noop]

Deion makes your defense a whole lot better. He pretty much shuts down his side of the field freeing up your safety to do what he wants...

[Fidatelo]

This poll was the equivalent of my "you must choose between a random number falling in the range of 1 to 100, or pick a known number" question, except the known number was a 96.

[JAG]

Would I take a Hall of Fame CB with return and WR ability or a random top #1 overall rookie? I'd go with the safe bet here.

[14ers]

I don't understand who else is in the draft?

Is Peyton Manning or John Elway availabe in this draft? Are you using Deon's draft class? Is it this years draft?

So, I will take both Manning and Elway long before Deon.

Besides Mandarich, Deon was luck to go at 5 in his own draft class. I wouldn't even put Deon in the same class as Sanders, Thomas, or Aikman.

[MikeVic]

I don't think these rules are that hard to follow!!

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't think these rules are that hard to follow!!

I thought Deion was retired?!?!?!?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I thought Deion was retired?!?!?!?

He's so old now, I'd rather take LT in a draft!

[14ers]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't think these rules are that hard to follow!!

How can someone say who should go #1 overall without knowing who #2, #3, #4, or #5 are?

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by 14ers

How can someone say who should go #1 overall without knowing who #2, #3, #4, or #5 are?

You just say it. It's not that hard.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by 14ers

How can someone say who should go #1 overall without knowing who #2, #3, #4, or #5 are?

I think that's part of the point. If you know what kind of career Deion will have, and you had the 1.1 pick in a draft that Deion comes out in (but the rest of the draft class doesn't necessarily have to be Deion's actual draft class)... would you take Deion at 1.1, or would you take someone who you have no idea what his career will turn out to be. You could end up taking a RB that turns in Barry Sanders or you could end up taking a RB that turns into Ki-Jana Carter.

[jbergey22]

I wouldnt even consider this one. If primetime is there I take him. The best cover corner in history and one of the best punt returners in history as well. I think Deion could have been the first pick that particular he was drafted except it was such a talented draft.

[Jas_lov]

Since I have the top overall pick, I would definitely take Barry Sanders over Deion.

[Vince]

Holy crap people, are you really this dense?

The idea of this (and the rest of the threads like it) are that YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE OTHER ROOKIES ARE GOING TO BE. So imagine you KNOW Deion Sanders is going to be great, and the rest of the people are the draft class from 2015 or something.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Vince

Holy crap people, are you really this dense?

The idea of this (and the rest of the threads like it) are that YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE OTHER ROOKIES ARE GOING TO BE. So imagine you KNOW Deion Sanders is going to be great, and the rest of the people are the draft class from 2015 or something.

I think I explained it more elegantly.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I think I explained it more elegantly.

Well, it wasn't working

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Vince

Well, it wasn't working

Yeah your explanation is more to the point.

[rkmsuf]

If Hart Lee Dykes hadn't been injured no way Deion could cover him.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Yeah your explanation is more to the point.

More a commentary on the people reading and replying to the thread than to your explanation (which I thought was fairly clear-cut).

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Vince

Holy crap people, are you really this dense?

The idea of this (and the rest of the threads like it) are that YOU DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE OTHER ROOKIES ARE GOING TO BE. So imagine you KNOW Deion Sanders is going to be great, and the rest of the people are the draft class from 2015 or something.

Got it now. So I'll take the sure thing and switch my vote to Deion Sanders.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Got it now. So I'll take the sure thing and switch my vote to Deion Sanders.

How can you take Deion over Sanders though?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

If Hart Lee Dykes hadn't been injured no way Deion could cover him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Lee_Dykes

Originally Posted by wikipedia

...because of an eye injury which occurred during a bar room fight with Irving Fryar in 1990.

Tell me more about this guy please.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

How can you take Deion over Sanders though?

I don't think you're understanding the rules. You absolutely 100% know that Deion Sanders will be a great player. But you have no clue what the other players in the draft will do. There is no Barry Sanders in this draft. Well, there might be, but you don't know that.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Lee_Dykes



Tell me more about this guy please.

that's about the entire story

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

I don't think you're understanding the rules. You absolutely 100% know that Deion Sanders will be a great player. But you have no clue what the other players in the draft will do. There is no Barry Sanders in this draft. Well, there might be, but you don't know that.

but barry sanders is in the draft. presumably we've done scouting.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

I don't think you're understanding the rules. You absolutely 100% know that Deion Sanders will be a great player. But you have no clue what the other players in the draft will do. There is no Barry Sanders in this draft. Well, there might be, but you don't know that.

I'd imagine he is being sarcastic. I would hope he has caught on by now

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

but barry sanders is in the draft. presumably we've done scouting.

That was my initial thought as well. That's why I took Barry. But I guess we have to assume that we haven't done any scouting on the other players and that we only know about Deion Sanders.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

That was my initial thought as well. That's why I took Barry. But I guess we have to assume that we haven't done any scouting on the other players and that we only know about Deion Sanders.

well I don't see how we would get to make the #1 pick and not do any scouting. that's cooky talk.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I'd imagine he is being sarcastic. I would hope he has caught on by now

I think so as well. It's really not that hard to figure out!

[rkmsuf]

blimey

[Vince]

Yeah, rkmsuf was the last person I was worried about when I put up my message

[14ers]

But you have no clue what the other players in the draft will do

Who is this GM you hired? Rodney Dangerfield?

Last year was he a 7th grade girls soccer coach that had no time for college football?

You announced that the team was going to take a week off for the NFL combine, so your new GM went to Cabo to catch some rays. At a press confrence your new GM announced that he believes the key to winning in the NFL is good starting pitching. When asked if your defeense was going to be a 4-3 or 3-4, your GM said "No, No, we are going to play 5 on 5 this year".

Do you have any combine numbers on this draft class?

How random does our 1st pick have to be if we do not take Deon? Can we at least tell you what position we want to draft?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

You could end up taking a RB that turns in Barry Sanders or you could end up taking a RB that turns into Ki-Jana Carter.

If it would be Deion's draft class, it would actually be Barry Sanders.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by stevew

If it would be Deion's draft class, it would actually be Barry Sanders.

whoa

[Carman Bulldog]

Question:

Would he be trying that baseball shit or would his sole focus be on football?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by 14ers

Who is this GM you hired? Rodney Dangerfield?

Last year was he a 7th grade girls soccer coach that had no time for college football?

You announced that the team was going to take a week off for the NFL combine, so your new GM went to Cabo to catch some rays. At a press confrence your new GM announced that he believes the key to winning in the NFL is good starting pitching. When asked if your defeense was going to be a 4-3 or 3-4, your GM said "No, No, we are going to play 5 on 5 this year".

Do you have any combine numbers on this draft class?

How random does our 1st pick have to be if we do not take Deon? Can we at least tell you what position we want to draft?

Dammit, it doesn't have to be this complicated.

[14ers]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Dammit, it doesn't have to be this complicated.

I know.

But still, in a lot of drafts you see one or two players that just grab you as can't miss.

This year I would take Deon over #1 over everyone.
Last year I would have taken Calvin Johnson over Deon.
2006 would have been Reggie Bush all the way.
2005 Deon Sanders
2004 Deon Sanders
2003 CB Terence Newman KSU
2002 Julius Peppers
2001 Leonard Davis
2000 Deon Sanders


Sorry, but sometimes there are players, barring injury, that are Can't miss players. Now, if you are going to play GOD and guarantee that Deon NEVER, EVER gets injured then most GMs are going to select Deon everytime.

[MalcPow]

Here's how I like to think of it. Would you take Deion or one of the following selected completely at random?

2007 1 1(1) JAMARCUS RUSSELL QB LSU 
2006 1 1(1) MARIO WILLIAMS DE NORTH CAROLINA ST 
2005 1 1(1) ALEX SMITH QB UTAH 
2004 1 1(1) ELI MANNING QB MISSISSIPPI 
2003 1 1(1) CARSON PALMER QB USC 
2002 1 1(1) DAVID CARR QB FRESNO STATE 
2001 1 1(1) MICHAEL VICK QB VIRGINIA TECH 
2000 1 1(1) COURTNEY BROWN DE PENN STATE 
1999 1 1(1) TIM COUCH QB KENTUCKY 
1998 1 1(1) PEYTON MANNING QB TENNESSEE 
1997 1 1(1) ORLANDO PACE OT OHIO STATE 
1996 1 1(1) KEYSHAWN JOHNSON WR USC 
1995 1 1(1) KI-JANA CARTER RB PENN STATE 
1994 1 1(1) DAN WILKINSON DT OHIO STATE 
1993 1 1(1) DREW BLEDSOE QB WASHINGTON STATE 
1992 1 1(1) STEVE EMTMAN DT WASHINGTON 
1991 1 1(1) RUSSELL MARYLAND DT MIAMI (FLA.) 
1990 1 1(1) JEFF GEORGE QB ILLINOIS 

I'd take Deion. But only because Jeff George is retired and I saw him recently and he looked totally washed up. So I wouldn't want him. Dude had like questionable hygeine even. I think Deion is still showering??? I know we haven't done any scouting but do we know that at least??

[korme]

Guaranteed one of the best cover corners of all-time? Count me in.

A good one I would suggest is Terrell Davis. He had a very good, and very short career. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

[Fidatelo]

As has been discussed, RB's are dime-a-dozen. You could slap your grandma behind a good zone-blocking scheme and get 1000 yards. TD was good, but he's not 1.1 good.

I'm not sure I'd take any back 1.1, even Tomlinson, Smith, or Sanders. I've gotta think I'd rather have some beast of an OL, QB, or defensive player.