Sean Taylor Thread, Mk II

SirFozzie · 11-27-2007, 12:27 PM

I deleted the first thread, because it had devolved into a racism/religion/homophobia flame war. Not FOFC's finest day, by a long shot.

Apparently this is more and more looking like a targeted killing, with the note that when the house had been broken into 8 days previously, a knife had been left on Taylor's bed.. and that the land line phone line to Taylor's house had been deliberately cut, which delayed emergency response (Taylor's fiancee called 911 via cell phone)

Fighter of Foo · 11-27-2007, 12:31 PM

Well that's not cool. Lock the freaking thing but don't delete it.

rkmsuf · 11-27-2007, 12:32 PM

people lost posts!

SirFozzie · 11-27-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

Well that's not cool. Lock the freaking thing but don't delete it.

would if I could, but I can't so I didn't :P

molson · 11-27-2007, 12:35 PM

So this one will just be two pages of generic comments about what a great guy he was? The old one was more interesting.

Lorena · 11-27-2007, 12:35 PM

Oh good I only lost 2 posts

Fighter of Foo · 11-27-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

would if I could, but I can't so I didn't :P

That needs to get fixed.

larrymcg421 · 11-27-2007, 12:37 PM

I actually thought there was an interesting religious discussion going on that wasn't a flamewar. Too bad that's gone now.

SirFozzie · 11-27-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

So this one will just be two pages of generic comments about what a great guy he was? The old one was more interesting.

Interesting in a train wreck kinda way.. one of those slow motion ones, with two trains carrying napalm?

If the admins want to undelete it, go ahead.. It's amazing how many people just decided to let loose their biases in the thread. I'd think that the phrases "judge not, lest ye be judged", and "Don't speak ill of the dead" apply.

st.cronin · 11-27-2007, 12:38 PM

Some threads should be deleted, that was one of them.

RIP, Sean Taylor

rkmsuf · 11-27-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Interesting in a train wreck kinda way.. one of those slow motion ones, with two trains carrying napalm?

If the admins want to undelete it, go ahead.. It's amazing how many people just decided to let loose their biases in the thread. I'd think that the phrases "judge not, lest ye be judged", and "Don't speak ill of the dead" apply.

so what

they still have those bias, big deal.

Crapshoot · 11-27-2007, 12:41 PM

Deleting a thread is just bush league, IMO - I expect that from PSU, not from Foz.

Maple Leafs · 11-27-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I actually thought there was an interesting religious discussion going on that wasn't a flamewar.

Speaking as someone who wasn't taking part in the discussion: no, it really wasn't.

SirFozzie · 11-27-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Deleting a thread is just bush league, IMO - I expect that from PSU, not from Foz.

I consider the "discussion" in that thread to be bush league.. especially with how it ended. Someone throwing the race card down with "Yes, it's those uppity black people's fault" when talking about the recent incidents was just the final straw.

EDIT: Yes, I know, whoever it was was being majorly sarcastic, but still.. come on people.

Maple Leafs · 11-27-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'd think that the phrases "judge not, lest ye be judged", and "Don't speak ill of the dead" apply.

There are bigger social/sports issues involved here and I think it's valid to comment on them, even though not all the information is available. There has to be a certain level of respect and decency and some people crossed that line, but it's not realistic to post something like this on a discussion forum and not expect some level of discussion.

molson · 11-27-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Interesting in a train wreck kinda way.. one of those slow motion ones, with two trains carrying napalm?

That'd be interesting.

When you delete someone's posts you're giving them legitamacy in a way, since you're choosing that over responding to them with logic and reason.

I think there was potentially some interesting things going on there (the prior evils and hip-hop culture in sports rather than the religion/homosexual stuff).

We're just a message board, we really don't effect the incident in any way whatsoever. "Sorry to hear that" posts aren't any more helpful than controversial posts are damaging. We're not his friends or family.

larrymcg421 · 11-27-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Speaking as someone who wasn't taking part in the discussion: no, it really wasn't.

I'm not talking about the discussion about gays.

miami_fan · 11-27-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

So this one will just be two pages of generic comments about what a great guy he was? The old one was more interesting.

If it bothers you so much, start the "Sean Taylor was a terrible guy" thread so that side gets fair and balanced coverage

molson · 11-27-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

EDIT: Yes, I know, whoever it was was being majorly sarcastic, but still.. come on people.

It was sarcastic, but I don't get the "but still" - it was sarcastic, that poster didn't mean that, period. It was in reponse to a perception that someone else was bringing up the race card, when they mentioned the hip-hop culture in pro sports. Which is a very relevant discussion, and one that has been covered here before.

Crapshoot · 11-27-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I consider the "discussion" in that thread to be bush league.. especially with how it ended. Someone throwing the race card down with "Yes, it's those uppity black people's fault" when talking about the recent incidents was just the final straw.

EDIT: Yes, I know, whoever it was was being majorly sarcastic, but still.. come on people.

Yeah, that was me. I'm not a fan of "code words" that whoever I was responding to (Gstlemack?) was using - he should have had the courage of his convictions.

rkmsuf · 11-27-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Yeah, that was me. I'm not a fan of "code words" that whoever I was responding to (Gstlemack?) was using - have the courage of your convictions.

yeah but without the code words you get deleted

SnDvls · 11-27-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Some threads should be deleted, that was one of them.

RIP, Sean Taylor

I agree I just caught parts of the last page and decided to stay away from it as it was totally taking a wrong turn.

SirFozzie · 11-27-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I agree I just caught parts of the last page and decided to stay away from it as it was totally taking a wrong turn.

Exactly. As I said, if the mods want to undelete it, or undelete/lock it, go ahead. Just I expected.. well... better.

PilotMan · 11-27-2007, 12:57 PM

I didn't read the first one, but deal with it and move on. It's Foz's choice, it's done. Certainly there is a bigger issue to deal with then whether or not it should have been deleted.

and no. I don't have anything to add except to feel sorrow for the sadness that his family will feel everyday without him.

Subby · 11-27-2007, 12:57 PM

Sean Taylor was my favorite football player on my favorite football team and I cried in my car on the way to work when I heard the news that he had passed away.

That's about as honest and non-generic as I can be about the whole tragedy.

gstelmack · 11-27-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Yeah, that was me. I'm not a fan of "code words" that whoever I was responding to (Gstlemack?) was using - he should have had the courage of his convictions.

Oh, come on. I was NOT playing the race card, not by a long shot. It's been a LONG time since I was under the illusion that gangsta hip-hop was part of a particular race's culture, wherever it may have got its start or whoever may try to lay claim to it. Eminem alone was enough to cure me of any bias I may have had that way, but you've also got the South and Central American gangs working their way in and other aspects to it. What phrase should I be using for the violent gang-based no-longer-inner-city under-society or whatever that is glorifying violence, packing heat, promoting dogfighting, and generally working to destroy our society from within so that I can make it clear I don't think it's a race-based issue at all?

rkmsuf · 11-27-2007, 12:59 PM

I'm amused that the solution to being disappointed in the other thread was to delete it and start another thread on the same topic.

Super Ugly · 11-27-2007, 01:00 PM

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So this one will just be two pages of generic comments about what a great guy he was? The old one was more interesting.

Well, here's one such generic comment. RIP. What a senseless waste of life. The guy was an exciting football player to watch.

Galaxy · 11-27-2007, 01:01 PM

I got a feeling this thread isn't going to be much better.

Pumpy Tudors · 11-27-2007, 01:02 PM

Are we sure that the song wasn't done by Akon?

MikeVic · 11-27-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Are we sure that the song wasn't done by Akon?

Hey man, wrong thread.

gstelmack · 11-27-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I got a feeling this thread isn't going to be much better.

I really don't want to turn it into some war and will try to avoid taking it much beyond my post above, but I'd like at least some chance to explain the comment and defend myself if I'm going to get called a racist. My post in that thread was the last thing I saw in there, and I'm sorry an honest attempt to discuss society's ills, which likely contributed to the death being talked about, was pulled down the race road, as that was NOT my intent.

Pumpy Tudors · 11-27-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Hey man, wrong thread.

Every thread is the right thread for Akon.

ISiddiqui · 11-27-2007, 01:07 PM

Does someone need his edit button taken away?

st.cronin · 11-27-2007, 01:07 PM

Tangent: When I first heard Akon on the radio, I thought the DJ said "that song was by A Clown."

rkmsuf · 11-27-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Tangent: When I first heard Akon on the radio, I thought the DJ said "that song was by A Clown."

so black people are clowns. nice.

MikeVic · 11-27-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Every thread is the right thread for Akon.

Whoooooo Hoooooooo!!! Yeeeeeeeeee Hooooooooo!

MikeVic · 11-27-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

so black people are clowns. nice.

What a racist.

SnDvls · 11-27-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I'm amused that the solution to being disappointed in the other thread was to delete it and start another thread on the same topic.

just pretend it was a WW thread and no one lost post that don't count anyhow.

Izulde · 11-27-2007, 01:36 PM

While I could see justification for it being locked... deleted? Tsk, tsk.

Atocep · 11-27-2007, 01:43 PM

Definitely not one of FOFC's better days.

RIP Sean Taylor.

Post counts and religious beliefs shouldn't overshadow the fact that a 24 year old father died violently after being attacked in his own home and he leaves a young daughter behind.

korme · 11-27-2007, 01:51 PM

New thread

MORE OF THE SAME SHIT

larrymcg421 · 11-27-2007, 01:51 PM

Definitely the lowest FOFC moment since this thread...

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=48226

astrosfan64 · 11-27-2007, 01:51 PM

Does anyone know of the motive for the killing?

rkmsuf · 11-27-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Definitely the lowest FOFC moment since this thread...

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=48226

I'm still amazed she would log on and pick virtual flowers.

molson · 11-27-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Definitely the lowest FOFC moment since this thread...

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=48226

I still find that funny.

sabotai · 11-27-2007, 01:59 PM

The other thread turned into a heated, controversial thread on gays, race and religion. This thread has turned into a discussion about Akon.

Surely the latter is more offensive.

astrosfan64 · 11-27-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

The other thread turned into a heated, controversial thread on gays, race and religion. This thread has turned into a discussion about Akon.

Surely the latter is more offensive.

I missed the other thread. But, could someone tell me how gays factored into a discussion about Sean Taylor at all? That seems to be completely out of scope.

Pumpy Tudors · 11-27-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by astrosfan64

I missed the other thread. But, could someone tell me how gays factored into a discussion about Sean Taylor at all? That seems to be completely out of scope.

Sean Taylor -> football player -> death -> Reggie White -> the word "homophobe" -> gays

astrosfan64 · 11-27-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Sean Taylor -> football player -> death -> Reggie White -> the word "homophobe" -> gays

Thanks, I'm glad I missed it. It sounds like that thread was overrated.

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