cartman's FOFC College Football Top 25 Poll, open for voting, games of Oct. 6th

[cartman]

Hello all,

Sorry I didn't get this started yesterday. I was out of town, and didn't get home until 10:30 last night.

Exports are due in by 7pm Central on Wednesday, Oct. 10th.

Here's how last week's Top 25 fared:

Team			Rec.	Weekend Result
1. LSU 			6-0	beat #10 Florida 28-24
2. USC 			4-1	lost to Stanford 24-23
3. California		5-0	Bye
4. Ohio State		6-0	beat #20 Purdue 23-7
5. South Florida	5-0	beat Florida Atlantic 35-23
6. Boston College	6-0	beat Bowling Green 55-24
7. Wisconsin		5-1	lost to Illinois 31-26
8. Kentucky		5-1	lost to #15 South Carolina 38-23
9. Oklahoma		5-1	beat #19 Texas 28-21
10. Florida		4-2	lost to #1 LSU 28-24
11. Oregon		4-1	Bye
12. West Virginia	5-1	beat Syracuse 55-14
13. Arizona State	6-0	beat Washington State 23-20
14. Missouri		5-0	beat #22 Nebraska 41-6
15. South Carolina	5-1	beat #8 Kentucky 38-23
16. Georgia		4-2	lost to Tennessee 35-14
17. Cincinnati		6-0	beat #24 Rutgers 28-23
18. Hawaii		6-0	beat Utah State 52-37
19. Texas		4-2	lost to #9 Oklahoma 28-21
20. Purdue		5-1	lost to #4 Ohio State 23-7
21. Virginia Tech	5-1	beat #23 Clemson 41-23
22. Nebraska		4-2	lost to #14 Missouri 41-6
23. Clemson		4-2	lost to #21 Virginia Tech 41-23
T24. Rutgers		3-2	lost to #17 Cincinnati 28-23
T24. Kansas		5-0	beat Kansas State 30-24

[vex]

1) LSU
2) California
3) Ohio State
4) Boston College
5) Oklahoma
6) South Florida
7) South Carolina
8) West Virginia
9) Missouri
10) Arizona State
11) USC
12) Virginia Tech
13) Hawaii
14) Oregon
15) Wisconsin
16) Cincinnati
17) Illinois
18) Florida
19) Kansas
20) Florida State
21) Kentucky
22) Texas
23) Colorado
24) Purdue
25) Indiana

[duckman]

1. Louisiana State
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Boston College
5. Oklahoma
6. South Florida
7. South Carolina
8. Southern California
9. Oregon
10. West Virginia
11. Wisconsin
12. Arizona State
13. Missouri
14. Illinois
15. Florida
16. Hawaii
17. Kentucky
18. Cincinnati
19. Kansas
20. Virginia Tech
21. Texas
22. Florida State
23. Auburn
24. Texas Tech
25. Indiana

[Butter]

1. LSU (2)

2. Cal (3)

3. Ohio State (4)

4. Oregon (6)

5. Oklahoma (7)

6. South Florida (8)

7. South Carolina (14)

8. Boston College (9)

9. Missouri (15)

10. USC (1)

11. Cincinnati (12)

12. Arizona State (17)

13. Virginia Tech (22)

14. Hawaii (16)

15. Illinois (NR)

16. West Virginia (19)

17. Florida (5)

18. Kentucky (10)

19. Florida State (24)

20. Kansas (NR)

21. Auburn (NR)

22. Connecticut (NR)

23. Boise State (NR)

24. Tennessee (NR)

25. Wisconsin (11)

Dropped out: (13) Georgia, (18) Clemson, (20) Texas, (21) Purdue, (23) Kansas State, (25) Rutgers

[Dr. Sak]

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Boston College
5. Oklahoma
6. South Florida
7. West Virginia
8. USC
9. South Carolina
10. Oregon
11. Virginia Tech
12. Illinois
13. Missouri
14. Cincinnati
15. Florida
16. Kentucky
17. Wisconsin
18. Arizona State
19. Hawaii
20. Auburn
21. Virginia
22. Michigan
23. Kansas
24. Georgia
25. Texas

[mckerney]

1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Cal
4. South Carolina
5. Oklahoma
6. South Florida
7. West Virginia
8. Missouri
9. Oregon
10. Florida
11. Auburn
12. Southern Cal
13. Arizona State
14. Boston College
15. Cincinatti
16. Virginia Tech
17. Tennessee
18. Kentucky
19. Kansas
20. Florida State
21. Colorado
22. Illinois
23. Texas
24. Purdue
25. Georgia

[mckerney]

Football Frontier Rankings

1. Louisiana State
2. Ohio State
3. South Florida
4. Arizona State
5. California
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Illinois
9. Oregon
10. Auburn
11. Florida
12. Southern California
13. Boston College
14. Cincinnati
15. Oklahoma
16. Indiana
17. Florida State
18. South Carolina
19. Kansas
20. Kentucky
21. Boise State
22. Colorado
23. Connecticut
24. Georgia
25. Purdue

[Butter]

FF toned down the wackiness this week, I see.

[Huckleberry]

1. LSU
2. Ohio St.
3. South Florida
4. California
5. South Carolina
6. Kansas
7. Missouri
8. West Virginia
9. Cincinnati
10. Boston College
11. Oregon
12. Arizona St.
13. Auburn
14. Florida
15. Oklahoma
16. Southern Cal
17. Illinois
18. Virginia Tech
19. Kentucky
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida St.
22. Purdue
23. Tennessee
24. Alabama
25. Connecticut

[timmynausea]

1. LSU
2. California
3. South Florida
4. Ohio State
5. Boston College
6. Oklahoma
7. West Virginia
8. Oregon
9. South Carolina
10. Florida
11. Cincinnati
12. Missouri
13. USC
14. Auburn
15. Illinois
16. Arizona State
17. Kentucky
18. Wisconsin
19. Hawaii
20. Kansas
21. Virginia Tech
22. Tennessee
23. Boise State
24. Connecticut
25. Kansas State

[jbergey22]

1. Ohio St
2. LSU
3. California
4. S Florida
5. Oklahoma
6. South Carolina
7. Boston College
8. Oregon
9. W Virginia
10. Cincinnati
11. Florida
12. Missouri
13. Illinois
14. USC
15. Arizona St
16. Hawaii
17. Auburn
18. Kentucky
19. Wisconsin
20. Virginia Tech
21. Florida St
22. Purdue
23. Colorado
24. Boise St
25. Texas

[Young Drachma]

1. LSU (1)
2. Ohio State (3)
3. California (4)
4. Boston College (5)
5. South Florida (8)
6. Missouri (9)
7. Oregon (10)
8. West Virginia (11)
9. Arizona State (12)
10. USC (2)
11. Cincinnati (13)
12. Virginia Tech (14)
13. Hawaii (16)
14. Oklahoma (17)
15. South Carolina (21)
16. Kentucky (7)
17. Wisconsin (6)
18. Kansas (24)
19. Illinois (NR)
20. Wisconsin (6)
21. Boise State (NR)
22. Wyoming (NR)
23. Texas (19)
24. Colorado (NR)
25. Virginia (NR)

[st.cronin]

1.LSU (2)
2.South Florida (8)
3.Missouri (9)
4.Arizona State (5)
5.Ohio State (3)
6.Boston College (4)
7.Cincinatti (11)
8.South Carolina (15)
9.California (6)
10.Virginia Tech (21)
11.Kansas (14)
12.West Virginia (19)
13.Illinois (18)
14.Connecticut (13)
15.Hawaii (NR)
16.Purdue (12)
17.Kentucky (10)
18.Oregon (16)
19.Indiana (NR)
20.Wisconsin (7)
21.Southern Cal (1)
22.Oklahoma (22)
23.Wyoming (NR)
24.Virginia (NR)
25.Florida State (25)

Dropped out: Nebraska, Michigan State, Florida, Georgia

[Leonidas]

1. LSU
2. Cal
3. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma
5. Oregon
6. Boston College
7. Missouri
8. S. Florida
9. South Carolina
10. Southern Cal
11. Arizona State
12. Kansas
13. Virginia Tech
14. Florida
15. West Virginia
16. Illinois
17. Cincinnati
18. Kentucky
19. Wisconsin
20. Colorado
21. Florida State
22. Tennessee
23. Georgia
24. Purdue
25. Connecticut

[Noop]

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. South Florida
5. Boston College
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. Virgina Tech
9. West Virgina
10. Oklahoma
11. Missouri
12. USC
13. Arizona State
14. Florida State
15. Cincinnati
16. Illinois
17. Kentucky
18. Kansas
19. Hawaii
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida
22. Purdue
23. Indiana
24. Virgina
25. Texas

[duckman]

Noop, you have USC twice in your poll.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by duckman

Noop, you have USC twice in your poll.

Corrected. Thanks for the heads up.

[Mr. Snappy]

1. Louisiana State (1)

2. California (3)

3. Ohio State (4)

4. Oklahoma (5)

5. Boston College (8)

6. South Florida (7)

7. Oregon (9)

8. Southern California (2)

9. South Carolina (16)

10. Florida (6)

11. West Virginia (12)

12. Arizona State (13)

13. Virginia Tech (NR)

14. Missouri (21)

15. Illinois (18)

16. Cincinnati (20)

17. Florida State (22)

18. Kentucky (10)

19. Wisconsin (11)

20. Kansas (23)

21. Auburn (NR)

22. Indiana (NR)

23. Texas (19)

24. Hawaii (24)

25. Connecticut (NR)

Dropped out: Nebraska (14) Clemson (15) Georgia (17) Purdue (25)

[General Mike]

1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. California
4. Boston College
5. USC
6. South Florida
7. South Carolina
8. Oklahoma
9. West Virginia
10. Florida
11. Virginia Tech
12. Oregon
13. Missouri
14. Hawaii
15. Cincinnati
16. Wisconsin
17. Kentucky
18. Illinois
19. Arizona State
20. Penn State
21. Kansas
22. Georgia
23. Texas
24. Maryland
25. Connecticut
Dropping Out: Miami, Rutgers, Clemson. Purdue

[maxwarrior]

1. LSU
2. Ohio St
3. South Carolina
4. California
5. Oklahoma
6. Virginia Tech
7. Florida
8. Boston College
9. USC
10. South Florida
11. West Virginia
12. Missouri
13. Hawaii
14. Oregon
15. Cincinnati
16. Michigan
17. Alabama
18. Illinois
19. Wisconsin
20. Kansas
21. Texas
22. Purdue
23. Rutgers
24. Arizona St
25. Auburn

[Blade6119]

CFN Rankings

1. LSU (6-0)
2. Ohio State (6-0)
3. California (5-0)
4. Oklahoma (5-1)
5. Missouri (5-0)
6. South Florida (5-0)
7. Florida (4-2)
8. Arizona State (6-0)
9. Oregon (4-1)
10. USC (4-1)
11. Boston College (6-0)
12. Illinois (5-1)
13. South Carolina (5-1)
14. West Virginia (5-1)
15. Kansas (5-0)
16. Wisconsin (5-1)
17. Cincinnati (6-0)
18. Purdue (5-1)
19. Virginia Tech (5-1)
20. Auburn (4-2)
21. Florida State (4-1)
22. Kentucky (5-1)
23. Kansas State (3-2)
24. Texas (4-2)
25. Michigan (4-2)

[bronconick]

1. Louisiana State (2)
2. California (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Boston Collage (5)
5. South Florida (6)
6. Arizona State (9)
7. West Virginia (10)
8. Oregon (11)
9. Oklahoma (12)
10. South Carolina (17)
11. Hawai'i (14)
12. Cincinnati (15)
13. Southern Cal (1)
14. Missouri (23)
15. Kansas (24)
16. Illinois (NR)
17. Virginia Tech (NR)
18. Kentucky (8)
19. Wisconsin (7)
20. Florida State (NR)
21. Florida (13)
22. Connecticut (25)
23. Texas Tech (NR)
24. Virginia (NR)
25. Indiana (NR)

Dropped out: Purdue (16), Texas (18), Michigan State (19), Georgia (20), Clemson (21), Rutgers (22)

[CU Tiger]

1. LSU (1)
2. California (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Boston College (5)
5. Oklahoma (10)
6. USC (2)
7. South Carolina (11)
8. Florida (9)
9. South Florida (7)
10. WVU (13)
11. Oregon (17)
12. Hawaii (15)
13. Missouri (18)
14. Texas (14)
15. Kentucky (8)
16. Arkansas (19)
17. VT (NR)
18. Cincinnati (21)
19. Arizona State (23)
20. Illinois (NR)
21. Kansas (NR)
22. Wisconsin (6)
23. Virginia (NR)
24. FSU (24)
25. Nebraska (16)


Dropped Out
Georgia (12)
Clemson (20)
Purdue (22)
Miami, FL (25)

[TazFTW]

1. LSU (1)
2. Ohio State (4)
3. California (3)
4. Boston College (5)
5. South Florida (7)
6. Oklahoma (10)
7. West Virginia (9)
8. Missouri (13)
9. South Carolina (16)
10. Oregon (14)
11. USC (2)
12. Arizona State (17)
13. Virginia Tech (20)
14. Cincinnati (21)
15. Florida (12)
16. Hawaii (18)
17. Kentucky (8)
18. Illinois (NR)
19. Wisconsin (6)
20. Florida State (NR)
21. Kansas (NR)
22. Texas (15)
23. Auburn (NR)
24. Indiana (NR)
25. Georgia (11)

Dropped Out: Nebraska (19), Clemson (22), Purdue (23), UCLA (24), Rutgers (25)

[Eaglesfan27]

1. LSU (2)
2. Cal (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Boston College (6)
5. South Florida (7)
6. Missouri (9)
7. Arizona State (11)
8. USC (1)
9. Oklahoma (15)
10. Oregon (10)
11. South Carolina (17)
12. Hawaii (14)
13. West Virginia (18)
14. Kansas (19)
15. Virginia Tech (22)
16. Florida (16)
17. Wisconsin (5)
18. Kentucky (8)
19. Cincinatti (12)
20. Purdue (13)
21. Connecticut (21)
22. Texas (24)
23. Auburn (NR)
24. Indiana (NR)
25. Florida State (NR)


Dropped out: Nebraska, Rutgers.

[sooner333]

1. Louisiana State (2)
2. California (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Oklahoma (6)
5. Oregon (9)
6. Missouri (11)
7. South Florida (10)
8. Boston College (12)
9. West Virginia (13)
10. South Carolina (14)
11. Southern Cal (1)
12. Cincinnati (16)
13. Arizona State (17)
14. Florida (7)
15. Kentucky (5)
16. Kansas (25)
17. Illinois (NR)
18. Wisconsin (8)
19. Hawaii (19)
20. Florida State (23)
21. Virginia Tech (24)
22. Auburn (NR)
23. Texas Tech (NR)
24. Georgia (15)
25. Texas (18)

Dropped Out:
Purdue (20)
Rutgers (21)
Clemson (22)

[Huckleberry]

Goodness gracious the USC and OU homer votes are insane.

[cmp]

1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. California
4. Boston College
5. South Carolina
6. South Florida
7. Oregon
8. Missouri
9. Oklahoma
10. West Virginia
11. Arizona State
12. Florida
13. Cincinnati
14. Kentucky
15. Virginia Tech
16. USC
17. Hawaii
18. Kansas
19. Florida State
20. Illinois
21. Georgia
22. Auburn
23. Wisconsin
24. Texas
25. Michigan

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Goodness gracious the USC and OU homer votes are insane.

Yep, I also think people are putting Florida too high.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Goodness gracious the USC and OU homer votes are insane.

You are one to talk with Kansas in your top 6, and Cincy that high. I don't see how you can call anyone out with votes like those.

[cartman]

In the interests of disclosure, here are the last two lists. I realized as I was compiling the poll that these haven't been posted yet. Look for the poll to be released soon.

Here's SnDvls list that he PM'ed me before he left:

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Missouri
5. Boston College
6. South Florida
7. Oregon
8. USC
9. Oklahoma
10. Arizona State
11. USC
12. West Virginia
13. Cincinnati
14. Hawaii
15. Kansas
16. UConn
17. Virginia Tech
18. Florida State
19. Purdue
20. South Carolina
21. Illinois
22. Kentucky
23. Wisconsin
24. Auburn
25. Florida


And here's mine:
1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. Boston College
5. South Florida
6. South Carolina
7. West Virginia
8. Oklahoma
9. Oregon
10. Florida
11. Arizona State
12. Missouri
13. Virginia Tech
14. USC
15. Kentucky
16. Cincinnati
17. Hawaii
18. Wisconsin
19. Kansas
20. Texas Tech
21. Texas
22. Florida State
23. Connecticut
24. Georgia
25. Michigan

[st.cronin]

Cartman, SnDvls has USC twice.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Cartman, SnDvls has USC twice.

Yeah, my parser just caught that. I thought one might be South Carolina, but he has them at 20.

As I've done in the past, I'll remove the second listing, and move every other team up one, and #25 will be blank.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by bsak16

You are one to talk with Kansas in your top 6, and Cincy that high. I don't see how you can call anyone out with votes like those.

My bad. My entry was based on actual results this year not on name reputation. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

My bad. My entry was based on actual results this year not on name reputation. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

I have no problems with the way people vote. We all take different factors into it. I for one use my last week's poll as the starting point and move teams up and down based on wins. Then I look at the teams around them and think in my mind if they could beat the team in front and behind them.

Look at who Kansas has beaten...best team K-State. Cincy's best win is Rutgers. Yea sounds like top 10 material to me.

[sooner333]

it's good to have a poll with people voting on different factors. Mine is somewhat of a hybrid between on-field performance, who I think would win head to head, and then some kind of factor that parses out unimpressive teams, such as Wisconsin, who I don't think is really as good as others.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

My bad. My entry was based on actual results this year not on name reputation. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

So, you're saying that Kansas' unbeaten record of whitewashing 4 no-names and squeaking past K-State is more impressive than Missouri's wins over actual teams such as Illinois and Nebraska.

Please defend.

[Huckleberry]

To be honest, the Missouri/Kansas vote was very close. Could have gone either way. Kansas last week won on the road against a somewhat competent opponent. Missouri hasn't done that yet. If they can beat Oklahoma this week this would obviously put them past Kansas. By the way, don't call Nebraska an actual team. Unless by actual you're saying they're not a make-believe team. I can agree with that. But they're not a good football team.

bsak -

You just stated your process as one where you start with early season bias and move from there. That's fine. At least it's an ethos. But your question about Cincinnati is funny. What has Southern Cal done this year? [Mike Gundy]Idaho is garbage. Nebraska is garbage. Washington State is garbage. Washington is not very good. Stanford is garbage - whoops, lost that one.[/Mike Gundy]

sooner333 - Who has Oklahoma beaten this year? Miami isn't very good and Texas isn't very good. Oklahoma lost their only road game against a decent team. That's Top 4 material?

[nole4sho]

Originally Posted by Noop

1. LSU
2. California
3. Ohio State
4. South Florida
5. Boston College
6. South Carolina
7. Oregon
8. Virgina Tech
9. West Virgina
10. Oklahoma
11. Missouri
12. USC
13. Arizona State
14. Florida State
15. Cincinnati
16. Illinois
17. Kentucky
18. Kansas
19. Hawaii
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida
22. Purdue
23. Indiana
24. Virgina
25. Texas

Homer Alert!

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

bsak -

You just stated your process as one where you start with early season bias and move from there. That's fine. At least it's an ethos. But your question about Cincinnati is funny. What has Southern Cal done this year? [Mike Gundy]Idaho is garbage. Nebraska is garbage. Washington State is garbage. Washington is not very good. Stanford is garbage - whoops, lost that one.[/Mike Gundy]

I actually think Washington is pretty good. I've seem them play a few times and I don't think they are too bad.

Let's look at Cincy...Directional East Missour State, Oregon State (nice and convincing win saw the game), Miami (OH), Marshall, SDSU, Rutgers...

I think USC has a lot of talent. Call it bias or whatever but I beleve they are still one of the top 10-15 teams in the country, same with Florida even with 2 losses. When USC split the title in 2003, they lost a game to a 6 loss Cal team. Good teams slip up. If they are to lose to Cal, Oregon, or to another team they would drop like a rock IMO.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by sooner333

it's good to have a poll with people voting on different factors. Mine is somewhat of a hybrid between on-field performance, who I think would win head to head, and then some kind of factor that parses out unimpressive teams, such as Wisconsin, who I don't think is really as good as others.

Same here.

[st.cronin]

I start fresh each week, basically make a list of every team that could possibly be included, and think about how impressive their combination of wins and losses is.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

By the way, don't call Nebraska an actual team. Unless by actual you're saying they're not a make-believe team. I can agree with that. But they're not a good football team.

They would beat the crap out of whoever else Kansas has played.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

They would beat the crap out of whoever else Kansas has played.

Right now Kansas State is better than Nebraska. Kansas just won at Kansas State.

[CU Tiger]

For me I base my rankings on my feelings of the team not necessarily on their results.

Face it Florida probably hangs 50 on Cincinnatti or Kansas, I dont care that they have 2 losses.

[jbergey22]

Agreed! As would Oklahoma and that is how I vote. I try to favor teams with lesser losses but I mostly try to rank them in order of who would win the game in my opinion. There was no need for Huckleberry to call anyone out on who they voted for. I believe Oklahoma is ranked #6 in the API and until the loss to Colorado were right there with LSU as the most dominant looking team.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Right now Kansas State is better than Nebraska. Kansas just won at Kansas State.

OK. But what of MU's win over Illinois?

[Blade6119]

You wont reason with him on this...K-state beat his beloved Texas team, so he will overrate them and anyone who beats them.

[Butter]

No, he wants to criticize everyone else for their ratings, he needs to justify his own. Kansas at #6 is far more ridiculous than USC or OU in the top 10.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You wont reason with him on this...K-state beat his beloved Texas team, so he will overrate them and anyone who beats them.

Wow, that's funny. I overrate Kansas State so much that they're not in my Top 25.

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

No, he wants to criticize everyone else for their ratings, he needs to justify his own. Kansas at #6 is far more ridiculous than USC or OU in the top 10.

I did not criticize everyone for their ratings, I criticized the homer OU and USC votes. Blade made a rather pathetic attempt to accuse me of homerism in return, but that's just entertaining considering that I am one of the minority of voters that don't have Texas in their poll. To be honest, having Texas in the Top 25 right now is perhaps more ridiculous than the OU and USC votes. There is absolutely no justification for having Texas in the Top 25 aside from name recognition and previous years' performances. Those things should have no bearing on a Top 25 for this season.

As for the Missouri/Kansas thing, you stated that Nebraska would pound any of Kansas' opponents so far this year and I pointed out why that was probably not true. Now you've got another question you want me to address. While I recognize that you'll probably come up with a new question for longer than I'll be willing to continue this conversation, I will mention again that Missouri has not won a meaningful road game while Kansas has. Missouri's win over Illinois is certainly, on its face, a better win than any Kansas has had. But that was at a neutral site while Kansas has won on the road.

It seems to me that much of your criticism might be based on the assumption that my poll is like bsak's and so many other voters'. However, I do not simply move teams down based on losses. Just because Team A is behind Team B this week doesn't mean that they will be again next week even if both teams win. In fact, I can guarantee you that if Missouri beats Oklahoma tomorrow they will be ahead of Kansas in next week's poll, even assuming Kansas handles Baylor. They may move multiple spots ahead of Kansas. Kansas may drop after beating Baylor based on the performance of other teams they're currently ahead of. My entire poll may look completely different. As st.cronin does, I reevaluate the entire season each week.

I also attempt to weigh what a team has accomplished and the team's strength relatively evenly. In order to help with that I do use my computer ratings as an input as well as what my eyes tell me. My ratings produce multiple sets (like Sagarin's) that tell me different things. Thinking that I can consider the thousands of games in college football each year in total would be silly. That's what a computer is for. However, the computer only sees final scores, and can't watch the games. The computer says that Southern Cal shouldn't even be in the Top 25. But watching them play I can see that they do belong in the rankings and that they're unlikely to play as poorly overall and especially at the QB position as they did against Stanford. So the computer is just one of many inputs.

As for the different ratings types, Kansas has a high predictive value but not nearly as high a results value. Oklahoma is the same but at a lower level. Meanwhile, Missouri has a high results value for what they've accomplished but not nearly as high a predictive value. All of these things will become more clear as the season progresses. Teams will play only their seventh game this week and because of that rankings should be anything but static this early in the year. And I am not going to use previous seasons' results in a 2007 Top 25 poll. I am only going go off what the teams have done this year despite what I may think I know about them based on last year or previous years. Using that information only biases a poll for this year and results in things like Texas being in the rankings.