Big Brother 8 - Praise the Lord

[korme]

I am completely ready for Jameka and Amber to go.

[Jas_lov]

Amber should go this week as America will vote for her and Eric knows this so he'll push for her to go. Jameka seems to be safe for now only because she can't compete in HOH for another 2 weeks. I think Jessica made a mistake not backdooring Daniele this week and it may be her fatal blow because Jessica is one of the best players and also well liked among the jury so she'll definitely be targeted next week by Dick and Daniele who have a 50% chance at winning HOH on Thursday. Jameka will team up with Eric and Jess once Amber is gone so Dick and Daniele should recruit Zach immediately.

[Flasch186]

is this the crappy show that is on Showtime from, like Midnight to 6am, uncut in all its craptaculerness?

[sachmo71]

it's on cable now?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Showtime Too (I guess that's how they spell it) shows "Big Brother After Dark" from something like midnight to 3am ET every night. It's just a three-hour televised live feed each night, the same thing that subscribers can pay to see on the Internet 24/7. I don't even watch "Big Brother" at all, but I watched a little of the "After Dark" show one night when I was bored. I was hoping to see some boobies or something, but it didn't happen. Maybe I'd get more out of it if I actually watched the show regularly and knew who the people were.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Amber should go this week as America will vote for her and Eric knows this so he'll push for her to go. Jameka seems to be safe for now only because she can't compete in HOH for another 2 weeks. I think Jessica made a mistake not backdooring Daniele this week and it may be her fatal blow because Jessica is one of the best players and also well liked among the jury so she'll definitely be targeted next week by Dick and Daniele who have a 50% chance at winning HOH on Thursday. Jameka will team up with Eric and Jess once Amber is gone so Dick and Daniele should recruit Zach immediately.

I pretty much agree with that. I like Dick and Daniele but Jess/Eric is the stronger team and they might have blown their chance to get to the final 2 by not having Eric use the POV.

[BigMak]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

I pretty much agree with that. I like Dick and Daniele but Jess/Eric is the stronger team and they might have blown their chance to get to the final 2 by not having Eric use the POV.

Jess and Eric should have aligned with Zach and backdoored Danielle. I think that would have given them a big chance for the final 2.

[General Mike]

Because he is America's player, Eric is worthless to an alliance, but I guess the people in the house don't know that.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I do agree with the original poster. The 'God Alliance' is getting really old with their constant private statement where they openly wonder why God has forsaken them because a vote didn't go their way, only to praise God profusely when they survive for another week. My wife and I constantly say, "Uh oh, here comes another shout-out to God." The monastery music in the background while Jameika was crying and praying was pure comedy gold.

I think next year's twist should be that God lives in the house and has immunity every single week because, well, he's God. Also, none of the house guests can pray to God for help because he's now a competitor and looking out for himself.

[ArlingtonColt]

If Zak survives this week (and my gut says he will) He will be the difference maker in the house. He has done very well getting this far without having a "real" alliance (I don't count his 4 square dance with Kail, Mike and Nick)

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I do agree with the original poster. The 'God Alliance' is getting really old with their constant private statement where they openly wonder why God has forsaken them because a vote didn't go their way, only to praise God profusely when they survive for another week. My wife and I constantly say, "Uh oh, here comes another shout-out to God." The monastery music in the background while Jameika was crying and praying was pure comedy gold.

I think next year's twist should be that God lives in the house and has immunity every single week because, well, he's God. Also, none of the house guests can pray to God for help because he's now a competitor and looking out for himself.

This is one of the big reasons that the show needs to be recorded and watched later. Any time the church music comes on or Jameka or Amber are shown without being in the presence of someone else I know I can hit the FF button.

I like how now Eric is evil and has no soul because he didn't save Amber. Apparently her religion is a source of support when things are going her way and a weapon to be used against those in her way.

[Warhammer]

I agree with the previous posters that said that Eric should have put Danielle up. The fact that they are allowing Dick and Danielle to progress so far is nuts. Unless, you are playing to hook up with Jessica outside of the show which I would totally agree with him doing...

[stevew]

I have virtually no taste whatsoever in TV, and even I can't believe y'all watch this shit.

[Warhammer]

I typically abhor this crap, but this season I have been into it because the wife watches every episode and I can't stand Dick.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

I agree with the previous posters that said that Eric should have put Danielle up. The fact that they are allowing Dick and Danielle to progress so far is nuts. Unless, you are playing to hook up with Jessica outside of the show which I would totally agree with him doing...

Eric is at the mercy of America's player. Even if he had taken Amber off the block and put up Daniele, America would probably pick to evict Zach over Daniele. Dick would have evicted Zach, Jameka evicted Daniele and it's 2-1 Zach goes home and Dick/Daniele would definitely be gunning for Eric/Jess this Thursday. These are the things Eric has to take in to account so he figures his best shot to make the final 4 is to stay with the 3 people America likes the most, Dick, Jessica, and Daniele. Jessica probably just should have put them both up initially, but Eric has a lot of influence on her and that might be her downfall. So after further review, I guess Jessica backdooring Daniele couldn't have worked this week anyway, but she doesn't know that.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Eric is at the mercy of America's player. Even if he had taken Amber off the block and put up Daniele, America would probably pick to evict Zach over Daniele. Dick would have evicted Zach, Jameka evicted Daniele and it's 2-1 Zach goes home and Dick/Daniele would definitely be gunning for Eric/Jess this Thursday. These are the things Eric has to take in to account so he figures his best shot to make the final 4 is to stay with the 3 people America likes the most, Dick, Jessica, and Daniele. Jessica probably just should have put them both up initially, but Eric has a lot of influence on her and that might be her downfall. So after further review, I guess Jessica backdooring Daniele couldn't have worked this week anyway, but she doesn't know that.

But I didn't think Eric HAD to do what America wants him to do. I thought he would just get money if he did. It's in his interest to do so, but so close to the end, I would imagine that he should have enough leeway to actually play the game.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

I typically abhor this crap, but this season I have been into it because the wife watches every episode and I can't stand Dick.

After I get home from work, I can't hang out with my wife cause she's always watching garbage like this. The other day, I see she's DVR'ing Judge Judy!

sigh

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by stevew

After I get home from work, I can't hang out with my wife cause she's always watching garbage like this. The other day, I see she's DVR'ing Judge Judy!

sigh

Time to invest in a dual tuner DVR. Record one show while watching the other or record two shows at once. It's wonderful.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

But I didn't think Eric HAD to do what America wants him to do. I thought he would just get money if he did. It's in his interest to do so, but so close to the end, I would imagine that he should have enough leeway to actually play the game.

No, Eric MUST vote to evict whoever America votes to evict. Otherwise, why would he risk all of those strange votes earlier in the game that went against his alliance? I think he has to do what America says until the final 4 where he then can play his own game. The other tasks like getting someone nominated or kissing Jessica, Eric has to make a reasonable effort to complete.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Time to invest in a dual tuner DVR. Record one show while watching the other or record two shows at once. It's wonderful.

I have a dual tuner, but I only have one remote. I should say that I get home at 9pm from work.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by stevew

I have virtually no taste whatsoever in TV, and even I can't believe y'all watch this shit.

I won't try to speak for everyone, but I fully understand this show is crap...yet I watch it anyway. It is sort of like a live-action werewolf game...

[Capital]

I have not watched any of the BB until I got married last year. Guess what...my wife watches this show and I'm watching with her. Ironically, I kind have enjoy it...I don't what that says about me.

[korme]

So I DVRed the 3 hours on showtime last night. FF thru most of it, but Jameka and Amber talked to Jess for a long time by themselves. It was mostly Amber talking about how she "thinks" Eric has a secret alliance with Dick. She went from thinking all these things to talking about it so much that by the end of the hour she was convinced they were true, and that she feels bad but thinks Eric is using her. Jess was saying she sounded right, I don't know if this was an act or not.

I was like you dirty bitch, you're going to kill Eric's game with Jessica! We'll see if Jess bought it.

[Tyrith]

This season is awful. Completely, totally awful. And this show was bad before, even though I watched it anyway. But now, I just gave up.

[Logan]

I'm just pissed because this stupid aftershow crap removes one channel from the "potential landing spots to catch soft core porn" list.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

This season is awful. Completely, totally awful. And this show was bad before, even though I watched it anyway. But now, I just gave up.

Out of curiosity, what makes this season so much worse than others?

[thealmighty]

Anyone know how much $$$ Eric has made so far as America's Player?

[korme]

Originally Posted by thealmighty

Anyone know how much $$$ Eric has made so far as America's Player?

wiki says:

Out of 23 tasks so far Eric has completed 17, failed 5, and 1 pending, earning him a total of $30,000.

[Z²+]

The show really went downhill when they decided not to select me for seasons 4, 5, and 6.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm just pissed because this stupid aftershow crap removes one channel from the "potential landing spots to catch soft core porn" list.

lol now that IS criminal.

[korme]

First redeeming part of having BB After Dark on as background music:

Jameka keeps trying to describe these things in the HOH room, keeps saying "like dildo things," to Amber, while on the treadmill.

Amber looks at her blankly and goes "whats a dildo"

Jameka says like a penis, do you what I'm talking about?

Amber then responds by saying "I have such a bad memory because of all the drugs I did"

and now Jameka keeps asking her questions to keep her brain in shape I guess, "how many thermostats are in the house", "what color is the upstairs couch"

So retarded

[chrisj]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Eric is at the mercy of America's player. Even if he had taken Amber off the block and put up Daniele, America would probably pick to evict Zach over Daniele. Dick would have evicted Zach, Jameka evicted Daniele and it's 2-1 Zach goes home and Dick/Daniele would definitely be gunning for Eric/Jess this Thursday. These are the things Eric has to take in to account so he figures his best shot to make the final 4 is to stay with the 3 people America likes the most, Dick, Jessica, and Daniele. Jessica probably just should have put them both up initially, but Eric has a lot of influence on her and that might be her downfall. So after further review, I guess Jessica backdooring Daniele couldn't have worked this week anyway, but she doesn't know that.

Actually, it would have - you forgot that Amber could have voted then.

So Dick and Eric vote for Zach to go; Amber and Jameka vote for Daniele to go home. Jessica then gets to break the tie - and Daniele is gone.

The added benefit - for Eric - is he then gets to go to Jessica and try to play it up as if one of Amber voted for Zach (why would he? he used the veto to get Daniele out afterall!) and ensure that Jessica doesn't trust Amber further into the game.

Ahh, if only I was in Eric's role, I could win the money. Plus, I'd get to sleep with Jessica. That'd be more worth it then the money.

Really.

[Jas_lov]

Yeah, I took Amber off the block and forgot to include her vote so backdooring Daniele would have worked. Zach won HOH this week so that decision not to get rid of Daniele and take the deal with Zach might come back to haunt Eric and Jessica. Zach is closer with Daniele than anyone else in the house so I'm guessing he won't put her up. He doesn't like Jameka so she could go up, but it would probably be in his best interest to break up Eric/Jessica. Jess put him up last week and Eric didn't want to make a deal to save him with POV, so Zach can get some payback this week. He might put up Dick, but they seem to get along decently and with Eric gone, Zach could move in on Jessica. It's sad that Amber is gone, but at least now she can start her modeling career.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Yeah, I took Amber off the block and forgot to include her vote so backdooring Daniele would have worked. Zach won HOH this week so that decision not to get rid of Daniele and take the deal with Zach might come back to haunt Eric and Jessica. Zach is closer with Daniele than anyone else in the house so I'm guessing he won't put her up. He doesn't like Jameka so she could go up, but it would probably be in his best interest to break up Eric/Jessica. Jess put him up last week and Eric didn't want to make a deal to save him with POV, so Zach can get some payback this week. He might put up Dick, but they seem to get along decently and with Eric gone, Zach could move in on Jessica. It's sad that Amber is gone, but at least now she can start her modeling career.

[mgadfly]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Yeah, I took Amber off the block and forgot to include her vote so backdooring Daniele would have worked. Zach won HOH this week so that decision not to get rid of Daniele and take the deal with Zach might come back to haunt Eric and Jessica. Zach is closer with Daniele than anyone else in the house so I'm guessing he won't put her up. He doesn't like Jameka so she could go up, but it would probably be in his best interest to break up Eric/Jessica. Jess put him up last week and Eric didn't want to make a deal to save him with POV, so Zach can get some payback this week. He might put up Dick, but they seem to get along decently and with Eric gone, Zach could move in on Jessica. It's sad that Amber is gone, but at least now she can start her modeling career.

It still wouldn't have worked. Amber swore on her daughters life that she wouldn't vote to evict Danielle for the rest of the game when she was saved two weeks ago. The vote may have ended up 3-1 or even 4-0 if Amber convinced Jameka that Danielle wasn't going regardless.

[BrianD]

Not to be an ass, but I don't think it is common knowledge who won HOH this week. Those of us who don't get Showtime would have to wait until Sunday to figure this out.

[Jim G.]

Interesting that Amber was not made available for post-eviction interviews last night and today.

In the past, interviews were granted on the condition that reporters not discuss anything with a jury member that the interviewee didn't experience personally (like the America's Player twist, or a secret alliance).

Apparently, CBS was also telling reporters they could not ask Amber about the anti-Semitic remarks she made a few weeks ago, and the AP responded by refusing to participate. So CBS pulled the plug entirely, and Amber didn't go on the morning shows today.

Spoilers? I don't know. Weird situation in that it's not worth having two Big Brother items, but not being able to discuss the current HoH situation reduces the value of this item to people who are keeping current. At this point in the game, the Veto is worth more than HoH, though.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Jim G.

Spoilers? I don't know. Weird situation in that it's not worth having two Big Brother items, but not being able to discuss the current HoH situation reduces the value of this item to people who are keeping current. At this point in the game, the Veto is worth more than HoH, though.

Just saying that info could have been in a spoiler tag. I'd hate to disallow people from discussing it, but tags could protect those of us who will be seeing the contest unfold on Sunday. Not a huge deal since I don't really care THAT much about BB, but it would be nice to see the competition play out...

[korme]

Well Daniele doesn't user her POV so Jameka and Jess remain on the block for eviction this Thursday.

I have very strong doubts that Daniele and Dick are going to keep their promise of alliance with Eric and Jess and I think Jess is going home Thursday.

Also, there's a double eviction. It can't be as simple as it sounds; any ideas on how it will work?

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Well Daniele doesn't user her POV so Jameka and Jess remain on the block for eviction this Thursday.

I have very strong doubts that Daniele and Dick are going to keep their promise of alliance with Eric and Jess and I think Jess is going home Thursday.

Also, there's a double eviction. It can't be as simple as it sounds; any ideas on how it will work?

I also think Dick and Daniele will evict Jessica Thursday night. It's nothing personal, it's really the best strategy at this point. She's too strong a player and too well liked and if she won HOH next week, Dick and/or Daniele would be on the block next week. The best strategy is to take Zach to the final 3 with them.

This is my 1st season watching BB so i'm not sure how the double eviction usually works. My guess though would just be that the winner of the HOH challenge would nominate 2 people and they'd have a vote right there. I'd like to see Eric go as he is basically responsible for ending Jessica's game. She trusted and listened to him too much and he absolutely sucked in challenges when they needed them. Losing that badly in a physical challenge to a man that is 17 years older than you, is a chronic smoker, and does zero physical exercise in the most important HOH challenge of the season is just sad.

[ArlingtonColt]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

I also think Dick and Daniele will evict Jessica Thursday night. It's nothing personal, it's really the best strategy at this point. She's too strong a player and too well liked and if she won HOH next week, Dick and/or Daniele would be on the block next week. The best strategy is to take Zach to the final 3 with them.

This is my 1st season watching BB so i'm not sure how the double eviction usually works. My guess though would just be that the winner of the HOH challenge would nominate 2 people and they'd have a vote right there. I'd like to see Eric go as he is basically responsible for ending Jessica's game. She trusted and listened to him too much and he absolutely sucked in challenges when they needed them. Losing that badly in a physical challenge to a man that is 17 years older than you, is a chronic smoker, and does zero physical exercise in the most important HOH challenge of the season is just sad.

They have done this before in previous seasons. It essentially allows for no posturing, also they USUALLY allow the CURRENT head of household compete when stakes are this high. It will be interesting!

[Thomkal]

Ya know I'm beginning to pull for Dick or Danielle to win despite how I can't stand Dick and the continual uncomfortable discussions with his daughter. They continue to be the ones that go out there and make moves, put suggestions in people's ears, etc. I mean at least from what they showed yesterday, neither Jessica or Jameka did any campaigning to save themselves, or at least try to sway Zach to put up Danielle and Dick. Eric, bound by People's Choice only suggested Jameka. Zach was stupid for listening to them, because hello they are father and daugher and are never going to vote each other out! But really what other options was he given?

And unlike the pathetic Eric, Danielle wins the veto or Head of Household when she needs it the most. I do think they have to evict Jameka over Jessica though. Dick has been pretty brutal towards people who break alliances or try to play both sides the whole game. Danielle somewhat as well. It could get pretty ugly for them trying to justify that if one of them is left in the final two. Jessica would be the smarter move of course strategically, but Jameka is sure to put Dick and Danielle up should divine intervention occur and she survives long enough to participate in another HOH and wins.

[Jas_lov]

I disagree that Zach is stupid for doing what he's doing. Basically he's going to be outnumbered no matter which course he takes. The way things are going right now, he's going to the final 3 with people that he knows he can beat in the final 2, of which he only has to win 1 competition to get to. If he went the other way, Jameka and Jessica would smoke him in the finals and Eric would be a toss up. Also, if the alliance falls apart for some reason and Eric or Jameka win HOH down the road assuming Jessica is gone tomorrow, Zach won't be the target, Dick and Daniele will. Zach's strategy is a good one.

As far as Dick/Daniele breaking their alliance, it really is the best move right now. Jessica wanted to get rid of one of them last week, but Eric couldn't so one would think that they would be the target again next week if Jessica won HOH. The biggest thing that goes into the decision is that idiot Jameka giving up 5 HOHs which means it's The Donatos vs. Eric in the HOH instead of The Donatos vs. Eric and Jessica. As far as losing votes, I'm not sure they could have beaten Jameka, Jessica, or Zach in the finals no matter which way they went. This gives them the best chance to get there together by eliminating one of the 2 best players.

[Cringer]

Why do people think Zack could beat Daniele or Dick in the finals? Maybe Dick, because people will hold too big of a grudge to let go. From what I have seen (especially from hours of online feeds I have downloaded) is that most of the house has had a big dislike for Zack from almost the begining. Not just a dislike of his strategy, but his personality as well. I think Daniele would beat Zack, with Dick being 50/50 against him. Some of the people on the jury will vote in a way we wouldn't think, because you don't know how much they will go for personality (like them/dislike them) or how they felt they played out the game (strategy).

Also, I do not trust the producers of this show. From seeing things from the online feeds, they try to change peoples minds sometimes with their questions to the house guests. The biggest one was several weeks ago when Jessica was close to turning on Eric, and he was probably going to be voted out of the house. After being 'questioned' by Big Brother she eased up on how she felt towards him, and Eric ended up staying. Gee, wonder why they would want America's Player to stay in the game longer? They were definetly on Eric's side there. I could see them taking someone's side again, and trying to change minds.

[Jas_lov]

Here's my line of thinking. You'd like to think that only strategy would come into consideration and not personal feelings when voting for the winner, but that isn't always the case.

Zach vs. Dick- Dick gets Daniele's vote for sure. Zach gets Jen's vote for sure. Comes down to the LNC and Dick said a lot of funny but hurtful things to Dustin, Amber, and Jameka. I could see Amber and Jameka voting for the "good person" to win, meaning Zach. Jessica and Eric have been implying that if Dick/Daniele turn on them this week, they will punish them by voting for Zach in the finals if it should come to that.

Zach vs. Daniele- Daniele gets Dick's vote for sure. Zach gets Jen's vote for sure. Comes down to the LNC. Jessica and Eric could vote for Zach out of spite like I mentioned above with Dick. Who knows how Dustin, Amber, and Jameka would vote in this one. I agree that it'd be close, and Zach has said that he'd rather be up against Dick in the finals. In a case where everyone hates both finalists, will they vote for the least despicable or the best player?

Obviously to get to the final 2, Zach must win the final 3 HOH. If he does this, he's going to get rid of Daniele anyway so it's really a moot point how he stacks up with Daniele. Not sure how the POV works when it gets there, so maybe Daniele could win that and survive to the finals with Zach. All I know is that he'd have no shot against Jameka or Jessica.

I don't trust the producers either. According to Jen, who is not the most reliable source but why would she make this up, they influenced her into keeping the more entertaining Dick over the annoying, boring Dustin. I don't see any more influencing though. The two groups of 3 that have been established are pretty much set and trust each other for the most part.

[Thomkal]

That's some good thinking Jas-lov, though I think people are more willing to vote for Danielle against Zach just because of how good she did in the competitions, and even some sympathy for putting up with her dad all summer. I think Dick really is the only one he has a shot against. Dick's alienated so many members of the jury that Zach might be the "lesser of two Evil's".

So that's why I thought Zach was stupid to take the deal D&D offered. If it gets down to the Final 3 of Zach and those two, Zach HAS to win HOH to make it to the Final 2. Danielle's been killer in competitions, and Dick did surprisingly good in the HOH Zach won. So it would have been smart to get rid of Danielle this week and then work with Dick to the Final 2. Dick would have been pissed, but seems to have a good sense of what's best for him in the game.

If up against any one of the other three plus one of D&D, he may only have to beat just one of them and make a deal with the other to make it to the Final 2. Even Eric could do this despite his "love" for Jessica when its $500,000 on the line, because Eric would stand no chance against Jessica in the finals. There is a prize for second place (I think?) and that might be enough for Zach at that point.

[chrisj]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

And unlike the pathetic Eric, Danielle wins the veto or Head of Household when she needs it the most.

I'm going to defend Eric here.

Eric has only competed in the veto twice - and has won once. And while he's competed in HoH each week, I'm convinced that he has thrown them (the risk of having America vote for him to nominate Jessica, or another alliance member, could have a serious effect on him in the end game).

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I do think they have to evict Jameka over Jessica though. Dick has been pretty brutal towards people who break alliances or try to play both sides the whole game. Danielle somewhat as well. It could get pretty ugly for them trying to justify that if one of them is left in the final two. Jessica would be the smarter move of course strategically, but Jameka is sure to put Dick and Danielle up should divine intervention occur and she survives long enough to participate in another HOH and wins.

I agree with the above. But I do think it would be start strategically to make a deal with Eric/Jess - tell them that if they evict Jameka, that if one of Eric/Jess win HoH, they need to get rid of Zach. It ensures final four for D&D. Otherwise, if they eliminate Jess, then it is Eric/Dick/Dani playing for HoH, and I'm sure Eric would put up both D&D after how they lied to him.

[korme]

The double eviction knocks out

Spoiler

the 2nd strongest alliance as both
Eric and Jess go home. In the heat of things, Eric made a very good argument for himself to stay, but was ousted anyway. No more America's player, no more fun it seems. Zach or Jameka need to win HOH in order to keep a Donato (probably Daniele) from winning this game.

[Jas_lov]

The HOH for this week was played tonight after the show. I won't say who it is again, but you can look it up at one of the BB update sites. I do think we can talk about tonight's show freely because it's already aired so I will. I thought Zach made a mistake not using the POV, taking Eric off, and voting out Daniele. They could have targeted the well liked Jameka the next week and went to the final 3 with Dick, Eric, and Zach in a best man wins. Instead, he left both Donatos in the game and that might cost him.

Basically, POV is just important as HOH this week as the one person who is not nominated casts the fatal vote. So if Jameka or Zach won HOH and put up Dick and Daniele, they'd also have to have one of them win POV to ensure Dick and Daniele don't win it and take themself off because then that POV winner becomes the fatal vote and wouldn't evict the other out. Even if one of the Donatos doesn't win HOH, if they win POV they'll both be going to the final 3 and Zach/Jameka need to step it up this week to make sure it doesn't happen because Daniele is the best player left.

[Mota]

I love how Zach was telling Eric and Jessica how you can't let Dick and Danielle have too much power and you have to take the opportunity to get rid of one of them, and then decides to hop on as the 3rd wheel with them. He has to be one of the dumbest guys I've ever seen on TV. I hope he feels used and dirty when the Donatos are done with him and dump his butt to the sequester house along with everyone else that they've betrayed in this season.