OT: CM4 Beta Demo available at 10am

Marc Vaughan · 02-28-2003, 12:10 AM

Just to let everyone know, the beta demo of CM4 will be available to download from sigames.com this morning at 10am (UK time).

This is a demo made for the CM magazine using code from around a month ago.

I hope you enjoy the demo and we have opened a feedback forum upon sigames.com so that people can report feedback to us about the demo.

Because the code is relatively 'old' many of the flaws in the demo have already been fixed, but we will be checking all reported information just in case we've missed anything.

Have Fun,

Marc

Marc Vaughan · 02-28-2003, 12:11 AM

PS. Beta demo is 6 months (game time) play using the English Leagues (only).

(and yes I am still up and working at 6am ...)

GoldenEagle · 02-28-2003, 12:21 AM

Sounds great, although I wish I could try out the MLS SuperDraft.

samifan24 · 02-28-2003, 01:23 AM

bump....Demo is up and mirrors are posted as well. Enjoy.

3ric · 02-28-2003, 01:49 AM

First impressions of the CM4 Beta demo: damn slick. It looks so professional you can hardly believe it's a text sim.

It looks a little weird with having the 2D highlights, but I'll get used in no time I guess. Looking at the text commentary and the pitch at the same time seems impossible at the moment!

3ric · 02-28-2003, 02:05 AM

Can't run in windowed mode, hope this will be in the full version.

I have a hard time deciding if I'm going to run a proper dynasty or just playing around for fun right now. Mostly it's a familliar environment so I'll just get my feet wet for a couple of hours before starting swimming for real.

3ric · 02-28-2003, 02:12 AM

What's nice is when I'm scouring free agents and opening the page for signing them to a contract then I can read a comment from the assistant manager what he's thinking about the potential transfer. Nigerian international Mutiu was dismissed as being only a 'fringe player' in my squad.

I'm negotiating to sign Rio Ferdinand's little brother Anton, he rejected my first offer but said he "would still like to proceed with further negotiations".

3ric · 02-28-2003, 03:13 AM

At first when I ran a match simulation I thought that it was weird that nothing happened for about half an hour, but then I found an "Options" button at the bottom of the screen which enabled me to set "Extended highlights" and "Very fast" as sim options.

Marc Vaughan · 02-28-2003, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 3ric
Can't run in windowed mode, hope this will be in the full version.

Windowed mode is in the game, but you can only activate it if windows is running above 1024x768.

There is a 'cheat' in the final game (command line option) to allow you to run at a lower res than this - but the game screens have been designed for that resolution and can look cramped if forced below it.

3ric · 02-28-2003, 03:39 AM

I love the little details, in the 2D view when a ball has gone off the pitch, somebody in the stands tosses the ball to the GK after a little delay...

3ric · 02-28-2003, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
Windowed mode is in the game, but you can only activate it if windows is running above 1024x768.

There is a 'cheat' in the final game (command line option) to allow you to run at a lower res than this - but the game screens have been designed for that resolution and can look cramped if forced below it.

Thanks for the hint, Marc - will try that. As of now Windows switches to the desktop if my screensaver is activated during play.

3ric · 02-28-2003, 03:53 AM

Heh.

As my left forward fired a shot directly at the GK, I almost yelled at the right forward for not picking up the rebound... he was trailing the play with 15-20 yards!

The 2D view lifts the grognardish potential of this game to new heights. My pace playing the game will be slower than ever as I try to analyse the full 90 minutes of each game...

HornedFrog Purple · 02-28-2003, 03:56 AM

Hehe thanks for fixing to ruin my life at home Marc.

This thing is awesome. I took over Ipswich Town and am getting demolished. It could be my affinity to the 4-5-1. The fans said they were mad that a more experienced manager was not hired.

I found an option to change the temp to Fahrenheit and some other stuff to help us guys across the pond.

I am beyond pro-dot now. The 2d thing is greatness. I am assuming in the full version I can watch the whole game in 2d?

I am going to see how badly I can destroy my team on the transfer market. Stupid Heskey would not come to Town, its an outrage!

Marc Vaughan · 02-28-2003, 03:56 AM

Windowed mode - CTRL-M is a shortcut for toggling modes by the way

3ric · 02-28-2003, 04:15 AM

That's beautiful - if you look at the match report after the game then you can click on a situation and it shows what happened in the 2D view... there was a strange description where something was missing from the text:
"Hyde did well to get his fingertips on the ball"
"But it was ruled out!"

What was ruled out, I thought. In the 2D view it became clear that the ball was headed into the goal after the GK's initial save, but the referee had blown his whistle the moment before.

andy m · 02-28-2003, 04:41 AM

heh, i can't even get on the sigames website. guess this is proving popular

Marc Vaughan · 02-28-2003, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andy m
heh, i can't even get on the sigames website. guess this is proving popular

If you go to the messageboard we have posted links to the download on there (guessed our main site would have at least some downtime with the deluge of hits).

BreizhManu · 02-28-2003, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
I am beyond pro-dot now. The 2d thing is greatness. I am assuming in the full version I can watch the whole game in 2d?

Yes, but it's kinda boring. Interesting for the first matches and when you're testing a new tactic though.

TroyF · 02-28-2003, 05:05 AM

Wow. What a nice surprise.

TroyF

andy m · 02-28-2003, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
If you go to the messageboard we have posted links to the download on there (guessed our main site would have at least some downtime with the deluge of hits).

cheers! just managed to get on the main site.

RoastDuck · 02-28-2003, 05:22 AM

Are the EHM screenshots available yet?

Honolulu_Blue · 02-28-2003, 05:24 AM

Anyway we can get the links posted here?

So much for my weekend...

3ric · 02-28-2003, 05:58 AM

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also, the p2p networks might have a CM4 30MB file...

3ric · 02-28-2003, 06:07 AM

OK, I just had my first crash. This is necessary to know in order to avoid crashes:

Quote:

The following have been disabled or implemented since we created this beta demo four weeks ago, please note this is not a full or comprehensive list

Ability to arrange friendly
Ability to cancel friendly
Send players for rehabilitation
Network / Internet / Hotseat Play
Sound Effects
Viewing a Full Match
Future Fees for players
Starting a new game
Background pictures
Assistants recommending players to clubs
Saving Highlights
Viewing other teams tactics
Assistants taking control of friendly matches

Known Crashes

In team screens when you go to any other view apart from the Traditional and sort, it crashes
In fixture screens when you click on 'Show next fixture' when a team has no fixtures

Known Issues

News being read while game processing/on holiday
Match commentary seemingly out of sync
Scout report inconsistencies
Penalties not being taken when awarded on the stroke of HT/FT

BreizhManu · 02-28-2003, 06:26 AM

Oh yeah another crash (don't know if it is the Demo, or even if it as been solved in the Beta, I'll try it), don't run Winamp while playing (even with sounds off)

Ryan S · 02-28-2003, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoastDuck
Are the EHM screenshots available yet?

http://eastside.peliplaneetta.net/news.html

ColtCrazy · 02-28-2003, 07:55 AM

So is there a set final release date for CM4? I'll be in England March 24-30, I'm hoping to pick up my copy then. (fingers are crossed)

Anyway, can't wait to get off work and try the demo!

Marc Vaughan · 02-28-2003, 08:00 AM

Colt Crazy - No official release date yet .... but I think you'll have a nice visit (and I can't say more than that).

Bee · 02-28-2003, 08:34 AM

Thanks for posting the links 3ric.

ColtCrazy · 02-28-2003, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
Colt Crazy - No official release date yet .... but I think you'll have a nice visit (and I can't say more than that).

Woohoo!!! Something to look forward to Lord knows I'm not looking forward to English weather in March

Oh, and I see Brighton's fought their way out of relegation. There may still be hope for them Marc!!

Neuqua · 02-28-2003, 10:51 AM

Wow.

I could actually feel my body tense up as I was down 1-0 and my squad (Newcastle) started making a run towards the goal. Then to cap it off with Shearer weaving through 2 defenders to score the equalizer and let's just say I became extremely happy.

Neuqua

McSweeny · 02-28-2003, 10:55 AM

i played a quick game while i was waiting for OOTP this morning. The interface is different enough be slightly annoying the first time, but that will change once i start playing it to death.

And as for the 2d match engine, a thing of beauty! I was cursing as Nottm Forest kept getting rejected again and again enroute to a 0-0 draw. Very nice. I can't wait until the end of march!

ice4277 · 02-28-2003, 11:03 AM

Definitely a bit of a change from the old interface and will take a little time to adjust to. But the new 2D match view is awesome; it was nice to be able to actually see the four goals Michael Owen scored for me in my first match. Its also pretty cool how you can look at highlights from other games as well. The depth of training options is VERY cool, and I like how you can specify things like pre-season and off-time training. I also love some of the new news features. Everton's manager wanted a Leverkusen player, but the player responded in the media by saying that, even though he did want to make a move, he didn't want it to be to Everton. Awesome.

moriarty · 02-28-2003, 12:26 PM

Ugh, you guys are killing me at work here ... I'm contemplating running home at lunch for a quickie.

ice4277 · 02-28-2003, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by moriarty
Ugh, you guys are killing me at work here ... I'm contemplating running home at lunch for a quickie.

Good, you'll probably have time to play a bit of the CM demo too!

moriarty · 02-28-2003, 01:22 PM

Yes, but which one comes first (poor choice of words)?

rexalllsc · 02-28-2003, 02:03 PM

Marc-

I Was wondering, will the two-dimensional view be avail. for full-games in the full-version? Right now, I can only get highlights.

klayman · 02-28-2003, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rexalllsc
Marc-

I Was wondering, will the two-dimensional view be avail. for full-games in the full-version? Right now, I can only get highlights.

Yes. From 3ric's post above it says that View Full Match has been disabled or not implemented yet.

My favorite feature...mousewheel support! Yay!!!!

Radii · 02-28-2003, 02:15 PM

Why oh why did I agree to go over to the gf's and help out in her house ALL DAY tomorrow when there is cm4 demo to be had?! Ah well at least I have tonight

MrBug708 · 02-28-2003, 03:48 PM

I keep getting an Rule Group Error message

rexalllsc · 02-28-2003, 03:52 PM

You guys have any problems when trying to compare 2 players? Doesn't really have any way to know who the colors represent.

GrantDawg · 02-28-2003, 04:01 PM

This looks great so far but...

it crashes every time I go to the reserve team screen and try to sort by selection. I know this is just a beta demo so no worries.

Chief Rum · 02-28-2003, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
Colt Crazy - No official release date yet .... but I think you'll have a nice visit (and I can't say more than that).

I seem to remember reading over at the SIGAMES boards that many of your devoted fans believe that you guys generally release your games two weeks after the demo. Any comments, Marc?

Chief Rum

BreizhManu · 02-28-2003, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chief Rum
I seem to remember reading over at the SIGAMES boards that many of your devoted fans believe that you guys generally release your games two weeks after the demo. Any comments, Marc?

Chief Rum

Let's say that here they're going to release the real demo 2 weeks after the beta one

SirFozzie · 02-28-2003, 09:04 PM

The current hot rumor is the 28th, which would fit well into the vacation comment that Marc made,

Of course, there could be some unknown last minute delays, which would force a month or more delays. Remember,, once Eidos release the broadtape announcement (financial markets, anyone?) with the announcement of an exact release date, the clock is ticking on them. They HAVE to hit that, or they could be fined (quite heavily, If I remember my laws about false statements that had an effect on stock prices). So, I'm QUITE sure that until the last i is dotted, the last t is crossed, and the gold master is returned from pressing, they don't want to say ANYTHING.

Here's the chain of events, by announcing to the CM faithful that "Yes, THIS is the release date", they have to inform Eidos, which has to release this information (they are a publicly traded company IIRC), and then they're on the hook. So, I understand...

But it doesn't make it pleasant waiting

RoastDuck · 03-01-2003, 06:14 AM

My first (brief) impressions:

Positives:

I like the interface - familiar yet enhanced.

The 2D graphic enhancement is a huge stride for the series and I look forward to watching entire games as they unfold.

More involvement for the coaching staff.

Taking on debt - I believe this is the single most-underated enhancement. 90-95% of clubs in England are currently riddled with debt and from my brief look at Sunderland (-£25m) the debt is something I see will need addressing. Coping with debt is a great and realistic challenge. FWIW: In the real world -said club will probably be closer to £50m in debt soon.

Negative:

When searching for potential new players, filtering the player search attributes function used to be a simple click affair. Now, I have to (shock-horror) USE THE KEYBOARD! Why this backward-step?

Marc Vaughan · 03-01-2003, 06:37 AM

"When searching for potential new players, filtering the player search attributes function used to be a simple click affair. Now, I have to (shock-horror) USE THE KEYBOARD! Why this backward-step?"
Will look into improving this.

Blackadar · 03-01-2003, 07:06 AM

Played it a bit last night and can't wait to get my hands on the finished product.

Katon · 03-01-2003, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chief Rum
I seem to remember reading over at the SIGAMES boards that many of your devoted fans believe that you guys generally release your games two weeks after the demo. Any comments, Marc?

Chief Rum

Back when the full version was scheduled for yesterday, they were saying that the demo would be released two weeks before the final version. Not just saying February 14th, but actually saing "two weeks before the finale version". That aside, the current consensus is the 28th, which seems the most likely date. I have seen some people mention the 21st, though, and that would also sort of fit the vacation comment.

Tekneek · 03-01-2003, 07:32 AM

The interface will require me getting used to it. I do like it, and think it will be great once I figure out how to do some of the things I did by reflex in the previous versions.

I really like the 2D view, however I have found that I am turning it off during matches and going with the commentary. I do like watching the "highlights" of matches with it, though. This may eventually change, but after going with the commentary for all these years I can't deal with watching little guys running around and the commentary below them. I was finding that I had to choose between one or the other, and given the choice I am going with the commentary.

Everything else, so far, seems brilliant. I think I will be able to get CM4 relatively close to releaste date (whenever that is). All praise itemized tax deductions!

02-28-2003, 12:21 AM	#3
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Sounds great, although I wish I could try out the MLS SuperDraft. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

02-28-2003, 01:23 AM	#4
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	bump....Demo is up and mirrors are posted as well. Enjoy. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

02-28-2003, 01:49 AM	#5
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	First impressions of the CM4 Beta demo: damn slick. It looks so professional you can hardly believe it's a text sim. It looks a little weird with having the 2D highlights, but I'll get used in no time I guess. Looking at the text commentary and the pitch at the same time seems impossible at the moment! __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 02:05 AM	#6
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Can't run in windowed mode, hope this will be in the full version. I have a hard time deciding if I'm going to run a proper dynasty or just playing around for fun right now. Mostly it's a familliar environment so I'll just get my feet wet for a couple of hours before starting swimming for real. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 02:12 AM	#7
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	What's nice is when I'm scouring free agents and opening the page for signing them to a contract then I can read a comment from the assistant manager what he's thinking about the potential transfer. Nigerian international Mutiu was dismissed as being only a 'fringe player' in my squad. I'm negotiating to sign Rio Ferdinand's little brother Anton, he rejected my first offer but said he "would still like to proceed with further negotiations". __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC! Last edited by 3ric : 02-28-2003 at 03:08 AM.

02-28-2003, 12:11 AM	#2
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	PS. Beta demo is 6 months (game time) play using the English Leagues (only). (and yes I am still up and working at 6am ...)

02-28-2003, 03:13 AM	#8
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	At first when I ran a match simulation I thought that it was weird that nothing happened for about half an hour, but then I found an "Options" button at the bottom of the screen which enabled me to set "Extended highlights" and "Very fast" as sim options. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 03:39 AM	#10
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	I love the little details, in the 2D view when a ball has gone off the pitch, somebody in the stands tosses the ball to the GK after a little delay... __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 03:53 AM	#12
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Heh. As my left forward fired a shot directly at the GK, I almost yelled at the right forward for not picking up the rebound... he was trailing the play with 15-20 yards! The 2D view lifts the grognardish potential of this game to new heights. My pace playing the game will be slower than ever as I try to analyse the full 90 minutes of each game... __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 03:56 AM	#13
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Hehe thanks for fixing to ruin my life at home Marc. This thing is awesome. I took over Ipswich Town and am getting demolished. It could be my affinity to the 4-5-1. The fans said they were mad that a more experienced manager was not hired. I found an option to change the temp to Fahrenheit and some other stuff to help us guys across the pond. I am beyond pro-dot now. The 2d thing is greatness. I am assuming in the full version I can watch the whole game in 2d? I am going to see how badly I can destroy my team on the transfer market. Stupid Heskey would not come to Town, its an outrage! __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

02-28-2003, 04:15 AM	#15
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	That's beautiful - if you look at the match report after the game then you can click on a situation and it shows what happened in the 2D view... there was a strange description where something was missing from the text: "Hyde did well to get his fingertips on the ball" "But it was ruled out!" What was ruled out, I thought. In the 2D view it became clear that the ball was headed into the goal after the GK's initial save, but the referee had blown his whistle the moment before. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 04:41 AM	#16
andy m High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: norwich, UK	heh, i can't even get on the sigames website. guess this is proving popular __________________ mostly harmless FOFL 2009 champs - Norwich Quagmire

02-28-2003, 05:05 AM	#19
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Wow. What a nice surprise. TroyF

02-28-2003, 05:22 AM	#21
RoastDuck Mascot Join Date: Oct 2000	Are the EHM screenshots available yet?

02-28-2003, 05:24 AM	#22
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Anyway we can get the links posted here? So much for my weekend... __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

02-28-2003, 05:58 AM	#23
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	link link link link link link link link link link link link link also, the p2p networks might have a CM4 30MB file... __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-28-2003, 06:26 AM	#25
BreizhManu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Paris, France	Oh yeah another crash (don't know if it is the Demo, or even if it as been solved in the Beta, I'll try it), don't run Winamp while playing (even with sounds off)

02-28-2003, 07:55 AM	#27
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	So is there a set final release date for CM4? I'll be in England March 24-30, I'm hoping to pick up my copy then. (fingers are crossed) Anyway, can't wait to get off work and try the demo! __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

02-28-2003, 08:00 AM	#28
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Colt Crazy - No official release date yet .... but I think you'll have a nice visit (and I can't say more than that).

02-28-2003, 08:34 AM	#29
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Thanks for posting the links 3ric.

02-28-2003, 10:51 AM	#31
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Wow. I could actually feel my body tense up as I was down 1-0 and my squad (Newcastle) started making a run towards the goal. Then to cap it off with Shearer weaving through 2 defenders to score the equalizer and let's just say I became extremely happy. Neuqua __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-28-2003, 10:55 AM	#32
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	i played a quick game while i was waiting for OOTP this morning. The interface is different enough be slightly annoying the first time, but that will change once i start playing it to death. And as for the 2d match engine, a thing of beauty! I was cursing as Nottm Forest kept getting rejected again and again enroute to a 0-0 draw. Very nice. I can't wait until the end of march!

02-28-2003, 11:03 AM	#33
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Definitely a bit of a change from the old interface and will take a little time to adjust to. But the new 2D match view is awesome; it was nice to be able to actually see the four goals Michael Owen scored for me in my first match. Its also pretty cool how you can look at highlights from other games as well. The depth of training options is VERY cool, and I like how you can specify things like pre-season and off-time training. I also love some of the new news features. Everton's manager wanted a Leverkusen player, but the player responded in the media by saying that, even though he did want to make a move, he didn't want it to be to Everton. Awesome.

02-28-2003, 12:26 PM	#34
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	Ugh, you guys are killing me at work here ... I'm contemplating running home at lunch for a quickie.

02-28-2003, 01:22 PM	#36
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	Yes, but which one comes first (poor choice of words)?

02-28-2003, 02:03 PM	#37
rexalllsc Banned Join Date: Feb 2003	Marc- I Was wondering, will the two-dimensional view be avail. for full-games in the full-version? Right now, I can only get highlights.

02-28-2003, 02:15 PM	#39
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Why oh why did I agree to go over to the gf's and help out in her house ALL DAY tomorrow when there is cm4 demo to be had?! Ah well at least I have tonight

02-28-2003, 03:48 PM	#40
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I keep getting an Rule Group Error message

02-28-2003, 03:52 PM	#41
rexalllsc Banned Join Date: Feb 2003	You guys have any problems when trying to compare 2 players? Doesn't really have any way to know who the colors represent.

02-28-2003, 04:01 PM	#42
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	This looks great so far but... it crashes every time I go to the reserve team screen and try to sort by selection. I know this is just a beta demo so no worries.

02-28-2003, 09:04 PM	#45
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	The current hot rumor is the 28th, which would fit well into the vacation comment that Marc made, Of course, there could be some unknown last minute delays, which would force a month or more delays. Remember,, once Eidos release the broadtape announcement (financial markets, anyone?) with the announcement of an exact release date, the clock is ticking on them. They HAVE to hit that, or they could be fined (quite heavily, If I remember my laws about false statements that had an effect on stock prices). So, I'm QUITE sure that until the last i is dotted, the last t is crossed, and the gold master is returned from pressing, they don't want to say ANYTHING. Here's the chain of events, by announcing to the CM faithful that "Yes, THIS is the release date", they have to inform Eidos, which has to release this information (they are a publicly traded company IIRC), and then they're on the hook. So, I understand... But it doesn't make it pleasant waiting __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-01-2003, 06:14 AM	#46
RoastDuck Mascot Join Date: Oct 2000	My first (brief) impressions: Positives: I like the interface - familiar yet enhanced. The 2D graphic enhancement is a huge stride for the series and I look forward to watching entire games as they unfold. More involvement for the coaching staff. Taking on debt - I believe this is the single most-underated enhancement. 90-95% of clubs in England are currently riddled with debt and from my brief look at Sunderland (-£25m) the debt is something I see will need addressing. Coping with debt is a great and realistic challenge. FWIW: In the real world -said club will probably be closer to £50m in debt soon. Negative: When searching for potential new players, filtering the player search attributes function used to be a simple click affair. Now, I have to (shock-horror) USE THE KEYBOARD! Why this backward-step?

03-01-2003, 06:37 AM	#47
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	"When searching for potential new players, filtering the player search attributes function used to be a simple click affair. Now, I have to (shock-horror) USE THE KEYBOARD! Why this backward-step?" Will look into improving this.

03-01-2003, 07:06 AM	#48
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Played it a bit last night and can't wait to get my hands on the finished product.

03-01-2003, 07:32 AM	#50
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	The interface will require me getting used to it. I do like it, and think it will be great once I figure out how to do some of the things I did by reflex in the previous versions. I really like the 2D view, however I have found that I am turning it off during matches and going with the commentary. I do like watching the "highlights" of matches with it, though. This may eventually change, but after going with the commentary for all these years I can't deal with watching little guys running around and the commentary below them. I was finding that I had to choose between one or the other, and given the choice I am going with the commentary. Everything else, so far, seems brilliant. I think I will be able to get CM4 relatively close to releaste date (whenever that is). All praise itemized tax deductions!