Technical Hattrick Question

TredWel · 02-23-2003, 11:41 AM

Not sure if anybody here can answer this, but here goes.

I've been trying to design a program which can search every national transfer list at the same time. The main problem I'm having right now is how Hattrick determines what country you're "in" at the moment. It's not hard-coded into the pages, and my search of the cookies Hattrick leaves on my computer also proved fruitless.

Just curious if someone has some insight into this.

3ric · 02-23-2003, 12:02 PM

I would guess that the country selected is passed to the server through a session variable that Active Server Pages often do. I don't remember how tight the security is for those, to prevent "eavesdropping".

TredWel · 02-23-2003, 12:10 PM

That'd do it. Thanks.

bbor · 02-23-2003, 12:18 PM

Tred....that would be an awesome utility to have...good luck

Airhog · 02-23-2003, 12:32 PM

thats the only two complaints I have with hattrick

1. You can' t view players from every country

2. You can't watch a player on the list.

NevStar · 02-23-2003, 01:42 PM

Just a word of warning: it's against hattrick's user agreement to design any application that traverses hattrick's pages without the express consent of Hattrick's developers.

I was going to design a similar app but was discouraged because of this. HAM has this permission. You might want to email GM-George about getting permission; he might even be able to point you in the right direction to answer your question.

QuikSand · 02-23-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Airhog
1. You can' t view players from every country

Remember, though, this is something of a double-edged sword. If it were super-easy to watch the whole transfer market all at once, then everybody would be doing so - and it would be a lot more difficult to find "bargains" by investing a little time and effort (which one can do now). Trade-offs.

QuikSand · 02-23-2003, 02:10 PM

To offer an unpopular opinion (here) - this is the sort of thing that I think the ht people could do to make some money from their devotees. If they opened up a "premium service" that allowed a global transfer search (maybe even only in limited ways) - I think there are people who would be willing to pay for such a service. Technically, it wouldn't mean more information than everyone else has, just a bit more readily accessible.

I realize that many/most computer users balk at the idea of paying for the rvices they receive... but the ht people have every right to find balance between free and (partially) user-supported.

HornedFrog Purple · 02-23-2003, 02:16 PM

Actually I think $20 for a 12 month subscription is great. I would balk at something like this that costs 10 bucks a month or something like that. I think for its value it is the easiest 20 dollars I have ever spent online and the most fun. Plus you really get absolutely no inherent advantage in sponsorship, it is just made easier to navigate and you get "immersion" toys.

Airhog · 02-23-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by QuikSand
Remember, though, this is something of a double-edged sword. If it were super-easy to watch the whole transfer market all at once, then everybody would be doing so - and it would be a lot more difficult to find "bargains" by investing a little time and effort (which one can do now). Trade-offs.

A good point I havent thought about. Right now I have bought one decent player from a foreign market. I find it hard to keep track of players short of pasting the information into a text file. I wouldnt mind having to surf through the many countries to find players, but having to surf everytime I wanna view him is pretty time consuming.

Airhog · 02-23-2003, 02:40 PM

dola here but they do offer player tracking through sms over your cellphone.

TredWel · 02-23-2003, 03:30 PM

A message has been sent to the developers asking permission. Thanks for the heads-up, NevStar.

daedalus · 02-23-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Actually I think $20 for a 12 month subscription is great. I would balk at something like this that costs 10 bucks a month or something like that. I think for its value it is the easiest 20 dollars I have ever spent online and the most fun. Plus you really get absolutely no inherent advantage in sponsorship, it is just made easier to navigate and you get "immersion" toys.

It sounds like that is what QS is suggesting, though. Allowing those who paid for the "premium service" (ie, supporters) to view or search globally doesn't actually provide them with actual advantage. Just makes it easier for them to navigate.

vex · 02-24-2003, 12:39 AM

Any word yet from the developers?

PilotMan · 02-24-2003, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Airhog
thats the only two complaints I have with hattrick

1. You can' t view players from every country

2. You can't watch a player on the list.

With the supporter, you can bookmark almost anything in the game including players on the transfer market.

3ric · 02-24-2003, 02:16 AM

Of course, just being able to save players found in searches and compare them would be a huge help.

That'd work even without the ability to search in all countries simultaneously.

Airhog · 02-24-2003, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by PilotMan
With the supporter, you can bookmark almost anything in the game including players on the transfer market.

I did not know that. Can you view the players all in a list? is it easy to compare players without having to switch?

It would be nice if it could be stored in a .hrf file. then you could download it and look over the data in something like HAM

Poli · 02-24-2003, 09:00 AM

I suppose you could click and paste. HT-wise, you have to pull up each player individually...but it wouldn't be that hard to cut, paste, and compare.

TredWel · 02-24-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by vexroid
Any word yet from the developers?

Still waiting for a reply from the devs.

02-23-2003, 12:02 PM	#2
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	I would guess that the country selected is passed to the server through a session variable that Active Server Pages often do. I don't remember how tight the security is for those, to prevent "eavesdropping". __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC! Last edited by 3ric : 02-23-2003 at 12:04 PM.

02-23-2003, 12:10 PM	#3
TredWel High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Old Forge, PA	That'd do it. Thanks. __________________ There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin. - Linus Van Pelt

02-23-2003, 12:18 PM	#4
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Tred....that would be an awesome utility to have...good luck __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

02-23-2003, 12:32 PM	#5
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	thats the only two complaints I have with hattrick 1. You can' t view players from every country 2. You can't watch a player on the list. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

02-23-2003, 01:42 PM	#6
NevStar High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Raleigh, NC	Just a word of warning: it's against hattrick's user agreement to design any application that traverses hattrick's pages without the express consent of Hattrick's developers. I was going to design a similar app but was discouraged because of this. HAM has this permission. You might want to email GM-George about getting permission; he might even be able to point you in the right direction to answer your question. __________________ I can't think of a clever signature.

02-23-2003, 02:10 PM	#8
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	To offer an unpopular opinion (here) - this is the sort of thing that I think the ht people could do to make some money from their devotees. If they opened up a "premium service" that allowed a global transfer search (maybe even only in limited ways) - I think there are people who would be willing to pay for such a service. Technically, it wouldn't mean more information than everyone else has, just a bit more readily accessible. I realize that many/most computer users balk at the idea of paying for the rvices they receive... but the ht people have every right to find balance between free and (partially) user-supported.

02-23-2003, 02:16 PM	#9
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Actually I think $20 for a 12 month subscription is great. I would balk at something like this that costs 10 bucks a month or something like that. I think for its value it is the easiest 20 dollars I have ever spent online and the most fun. Plus you really get absolutely no inherent advantage in sponsorship, it is just made easier to navigate and you get "immersion" toys. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

02-23-2003, 02:40 PM	#11
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	dola here but they do offer player tracking through sms over your cellphone. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

02-23-2003, 03:30 PM	#12
TredWel High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Old Forge, PA	A message has been sent to the developers asking permission. Thanks for the heads-up, NevStar. __________________ There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin. - Linus Van Pelt

02-24-2003, 12:39 AM	#14
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Any word yet from the developers?

02-24-2003, 02:16 AM	#16
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Of course, just being able to save players found in searches and compare them would be a huge help. That'd work even without the ability to search in all countries simultaneously. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-24-2003, 09:00 AM	#18
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I suppose you could click and paste. HT-wise, you have to pull up each player individually...but it wouldn't be that hard to cut, paste, and compare. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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