AFI to rank 100 greatest films....again

[Bearcat729]

I'm not sure why because I can't imagine any of the 44 new additions to the ballot to over take Citizen Kane, The Godfather or Casablanca for the top 3 spots.



AFI To Count Down The 100 Greatest Movies Of All Time

American Film Institute (AFI) today announced the 10th annual installment of its Emmy Award-winning "AFI's 100 Years..." series. "AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies -- 10th Anniversary Edition" will count down the 100 greatest movies of all time in a three-hour television event on CBS in June.

The program will consider classic favorites and newly eligible films released from 1996 to 2006. AFI will undertake this program every 10 years to mark changing cultural perspectives.

"AFI has created the most comprehensive and credible examination of excellence in American film with the AFI's 100 Years... series," said AFI President and CEO Jean Picker Firstenberg. "And, whether you agree with these lists or not, they have sparked a 10-year conversation on what makes a great movie and why. We are excited to ignite this conversation once again, this year and every 10 to come. Let the debate begin!"

Since its inception, the AFI program has garnered considerable attention and included AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies (1998), 100 Stars (1999), 100 Laughs (2000), 100 Thrills (2001), 100 Passions (2002), 100 Heroes & Villains (2003), 100 Songs (2004), 100 Movie Quotes (2005) and 100 Cheers (2006).

AFI asks jurors to consider the following criteria in their selection process:

FEATURE-LENGTH FICTION FILM
Narrative format, typically over 60 minutes in length.

AMERICAN FILM
Motion picture with significant creative and/or production elements from
the United States.

CRITICAL RECOGNITION
Formal commendation in print, television and digital media.

MAJOR AWARD WINNER
Recognition from competitive events including awards from peer groups,
critics, guilds and major film festivals.

POPULARITY OVER TIME
Including success at the box office, television and cable airings, and
DVD/VHS sales and rentals.

HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE
A film's mark on the history of the moving image through visionary
narrative devices, technical innovation or other groundbreaking
achievements.

CULTURAL IMPACT
A film's mark on American society in matters of style and substance.

AFI allows five write-in votes per ballot.

Interesting Facts About the Ballot:

* All of the 100 honored films from the original AFI's 100 Years...100
Movies list appear on the ballot.

* Henry Fonda is the most represented male actor with 10 films. James
Stewart and Cary Grant each have nine, while Robert De Niro and Jack
Nicholson have eight.

* Katharine Hepburn is the most represented female actor with seven
films. Lillian Gish and Bette Davis each have five.

* 1939 and 1942 are the most represented years with 11 films each.

* Alfred Hitchcock and William Wyler are the most represented directors
with 10 films each. Steven Spielberg and Howard Hawks are represented
with eight films each, and Billy Wilder and George Stevens have seven.

* Ernst Lehman is the most represented screenwriter with six films.

* The ballot includes entries that span
from 1915 to 2005.

* About 11 percent of the ballot (44 films) comes from the last 10 years,
newly eligible since the original AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies.

[Logan]

Is there a list of the new considerations?

[Butter]

It's Hollywood, they love sequels.

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by Logan

Is there a list of the new considerations?

You can go to http://www.afi.com/ and download the ballot. It has all 400 movies on it however so you would have to sort through everything.

After a quick glance a see Spider Man 2, American Beauty, The Sixth Sense, Austin Powers International Man Of Mystery, As Good As It Gets, and The Aviator at movies from the last 10 years on the list.

[Mustang]

New stuff -

American Beauty, As Good as it gets, Austin powers, Aviator, Beautiful Mind, Fight Club, Finding Nemo, Brokeback Moutain, Crash, English Patient, Eternal Sunshine, Erin Brokovich, Fargo, Gladiator, Good As it Gets, Goodwill Hunting, Harry Potter - Prisoner Azkaban, Hotel Rwanda, Insider, LA Confidential, Lord of the Rings (all 3), Lost in Translation, Matrix, Momento, Moulin Rouge, Million Dollar Baby, Mystic River, Ray, Rushmore, Shrek, Sideways, Saving Private Ryan, Shakespeare in Love, Pirates of the Caribbean 1, 6th Sense, Spiderman 2, Somerthing About Mary, The Hours...

Might have missed one or two.

[Mustang]

Missed the following - Requiem for a Dream, 3 Kings, Boogies Nights, Titanic, Being John Malkovich, Chicago and Good Night & Good Luck..

Of course, some of those are 1996 movies that might have been on the previous one so.. I just grabbed all the 1996 + ones

[Crapshoot]

Eternal Sunshine, Requiem for a Dream, and the English Patient are the three that I think belong on that list, though I'm by no means a film buff.

[Mustang]

Figure over a decade there should be around 10 movies so, my 10..

American Beauty, Beautiful Mind, Gladiator, Finding Nemo, Fight Club, Saving Private Ryan, Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Spiderman 2

[Logan]

Assuming that's the whole list, I'd add (in no order)...

American Beauty, Fight Club, Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, There's Something About Mary

[korme]

Good Will Hunting, American Beauty, Fight Club, SPR, Requiem, Crash get my vote.

2 thoughts- sucks the Departed didn't get included, and puts a smile on my face to see Rushmore in the ballot!

[Swaggs]

LA Confidential is probably my favorite movie ever. I'd like to see it on the list.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

LA Confidential is probably my favorite movie ever. I'd like to see it on the list.

if anyone could find audio or video of an interview with James Elroy - preferrably him on Conan (I had it on VHS years ago, but lost it) they would be my hero.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by wade moore

if anyone could find audio or video of an interview with James Elroy - preferrably him on Conan (I had it on VHS years ago, but lost it) they would be my hero.

Hmmm... do some late night TiVo searching for a movie called "James Ellroy's Feast of Death" or just "Feast of Death." Sounds like it woudl be right up your alley - it's basically a 90 minute interview with him, and following him around, talking about his late mother, the Black Dahlia, and LA Confidential. He comes off like a total creep, incidentally.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Hmmm... do some late night TiVo searching for a movie called "James Ellroy's Feats of Death" or just "Feast of Death." Sounds like it woudl be right up your alley - it's basically a 90 minute interview with him, and following him around, talking about his late mother, the Black Dahlia, and LA Confidential. He comes off like a total creep, incidentally.

I became fascinated with Ellroy when my college roommate took a 2 week seminar offered by him at W&M. He told me how insane the guy was. Then we watched him on Conan after taping it several weeks later (I think he was promoting a new book ro something? Cause this would have been 98-99 timeframe)... Anyway... The stuff he was saying on Conan was just insane... and my roomie was saying how that was just the beginning...

So.. it's sort of a sick fascination with him because he seems really like you said - a creep, and either insane or constantly playing some kind of major "part" all of the time.

FWIW, I tried to read one of his books (The Cold 6,000) - it read like he talks and I had to put it down because it was just too hard to follow.

Edit: Oh, and - I'll definitely do a TiVO search... could just wishlist Ellroy, thanks for the heads up.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I became fascinated with Ellroy when my college roommate took a 2 week seminar offered by him at W&M. He told me how insane the guy was. Then we watched him on Conan after taping it several weeks later (I think he was promoting a new book ro something? Cause this would have been 98-99 timeframe)... Anyway... The stuff he was saying on Conan was just insane... and my roomie was saying how that was just the beginning...

So.. it's sort of a sick fascination with him because he seems really like you said - a creep, and either insane or constantly playing some kind of major "part" all of the time.

FWIW, I tried to read one of his books (The Cold 6,000) - it read like he talks and I had to put it down because it was just too hard to follow.

Edit: Oh, and - I'll definitely do a TiVO search... could just wishlist Ellroy, thanks for the heads up.

The Cold 6,000 is probably not a good starting point for Ellroy...try "Black Dahlia", or even the more perverse "Killer on the Road" (it's shorter). It seems once Ellroy accepted his mother's murder, that his writing became somewhat stagnant..."Dahlia" is probably the pinnacle, and it's crisp reading. I read it in one sitting, as dawn was breaking was when I finished, I had started the evening before.

[Bearcat729]

So here is the list



RANK FILM 1997 List CHANGE
1 CITIZEN KANE 1 0
2 THE GODFATHER 3 1
3 CASABLANCA 2 -1
4 RAGING BULL 24 20
5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN 10 5
6 GONE WITH THE WIND 4 -2
7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 5 -2
8 SCHINDLER'S LIST 9 1
9 VERTIGO 61 52
10 WIZARD OF OZ, THE 6 -4
11 CITY LIGHTS 76 65
12 SEARCHERS, THE 96 84
13 STAR WARS 15 2
14 PSYCHO 18 4
15 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 22 7
16 SUNSET BLVD. 12 -4
17 GRADUATE, THE 7 -10
18 GENERAL, THE New n/a
19 ON THE WATERFRONT 8 -11
20 IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE 11 -9
21 CHINATOWN 19 -2
22 SOME LIKE IT HOT 14 -8
23 GRAPES OF WRATH, THE 21 -2
24 E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL 25 1
25 TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD 34 9
26 MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON 29 3
27 HIGH NOON 33 6
28 ALL ABOUT EVE 16 -12
29 DOUBLE INDEMNITY 38 9
30 APOCALYPSE NOW 28 -2
31 MALTESE FALCON, THE 23 -8
32 GODFATHER PART II, THE 32 0
33 ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST 20 -13
34 SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS 49 15
35 ANNIE HALL 31 -4
36 BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI, THE 13 -23
37 BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, THE 37 0
38 TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE, THE 30 -8
39 DR. STRANGELOVE 26 -13
40 SOUND OF MUSIC, THE 55 15
41 KING KONG 43 2
42 BONNIE AND CLYDE 27 -15
43 MIDNIGHT COWBOY 36 -7
44 PHILADELPHIA STORY, THE 51 7
45 SHANE 69 24
46 IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT 35 -11
47 STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A 45 -2
48 REAR WINDOW 42 -6
49 INTOLERANCE New N/A
50 LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING N/A
51 WEST SIDE STORY 41 -10
52 TAXI DRIVER 47 -5
53 DEER HUNTER, THE 79 26
54 M*A*S*H 56 2
55 NORTH BY NORTHWEST 40 -15
56 JAWS 48 -8
57 ROCKY 78 21
58 GOLD RUSH, THE 74 16
59 NASHVILLE New N/A
60 DUCK SOUP 85 25
61 SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS New N/A
62 AMERICAN GRAFFITI 77 15
63 CABARET New N/A
64 NETWORK 66 2
65 AFRICAN QUEEN, THE 17 -48
66 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 60 -6
67 WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? New N/A
68 UNFORGIVEN 98 30
69 TOOTSIE 62 -7
70 CLOCKWORK ORANGE, A 46 -24
71 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN New N/A
72 SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE New N/A
73 BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 50 -23
74 SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, THE 65 -9
75 IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT New N/A
76 FORREST GUMP 71 -5
77 ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN New N/A
78 MODERN TIMES 81 3
79 WILD BUNCH, THE 80 1
80 APARTMENT, THE 93 13
81 SPARTACUS New N/A
82 SUNRISE New N/A
83 TITANIC New N/A
84 EASY RIDER 88 4
85 NIGHT AT THE OPERA, A New N/A
86 PLATOON 83 -3
87 12 ANGRY MEN New N/A
88 BRINGING UP BABY 97 9
89 SIXTH SENSE, THE New N/A
90 SWING TIME New N/A
91 SOPHIE'S CHOICE New N/A
92 GOODFELLAS 94 2
93 FRENCH CONNECTION, THE 70 -23
94 PULP FICTION 95 1
95 LAST PICTURE SHOW, THE New N/A
96 DO THE RIGHT THING New N/A
97 BLADE RUNNER New N/A
98 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 100 2
99 TOY STORY New N/A
100 BEN-HUR 72 -28
AFI is a trademark of the American Film Institute. Copyright 2007 American Film Institute. All Rights Reserved.

[rkmsuf]

LOTR?????


Blehhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Passacaglia]

Wow, some big jumps and drops for old movies in there. I wonder how they got so bad?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wow, some big jumps and drops for old movies in there. I wonder how they got so bad?

Not sure how Casablanca went from #2 to #3 since they had a bye week.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Not sure how Casablanca went from #2 to #3 since they had a bye week.

My initial thoughts as well.

[Crapshoot]

Yeah, Raging Bull at no 4? This is just trying to get attention.

[rkmsuf]

12 SEARCHERS, THE 96 84

Uh, yeah. I have no idea or have ever heard of this movie and I consider myself a buff. At least from Caddyshack on.

[Surtt]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Yeah, Raging Bull at no 4? This is just trying to get attention.

I think it is a very underrated movie.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Surtt

I think it is a very underrated movie.

what no spoiler tag?

[Surtt]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Uh, yeah. I have no idea or have ever heard of this movie and I consider myself a buff. At least from Caddyshack on.

It is a classic John Wayne western.

[Surtt]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

what no spoiler tag?

I hope I did not give away the ending!

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Surtt

It is a classic John Wayne western.

Far be it from me to impune The Duke but I've never seen it. Now my quest is to never see it.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Surtt

I think it is a very underrated movie.

Still?

[Lorena]

Titanic above 12 Angry Men?!

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Still?

If Raging Bull was a President it would be called Ragerham Blinkin.

[Surtt]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Still?

By under rated I mean: people would be surprised to see it in the top 20.
Not that is is underrated at 4.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Titanic above 12 Angry Men?!

Holy shit. I take it back. This is idiocy of the highest order.

[rowech]

I still say Casablanca is the greatest. Hot leading lady. WWII. Spys. Romance. Nationalism. Nazis. Bogart. Classic song. Tons of classic lines.

I think the most alarming thing for me is the drop of It's a Wonderful Life....shameful that that movie was out of the top 10 the first time and even moreso now.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by rowech

I still say Casablanca is the greatest. Hot leading lady. WWII. Spys. Romance. Nationalism. Nazis. Bogart. Classic song. Tons of classic lines.

So then, Top Secret should be #2 then? (Minus Bogart although.. he is in Hot Shots)

[Sgran]

Just how exactly is Clockwork Orange an American film?

[3ric]

Blade Runner on the list = good.

[Sgran]

Okay, I'm willing to accept some painful stuff like Singing in the Rain because some people love it, it was really influential, bla bla bla, and I'll even take Pulp Fiction in the 90s when it should be top-20 on impact and influence alone, but WHERE THE HELL IS ALIEN?????

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Sgran

Just how exactly is Clockwork Orange an American film?

Well, if they are going by production companies, Warner Bros. Pictures was the major production company for it (an American company).

[kingnebwsu]

No "American Beauty" makes me sad...that's definitely the best movie I've ever seen.

[Karlifornia]

Pulp Fiction is easily top 20 in my mind....I need to check out the Searchers..I always hear about how good it is.

[sterlingice]

Maybe in 50 years when there are people on the AFI who mistakenly revere Tarantino as something more than he is, you guys with your crazy Pulp Fiction ravings will get your wish. But until then, enjoy the 90s.

SI

[Scarecrow]

Vertigo @ #9 (and Hitchcock's highest rated movie) makes me giddy in my pants!!!

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Maybe in 50 years when there are people on the AFI who mistakenly revere Tarantino as something more than he is, you guys with your crazy Pulp Fiction ravings will get your wish. But until then, enjoy the 90s.

SI

This is the Benoit Benjamin of posts.

[k0ruptr]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Not sure how Casablanca went from #2 to #3 since they had a bye week.

FUCK THE BCS.

[rowech]

Pulp Fiction belongs in the 75-100 range. I love the movie but there's no way it's one of the 100 greatest of all-time. I just saw where Shawshank is. That movie will make it's way up over the years.

[larrymcg421]

I think people are forgetting that the list isn't based solely on "quality". Here are the criteria:

FEATURE-LENGTH FICTION FILM
AMERICAN FILM
CRITICAL RECOGNITION
MAJOR AWARD WINNER
POPULARITY OVER TIME
HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE
CULTURAL IMPACT

Given this criteria, I don't see any reason why 12 Angry Men should be higher than Titanic. In fact, I'm surprised it's on the list at all.

[oliegirl]

12 Angry Men is one of my favorite all time movies...it's one of the first movies I remember making a real impression on me. My 11th grade American Law class teacher showed it in class. I'm definitely with DC on this one and am shocked that Titanic was ranked above it. Sure, Titanic is good, but I don't think it will stand the test of time the way 12 Angry Men has. Great great movie.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by kingnebwsu

No "American Beauty" makes me sad...that's definitely the best movie I've ever seen.

I'd agree with this, maybe not quite to the absolute pinnacle, but it's in my top handful. I wonder if the controversial subject matter wiped out enough votes to keep it from even making the list. *shurg*

[larrymcg421]

Titanic is the #1 grossing film of all time and tied the record for most Oscar wins ever. On top of that, it was critically acclaimed at the release and has remained very popular since. I'm surprised it's as low as it was on the list.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Titanic is the #1 grossing film of all time and tied the record for most Oscar wins ever. On top of that, it was critically acclaimed at the release and has remained very popular since. I'm surprised it's as low as it was on the list.

Very true, but in terms of the list, it's a fairly new movie. Do you think it will still be there, or higher on the list in 50 years, or do you think it will be bumped off by then? I think something like Titanic is much more likely to fall off the list than something that has already stood the test of time like 12 Angry Men, or a number of other movies that are, at least in my opinion, too low on the list.