MOO - A week from today

Blackadar · 02-18-2003, 08:50 PM

I'm still on the fence on this one, but the initial reviews are very positive. A couple more and I'll have yet another addictive game to add to the collection.

Sporkimata · 02-18-2003, 08:53 PM

Im feeling pretty good with all the reviews so far myself. I have it prepaid and cant wait. Might have to get a Fofc Multiplayer game going of it....

JeeberD · 02-18-2003, 08:55 PM

For the uninformed of us, what's MOO?

Qwikshot · 02-18-2003, 08:56 PM

Masters of Orion

JeeberD · 02-18-2003, 09:04 PM

Aha, I see. Thanks.

Tarkus · 02-18-2003, 09:04 PM

For those not familiar with this one, is it a space RTS?

Tarkus

Sporkimata · 02-18-2003, 09:08 PM

Sorta. Kinda. Its a turn based game with real time ship combat.

McSweeny · 02-18-2003, 10:07 PM

what no cow jokes yet?

Qwikshot · 02-18-2003, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by McSweeny
what no cow jokes yet?

Moo, and no you won't catch up with me...

btw...I'm doubtful on buying this game, the previews have been mixed, and I'm fearful that while it may be an okay game on its own, I don't know if it's going to be able to walk in its predecessors shoes...

ACStrider · 02-19-2003, 05:36 AM

Check out this website of a friend of mine. www.cowku.com. It has great cow haikus.

Chappy · 02-19-2003, 06:08 AM

I never played MOO2......I would assume it was as good or better than 1?

oykib · 02-19-2003, 06:51 AM

I'm pretty skeptical. I'll wait for quite a while before giving this a try. It's too much of a hassle getting games delivered to Japan to risk a game that has been delayed for so long.

I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs.

Bee · 02-19-2003, 06:58 AM

I'll wait til it's released and read a few reviews then. I don't have much faith in previews, etc. I've been burned before by the "pre-release" reviews.

Malificent · 02-19-2003, 08:52 AM

Beta tester comments have been very positive, and the few early *reviews* have been glowing. It looks very deep and involving - I'm very excited to play it.

A-Husker-4-Life · 02-19-2003, 09:26 AM

Hey does anybody know if the combat is Turn-based or Real-time???

Blade · 02-19-2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by A-Husker-4-Life
Hey does anybody know if the combat is Turn-based or Real-time???

The actual combat is real time, but on a fleet level, not by individual ship. The Real time combat is supposed to have a very strategic feel to it, not a rush and attack like typical RTS games.

Bee · 02-19-2003, 09:48 AM

combat is real-time I believe. The reason given was turn-based would take too much time for larger battles.

Blade · 02-19-2003, 09:50 AM

I have been all over the IG boards and the Apolyton boards, and there is a lot of good stuff being said about it from the people with the advanced review copies...

It will be getting my money anyway. There are a few good reviews out already at IGN and UGO.

WSUCougar · 02-19-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
I'll wait til it's released and read a few reviews then. I don't have much faith in previews, etc. I've been burned before by the "pre-release" reviews.

What Bee said.

On a related note, anyone taken a look at the upcoming Galactic Civilizations? Has some intriguing elements to it.

Bee · 02-19-2003, 10:00 AM

Someone bought the beta of GalCiv and started a dynasty at the old board, but it never got off the ground (too bad). I thought seriously about getting it, but I don't have the patience to deal with crashes and stuff so I was going to wait until the game was released.

It does have some nice features. I really like the idea of having a United Planets Organization that can vote on different resolutions etc. Although I have my doubts it would be any more effective than the United Nations.

Also, I liked the idea of having different forms of government and having a Senate, etc. that your political party could lose control of and it affect your power in the game.

Lots of good ideas IMO.

A-Husker-4-Life · 02-19-2003, 01:32 PM

I have been waiting for this game for awhile... Now finally it's coming out... Praise the Lord

Blackadar · 02-19-2003, 05:49 PM

Another good review today. A- from UGO.

Blade · 02-19-2003, 06:13 PM

Here is another good review that came out today...

Orion Sector Review

Blackadar · 02-20-2003, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blade
Here is another good review that came out today...

Orion Sector Review

I know inherently that all reviews are biased, but this one seems even more so. Like a couple of fanboys reviewing the game.

Malificent · 02-20-2003, 07:09 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't use that review to make any decisions about the game - by the fanboys, for the fanboys. But that's ok. I'm sure more reviews will be a-coming.

Bee · 02-20-2003, 07:18 AM

After the game is released I think we'll see positive and negative reviews. I'm more interested in the negative reviews because those will show the weaknesses of the game. Based on that, I'll determine if those weaknesses are things that will truly bother me about the game or not.

Blade · 02-20-2003, 09:38 AM

A good thing to do is hang around the forums after the game is released...there are always a ton of gripes on the forums...really shows what people hate about the game.

Blackadar · 02-21-2003, 06:14 AM

I think that the quality of reivews is vastly superior after the game has been around a few weeks. Just look at the initial reviews for Black and White versus the later ones. However, it's usually ok if 5-6 reviews come out (including some non-fanboy ones) and they're all positive.

WSUCougar · 02-21-2003, 08:37 AM

I'll wait to see how the real-time combat is implemented, but I'd have to say at this point I'm disappointed they went that route. IMO, one of the great things about MOO2 was that you really got to see the effect of upgraded weapons & shields in turn-based combat. I loved the combat aspect. On the flip side, it was a big detriment to me in Space Empires IV that combat was so poorly portrayed, even though it was turn-based.

JPhillips · 02-21-2003, 10:02 AM

I just picked up Civ3 for PC for 4.99 and was quite amused that the manual had an ad for MOO3 coming in the first quarter of 2002!

Bee · 02-21-2003, 10:06 AM

Where did you get Civ3 for $5?

sachmo71 · 02-24-2003, 10:30 AM

Here is the A Vault review. The notes about the AI have me concerned. Especially the screenshot of combat...

http://www.avault.com/reviews/review...me=moo3&page=1

Craptacular · 02-24-2003, 10:48 AM

I've never played MOO before, and I haven't looked at any of the previews (yet), but I'm going to take a look at MOO3. My old college roommate was addicted to the first two, and I always meant to give the games a try, but never did. I'll probably wait for him to buy it and tell me what he thinks of it.

Tasan · 02-24-2003, 11:09 AM

Those screenshots look horrible. I'm a vet of the first two, having logged countless hours in MOO1 and not quite as many in MOO2. I don't understand how they could have messed up such a great formula for a game. I'd have been happy with just a small 'update' to the game, but it looks like they've gone and totally changed the game for the sake of change. I hate it when a franchise does this, it reminds me of the great mistake FPS: Football did with '99. Change for the sake of change is almost never good.

sachmo71 · 02-24-2003, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tasan
I don't understand how they could have messed up such a great formula for a game.

I think it has more to do with it being produced by a completely different publisher.

JPhillips · 02-24-2003, 04:32 PM

Bee: I got it at a Circuit City in Palm Springs. It was the original version not the "Game of the Year" edition. The GOTY edition was 29.99. I couldn't believe Civ 3 for 4.99, so I grabbed it right away. I also got Freedom Force for 12.99. Not as good, but still the best I had seen.

Tarkus · 02-24-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sachmo71
Here is the A Vault review. The notes about the AI have me concerned. Especially the screenshot of combat...

http://www.avault.com/reviews/review...me=moo3&page=1

Not a glowing review there.

Tarkus

Blackadar · 02-24-2003, 07:55 PM

Nope, that one gave me pause. Guess I'll wait a bit longer.

Blackadar · 02-26-2003, 05:41 AM

Ug. GamesDomain, whose reviews are usually spot-on, just bodyslammed this game in a review. Methinks it's going to be a stinker now...

cincyreds · 02-26-2003, 06:06 AM

gamespy only gave it a 76.....

http://www.gamespy.com/reviews/february03/moo3pc/

William Abner reviewed as well.

cincyreds · 02-26-2003, 06:07 AM

http://www.gamespy.com/reviews/february03/moo3pc/

Blade · 02-26-2003, 07:37 AM

Yep, I am getting very worried now...I was all pumped for this game, but the latest reviews have scared me off for the moment...

Bee · 02-26-2003, 09:41 AM

http://www.gamespy.com/reviews/february03/moo3pc/

Here's a fixed link.

B

Blackadar · 02-26-2003, 06:49 PM

The initial reviews were very positive. It really makes you wonder if they weren't paid or had alterior motives, because the later ones are so uniformly unflattering.

Tarkus · 02-26-2003, 06:55 PM

Could be they were told things that never materialized.

Tarkus

Blackadar · 02-26-2003, 07:04 PM

Yea, but those reviews were supposedly off the gold master. If they are off the beta, the review should clearly state that - and it's not a review, it's a preview. I think there's some underhanded shit going on...

WSUCougar · 02-28-2003, 08:57 AM

bump, for those that missed it

SplitPersonality1 · 02-28-2003, 01:59 PM

This thread is just downright depressing. I love the MOO series and still fire up a game of MOO2 very now and then.

Looks like I will join the ranks of the wait and see crowd. For me, it may be a case of wait forever, since I have a very limited game dollar that is already going to be stretched with the likes of CM4, the revised TD and possibly OOTP5.

Bummer.

Blade · 02-28-2003, 02:16 PM

Well, I have decided to get it and form my own opinion. I have heard both good and bad things...and I am using a gift certificate from Christmas anyway!

daedalus · 02-28-2003, 02:41 PM

I don't think it's necessarily a total loss. There are folks that seems to enjoy the game (admittedly, it IS early yet). What I can gather from the folks that do are that:

1) Don't expect this to be MoO2++. It's a new and different game.

2) Expect to put in a LOT of time into getting used to the concept, UI and gameplay. It seems to be trying to extend itself and the genre a bit.

3) Don't expect to be able to do everything yourself. It's a macromanagement game, not a micro- one. (Paging, Dr Anrhy . . . )

4) Expect to have to look around for information. The manual apparently sucks tremendously.

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackadar
Ug. GamesDomain, whose reviews are usually spot-on, just bodyslammed this game in a review. Methinks it's going to be a stinker now...

Ya, I usually find myself agreeing with their reviews more than other sites (which means, the negative review by them worries me as well).

Well, y'know, except for that EA-FOF reviewer. Can't stand that guy.

02-18-2003, 08:55 PM	#3
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	For the uninformed of us, what's MOO? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-18-2003, 08:56 PM	#4
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Masters of Orion __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

02-18-2003, 09:04 PM	#5
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Aha, I see. Thanks. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-19-2003, 05:36 AM	#10
ACStrider High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Check out this website of a friend of mine. www.cowku.com. It has great cow haikus. __________________ "I'm evil." "Oh you are not!" "Oh I am too." -- Brak

02-19-2003, 08:52 AM	#14
Malificent High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Durham, NC, USA	Beta tester comments have been very positive, and the few early reviews have been glowing. It looks very deep and involving - I'm very excited to play it. __________________ Check out my Flickr photos.

02-18-2003, 08:53 PM	#2
Sporkimata High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kennewick WA	Im feeling pretty good with all the reviews so far myself. I have it prepaid and cant wait. Might have to get a Fofc Multiplayer game going of it....

02-18-2003, 09:04 PM	#6
Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	For those not familiar with this one, is it a space RTS? Tarkus

02-18-2003, 09:08 PM	#7
Sporkimata High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kennewick WA	Sorta. Kinda. Its a turn based game with real time ship combat.

02-18-2003, 10:07 PM	#8
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	what no cow jokes yet?

02-19-2003, 06:08 AM	#11
Chappy Mascot Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Erie, PA	I never played MOO2......I would assume it was as good or better than 1?

02-19-2003, 06:51 AM	#12
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm pretty skeptical. I'll wait for quite a while before giving this a try. It's too much of a hassle getting games delivered to Japan to risk a game that has been delayed for so long. I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs.

02-19-2003, 06:58 AM	#13
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I'll wait til it's released and read a few reviews then. I don't have much faith in previews, etc. I've been burned before by the "pre-release" reviews.

02-19-2003, 09:26 AM	#15
A-Husker-4-Life College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nebraska	Hey does anybody know if the combat is Turn-based or Real-time??? __________________ JJ Smitty Owner of the TheC.F.L. - Come by and check us out.

02-19-2003, 09:48 AM	#17
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	combat is real-time I believe. The reason given was turn-based would take too much time for larger battles.

02-19-2003, 09:50 AM	#18
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	I have been all over the IG boards and the Apolyton boards, and there is a lot of good stuff being said about it from the people with the advanced review copies... It will be getting my money anyway. There are a few good reviews out already at IGN and UGO. __________________ Just trying to get by unnoticed... Loyal fan of the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Eagles.

02-19-2003, 10:00 AM	#20
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Someone bought the beta of GalCiv and started a dynasty at the old board, but it never got off the ground (too bad). I thought seriously about getting it, but I don't have the patience to deal with crashes and stuff so I was going to wait until the game was released. It does have some nice features. I really like the idea of having a United Planets Organization that can vote on different resolutions etc. Although I have my doubts it would be any more effective than the United Nations. Also, I liked the idea of having different forms of government and having a Senate, etc. that your political party could lose control of and it affect your power in the game. Lots of good ideas IMO.

02-19-2003, 01:32 PM	#21
A-Husker-4-Life College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nebraska	I have been waiting for this game for awhile... Now finally it's coming out... Praise the Lord __________________ JJ Smitty Owner of the TheC.F.L. - Come by and check us out.

02-19-2003, 05:49 PM	#22
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Another good review today. A- from UGO.

02-19-2003, 06:13 PM	#23
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Here is another good review that came out today... Orion Sector Review

02-20-2003, 07:09 AM	#25
Malificent High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Durham, NC, USA	Yeah, I wouldn't use that review to make any decisions about the game - by the fanboys, for the fanboys. But that's ok. I'm sure more reviews will be a-coming. __________________ Check out my Flickr photos.

02-20-2003, 07:18 AM	#26
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	After the game is released I think we'll see positive and negative reviews. I'm more interested in the negative reviews because those will show the weaknesses of the game. Based on that, I'll determine if those weaknesses are things that will truly bother me about the game or not.

02-20-2003, 09:38 AM	#27
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	A good thing to do is hang around the forums after the game is released...there are always a ton of gripes on the forums...really shows what people hate about the game. __________________ Just trying to get by unnoticed... Loyal fan of the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Eagles.

02-21-2003, 06:14 AM	#28
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	I think that the quality of reivews is vastly superior after the game has been around a few weeks. Just look at the initial reviews for Black and White versus the later ones. However, it's usually ok if 5-6 reviews come out (including some non-fanboy ones) and they're all positive.

02-21-2003, 08:37 AM	#29
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I'll wait to see how the real-time combat is implemented, but I'd have to say at this point I'm disappointed they went that route. IMO, one of the great things about MOO2 was that you really got to see the effect of upgraded weapons & shields in turn-based combat. I loved the combat aspect. On the flip side, it was a big detriment to me in Space Empires IV that combat was so poorly portrayed, even though it was turn-based. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

02-21-2003, 10:02 AM	#30
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I just picked up Civ3 for PC for 4.99 and was quite amused that the manual had an ad for MOO3 coming in the first quarter of 2002! __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-21-2003, 10:06 AM	#31
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Where did you get Civ3 for $5?

02-24-2003, 10:30 AM	#32
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Here is the A Vault review. The notes about the AI have me concerned. Especially the screenshot of combat... http://www.avault.com/reviews/review...me=moo3&page=1 Last edited by sachmo71 : 02-24-2003 at 10:30 AM.

02-24-2003, 10:48 AM	#33
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	I've never played MOO before, and I haven't looked at any of the previews (yet), but I'm going to take a look at MOO3. My old college roommate was addicted to the first two, and I always meant to give the games a try, but never did. I'll probably wait for him to buy it and tell me what he thinks of it.

02-24-2003, 11:09 AM	#34
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	Those screenshots look horrible. I'm a vet of the first two, having logged countless hours in MOO1 and not quite as many in MOO2. I don't understand how they could have messed up such a great formula for a game. I'd have been happy with just a small 'update' to the game, but it looks like they've gone and totally changed the game for the sake of change. I hate it when a franchise does this, it reminds me of the great mistake FPS: Football did with '99. Change for the sake of change is almost never good. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

02-24-2003, 04:32 PM	#36
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Bee: I got it at a Circuit City in Palm Springs. It was the original version not the "Game of the Year" edition. The GOTY edition was 29.99. I couldn't believe Civ 3 for 4.99, so I grabbed it right away. I also got Freedom Force for 12.99. Not as good, but still the best I had seen. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-24-2003, 07:55 PM	#38
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Nope, that one gave me pause. Guess I'll wait a bit longer.

02-26-2003, 05:41 AM	#39
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Ug. GamesDomain, whose reviews are usually spot-on, just bodyslammed this game in a review. Methinks it's going to be a stinker now...

02-26-2003, 06:06 AM	#40
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	gamespy only gave it a 76..... http://www.gamespy.com/reviews/february03/moo3pc/ William Abner reviewed as well. __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

02-26-2003, 06:07 AM	#41
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	http://www.gamespy.com/reviews/february03/moo3pc/ __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

02-26-2003, 07:37 AM	#42
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Yep, I am getting very worried now...I was all pumped for this game, but the latest reviews have scared me off for the moment... __________________ Just trying to get by unnoticed... Loyal fan of the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Eagles.