BBCF Demo updated and final version 1.51 released

Arles · 11-24-2006, 04:09 PM

I've updated the single season demo of BBCF to version 1.51. You can download the full install here (~40 MB):

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBInstalldemo.exe

If you have a prior version of the demo installed, I would uninstall it first and then install the new one.

Here's the final update for 1.51 (15 MB):

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdate.exe

-Fixed issues with inseason player development
-Corrected the number of recruiting scholarships used in some instances
-Updated the budget process (overall and recruiting) to tie more into performance.
-Changed season grades for playoff leagues to be more accurate, esp. for teams that advanced further in the playoff.

Here's the thread on 1.50 with more info on what has changed in the entire update from 1.11:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...ad.php?t=18662

I. J. Reilly · 11-24-2006, 04:26 PM

Thanks Arlie, I've started playing again with 1.50 and haven't stopped. Love the game, great job!

MizzouRah · 11-24-2006, 04:39 PM

It's been quite a nice day for the text sim fan.

mooreadamc · 11-24-2006, 04:54 PM

Played the old demo and really enjoyed it. Are there plans for a new version? I'm assuming that it would not be until next year at the earliest if there were?

Atocep · 11-24-2006, 05:21 PM

This has probably been said here or elsewhere, but I wanted to say it myself.

Arlie, thank you for putting this update together and releasing it as a free patch/update. It would have been easy to take this update and just release it as a "new" version of the game and get quite a few customers. This goes above and beyond what anyone would consider necessary for a game that's a year old.

cartman · 11-24-2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mooreadamc

Played the old demo and really enjoyed it. Are there plans for a new version? I'm assuming that it would not be until next year at the earliest if there were?

He's announced that he is going to be developing his pro football sim as his next project.

Emiliano · 11-24-2006, 05:33 PM

Thanks Arlie!

Pumpy Tudors · 11-24-2006, 06:10 PM

I am getting problems with the game being unable to start because setup.dat and/or pstats.dat are inaccessible. I can't even get a new game started, and I'm using the default files.

Edit: This is with version 1.50.

Arles · 11-24-2006, 06:15 PM

Try to manually delete the setup.dat and stats.dat file and then start a new career. I'm guessing one of these files is locked and not allowing the game to overwrite them when you start a new game.

Schmidty · 11-24-2006, 06:37 PM

This game is so underrated.

Arles · 11-24-2006, 08:48 PM

I appreciate the comments guys. We also have exciting news in that Grey Dog Software has put out an ad in PC Gamer for two different issues (Holiday 2006 and Jan 2007).

So, check it out if you get a chance (it's page 118 in the current holiday issue).

Pumpy Tudors · 11-24-2006, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles

Try to manually delete the setup.dat and stats.dat file and then start a new career. I'm guessing one of these files is locked and not allowing the game to overwrite them when you start a new game.

Still not working for me. Should I maybe reinstall the game into the default directory? I have it installed on a different drive besides C:.

Arles · 11-24-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Still not working for me. Should I maybe reinstall the game into the default directory? I have it installed on a different drive besides C:.

Yeah, in addition to what I said in the PM, you can try to install it in the default folder. Although, location shouldn't matter (I never use the default folder for my test PC).

Pumpy Tudors · 11-24-2006, 11:07 PM

Working now. Thanks for the help, Arlie!

Arles · 11-25-2006, 09:26 AM

Glad everything worked out!

Arles · 11-26-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

He's announced that he is going to be developing his pro football sim as his next project.

Yeah, to follow up here, I will be setting up a Bowl Bound Pro Football forum sometime next week to start getting some ideas.

Airhog · 11-26-2006, 10:17 AM

Darn, Tried to install this demo, thinking that it might work on my machine finally, but it crashes. Oh well, I guess I was just not meant to play this college football sim

Arles · 11-26-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airhog

Darn, Tried to install this demo, thinking that it might work on my machine finally, but it crashes. Oh well, I guess I was just not meant to play this college football sim

What was the problem?

Airhog · 11-26-2006, 11:47 AM

It crashes when I click on the create new league button

RTE -2147024770 Automation Error, The specified module could not be found.

It looks like it cannot find one of the dll files or something similar Arles. I ran dependency Walker, and this line is causing the RTE

00:00:03.391: GetProcAddress(0x75E90000 [c:\windows\system32\SXS.DLL], "SxsOleAut32MapReferenceClsidToConfiguredClsid") called from "c:\windows\system32\OLEAUT32.DLL" at address 0x7712E876 and returned 0x75EB764D by thread 1.
00:00:03.391: LoadLibraryExW("blank", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) called from "c:\windows\system32\OLE32.DLL" at address 0x7752E1B1 by thread 1.
00:00:03.391: LoadLibraryExW("blank", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) returned NULL by thread 1. Error: The specified module could not be found (126).
00:00:03.391: First chance exception 0xC000008F (Float Inexact Result) occurred in "c:\windows\system32\KERNEL32.DLL" at address 0x7C812A5B by thread 1.
00:00:03.407: First chance exception 0xC000008F (Float Inexact Result) occurred in "c:\windows\system32\KERNEL32.DLL" at address 0x7C812A5B by thread 1.
00:00:03.407: LoadLibraryExW("C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVBVM60.DLL", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) called from "c:\windows\system32\USER32.DLL" at address 0x77D5E2F5 by thread 1.
00:00:03.407: LoadLibraryExW("C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVBVM60.DLL", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) returned 0x66000000 by thread 1.

If you want, I can send you the installation log file, and the dependency walker log file. I have tried all of the fixes for these types of problems on your Forums over at Greydog, but none of them fixed it.

Arles · 11-26-2006, 12:12 PM

The game does try and install a version of the OLEAUT32.dll, but it's an older one (version 2.40.4275.1) and it won't install you have a later version already. The version I have is 5.1.2600.2180.

What version is yours? (should be in windows/system32)

Airhog · 11-26-2006, 12:21 PM

Ive got the same version as you Arles

Airhog · 11-26-2006, 12:25 PM

Here is an abbrieviated version of my install.log Minus all of the GDS files that are installed

*** Installation Started 11/26/2006 11:47 ***
Title: Bowl Bound College Football Demo Installation
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Shared DLL counter ignored:
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Made Dir: C:\DOCUME~1\Airhog\LOCALS~1\Temp\MDACTMP
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Date/Time: Following file not copied.
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File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet35.dll
File Copy: D:\Program Files\GDS\Bowl Bound College Football\UNWISE.EXE
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RegDB Name: UninstallString
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File Copy: D:\Program Files\GDS\Bowl Bound College Football\htmlfiles\styles.css
Made Dir: C:\Documents and Settings\Airhog\Start Menu\Programs\Grey Dog Software
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Arles · 11-26-2006, 01:46 PM

A couple things:

First, send me an email at [email protected] with your version of this file: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ovsCombo2D.ocx

Next, see if the game will install on your C drive. It shouldn't matter, but someone had an issue that was solved by doing that.

John Galt · 11-26-2006, 07:04 PM

Well, I picked up the game again with the new update. I was enjoying my first season. I'm really not sure how things like in-season recruiting will shake out yet, but its interesting. But then I hit a bug which has stopped my career in its tracks. Somehow, during recruiting, I ended up with -1 scholarships during week 16. I look at all players with scholarship offers and none show up. I did have two transfers if that matters. But I tried switching to AI controlled recruiting and it can't fix the problem. You can't cut a player during recruiting, so that solution failed. So, I have -1 scholarships and the game won't let me advance a week.

TazFTW · 11-26-2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Galt

Well, I picked up the game again with the new update. I was enjoying my first season. I'm really not sure how things like in-season recruiting will shake out yet, but its interesting. But then I hit a bug which has stopped my career in its tracks. Somehow, during recruiting, I ended up with -1 scholarships during week 16. I look at all players with scholarship offers and none show up. I did have two transfers if that matters. But I tried switching to AI controlled recruiting and it can't fix the problem. You can't cut a player during recruiting, so that solution failed. So, I have -1 scholarships and the game won't let me advance a week.

I believe this is the same problem reported over at Grey Dog, http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...2&postcount=15

John Galt · 11-26-2006, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

I believe this is the same problem reported over at Grey Dog, http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...2&postcount=15

Thanks. Do you happen to know where the player editor Arlie is referring to? Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I have no idea how to implement that fix.

John Galt · 11-26-2006, 08:09 PM

dola, I'm also confused why Arlie thinks this won't happen in future seasons. I got the result after downloading the patch today and starting a brand new season. Does that mean it won't happen again when I start a new career? If so, that's one odd bug.

TheOhioStateUniversity · 11-26-2006, 08:34 PM

I'm looking into purchasing this game, can anyone chime in on how accurately it simulates college football?

st.cronin · 11-26-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOhioStateUniversity

I'm looking into purchasing this game, can anyone chime in on how accurately it simulates college football?

Looks pretty solid to me, although I haven't done any hard-core analysis.

TazFTW · 11-26-2006, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Galt

Thanks. Do you happen to know where the player editor Arlie is referring to? Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I have no idea how to implement that fix.

You click on the Options button (not the Game Options button), player editor is the third thing listed.

Cork · 11-26-2006, 10:44 PM

Looks like there is no editor in the demo.

-Cork

Arles · 11-27-2006, 12:48 AM

(From the GDS site)

To be on the safe side (esp for existing MP leagues and those using the demo), I've updated both the retail 1.51 and the demo to remove the scholarship check causing some people to get "stucK". I've added an internal check that may correct the situation after people advance (if it indeed needs correcting, but it will not stop people from advancing).

You can get the updated retail version here:

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdate.exe

I also added just the demo EXE for people running the 1.51 demo:

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdateDemo.exe

For anyone that has not upgraded to 1.51, the full installs for both the demo and retail have the updated EXE now.

John Galt · 11-27-2006, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles

(From the GDS site)

To be on the safe side (esp for existing MP leagues and those using the demo), I've updated both the retail 1.51 and the demo to remove the scholarship check causing some people to get "stucK". I've added an internal check that may correct the situation after people advance (if it indeed needs correcting, but it will not stop people from advancing).

You can get the updated retail version here:

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdate.exe

I also added just the demo EXE for people running the 1.51 demo:

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdateDemo.exe

For anyone that has not upgraded to 1.51, the full installs for both the demo and retail have the updated EXE now.

Thanks. I'll check it out tonight.

John Galt · 11-27-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

You click on the Options button (not the Game Options button), player editor is the third thing listed.

I never knew there was a player editor in the game. Thanks.

Arles · 11-27-2006, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Galt

Thanks. I'll check it out tonight.

No problem. A couple people had the same problem with the demo so I wanted to update the game to be safe.

Thanks

st.cronin · 11-27-2006, 11:33 AM

I was playing last night and noticed that at least one player who I had redshirted was listed on the depth chart (2nd string qb). On the roster screen, he was clearly shown as redshirting. I manually cleared him off the depth chart, so I don't know what would have happened had he played.

Airhog · 11-27-2006, 11:42 AM

Finally was able to get my copy to run. here is what I did

How to Repair MDAC 2.81 under Windows XP with SP21. In Windows Explorer, open the c:\Windows\Inf folder.

Note If you cannot see the c:\Windows\Inf folder, follow these steps: a. Click Start, click My Computer, and then click Folder Options on the Tools menu.
b. Click the View tab.
c. Under Advanced settings, click Show hidden files and folders.
d. Click to clear the Hide extensions for known file types check box.
e. Click Apply, and then click OK.

2. In the c:\Windows\Inf folder, right-click the Mdac.inf file, and then click Install.

3. When you are prompted to insert the Windows XP SP2 CD, use one of the following methods: I. If you have a Windows XP SP2 CD:
a. Insert the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD in the CD or DVD drive.
Note If a "Welcome to Microsoft Windows XP" message appears, click Exit.
b. Click Browse.
c. In the File name box, type CD or DVD drive that contains the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD drive letter:\i386. For example, type d:\i386 if the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD is in drive D.
d. Click Open.

II. If you do not have a Windows XP SP2 CD:
a. In the File name box, type %systemroot%\windows\servicepackfiles\i386, and then click Open.
b. When prompted for adcjavas.inc, point to C:\Windows\servicepackfiles\i386
Note: If you cannot find this folder put the Windows CD into your CD drive and browse for that file.
c. When prompted for the file handler.reg, either point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\msadc, or put the Windows XP CD in your CD-ROM drive.
d. When prompted for MDACRdMe.htm, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\Ado. If this file is not present rename the file MDACReadme.htm to MDACRdMe.htm.
e. When prompted for oledbjvs.inc, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\Ole DB.
f. When prompted for mssoap1.dll, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\MSSoap\Binaries.
g. When prompted for mssoapr.dll, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\MSSoap\Binaries (or below its subfolders).

4. You may also be prompted for the original Windows XP CD that was used to install the operating system. a. Insert the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD in the CD or DVD drive.
Note If a "Welcome to Microsoft Windows XP" message appears, click Exit.
b. Click Browse.
c. In the File name box, type CD or DVD drive that contains the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD drive letter:\i386. For example, type d:\i386 if the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD is in drive D.
d. Click Open.

Note: In the case you cannot find those files in the given folders search the whole hard disk for them.

Arles · 11-27-2006, 12:26 PM

Airhog, you got a PM. Thanks for all your help.

John Galt · 11-28-2006, 09:11 AM

The new version fixed the problem last night. Thanks!

John Galt · 12-03-2006, 09:56 AM

I have been playing the updated version for a few days now. I think it is by and large a very good game. But the polls continue to annoy me such that I'm putting the game down.

One small thing is that in the new version, red-shirted players sometimes appear in the depth chart and actually play in the games. Worse, they don't seem to lose their redshirt status. I've noticed this at QB and RB, but it may happen at other positions as well.

The polls, though, are a sticking point for me. In this season, I just played my 5th game as Iowa. I was the preseason consensus number 1 team in both polls. After 5 games, Iowa is 5-0. After week 4, I was still number 1 in both polls. In Week 5, I just whupped the crap out of 5th ranked Michigan at home by the score of 50-0. So, what happens. Here is the media poll:

1. Purdue 4-0 (previous 2nd) after beating unranked Illinois 41-23 at home.
2. USC 3-0 (previously 3rd) after beating unranked Washington 31-19 at home.
3. Iowa 5-0 (previously 1st) after beating 5th ranked Michigan at home 50-0.

My overall SOS is 1st in the nation. I've beaten 2 ranked teams (5th ranked Michigan and 19th ranked Michigan St. on the road).

Seriously, wtf?

I wouldn't be as upset if these sort of things worked themselves out by the end of the season. However, I'm coming off a season where I won the national championship against USC. That USC team had lost 2 games coming into the championship. Meanwhile, undefeated Pittsburgh and 1-loss UNC were forced to watch the championship on TV. Polling just seems all over the place. I've had a couple seasons where I was the preseason 1st ranked team, but dropped as low as 7th while never losing a game (while 3 1-loss teams are ahead of me). It's just weird.

I just continue to feel that this a very good game ruined by its bad polling system (which is unfortunately very important to a college football game). Hopefully, whenever the next version of the game comes out, polling will be redone completely.

Arles · 12-04-2006, 11:08 AM

Here's a beta version of 1.52:

"After seeing all the tech support comments and feedback on 1.51, I am going to do a 1.52. Here are the main pieces:

1. Fix the redshirt issue - players should no longer become sometimes eligible when they redshirt.

2. Improve the polls - esp early weeks. There was an issue with top teams sometimes swapping early in the season for no apparent reason. This usually worked itself out by week 8 or 9, but this update should address it as well.

3. Fixed the Home and Home issue where sometimes you would end up with two road games.

4. Adjusted recruiting one more time to have players be more picky when it comes to teams stacked with talent.

5. Improved the last recruiting email to include all players under scholarship added (sometimes players would join after the email was made in 1.51).

6. Added a complete recruit class ranking tracking system. There will be a new table in the stats.db (done on the fly) that shows the number of 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 star players each team recruited, an average rating, a total and a score. It will also store the ranking for the team that year. This info will be stored after each season's recruiting and will be accessible in game.

7. Improved conference movement. You should see much more movement overall, especially on the high setting.

8. Fixed an engine issue where kickers would sometimes miss close fields goals "short" in the PBP.

9. Fixed an issue that could cause games to sim weeks without playing some games. I will need some verification help, though, as there may be more reasons for it outside of the one I fixed.

Here's the link:

www.greydogsoftware.com/downloads/bb2005.zip

Just download it and unzip it over your existing bb2005.exe in your game folder. Also, in order to see the new recruit class info, you need to advance past the end of recruiting with the new version."

John Galt · 12-04-2006, 11:32 AM

That's good to hear. I'll give it another go especially if the polls have improved.

astrosfan64 · 12-04-2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

This game is so underrated.

Agreed

Arles · 12-14-2006, 08:53 AM

Update 1.52 is now live. Here are the main changes:

1. Fix the redshirt issue - players should no longer become sometimes eligible when they redshirt.

2. Improve the polls - esp early weeks. There was an issue with top teams sometimes swapping early in the season for no apparent reason. This usually worked itself out by week 8 or 9, but this update should address it as well.

3. Fixed the Home and Home issue where sometimes you would end up with two road games.

4. Adjusted recruiting one more time to have players be more picky when it comes to teams stacked with talent.

5. Improved the last recruiting email to include all players under scholarship added (sometimes players would join after the email was made in 1.51).

6. Added a complete recruit class ranking tracking system. There will be a new table in the stats.db (done on the fly) that shows the number of 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 star players each team recruited, an average rating, a total and a score. It will also store the ranking for the team that year. This info will be stored after each season's recruiting and will be accessible in game.

7. Improved conference movement. You should see much more movement overall, especially on the high setting.

8. Fixed an engine issue where kickers would sometimes miss close fields goals "short" in the PBP.

9. Fixed an issue that could cause games to sim weeks without playing some games.

Here's the link:
http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdate.exe

Icy · 12-14-2006, 12:56 PM

Oustanding support after all this time past since BBCF was relased Arlie.

Arles · 12-17-2006, 06:39 PM

Just an FYI, but the demo is now fully updated to the regular game. You can download it here:

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBInstalldemo.exe

If you have version 1.50 or 1.51 of the demo already installed, you can download just the EXE update here:

http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdateDemo.exe

Schmidty · 12-19-2006, 02:53 PM

I'm looking for usable mods for this version. I want real logos, team names, etc.

Does anyone know where I can find something like that?

JPhillips · 12-19-2006, 03:13 PM

Check this thread.

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...ead.php?t=9935

Schmidty · 12-19-2006, 03:15 PM

Yeah, I saw that, but the post containing the link hasn't been updated last January. I'm assuming the file is no longer compatible.

Tim Tellean · 12-19-2006, 03:25 PM

maybe if you visited the grey dog site you could get information?

11-24-2006, 04:39 PM	#3
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	It's been quite a nice day for the text sim fan. Last edited by MizzouRah : 11-24-2006 at 04:39 PM.

11-24-2006, 05:33 PM	#7
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	Thanks Arlie! __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

11-24-2006, 06:10 PM	#8
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I am getting problems with the game being unable to start because setup.dat and/or pstats.dat are inaccessible. I can't even get a new game started, and I'm using the default files. Edit: This is with version 1.50. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor. Last edited by Pumpy Tudors : 11-24-2006 at 06:10 PM.

11-24-2006, 06:15 PM	#9
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Try to manually delete the setup.dat and stats.dat file and then start a new career. I'm guessing one of these files is locked and not allowing the game to overwrite them when you start a new game. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-24-2006, 08:48 PM	#11
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I appreciate the comments guys. We also have exciting news in that Grey Dog Software has put out an ad in PC Gamer for two different issues (Holiday 2006 and Jan 2007). So, check it out if you get a chance (it's page 118 in the current holiday issue). __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-24-2006, 04:26 PM	#2
I. J. Reilly College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: An Oregonian deep in the heart of Texas.	Thanks Arlie, I've started playing again with 1.50 and haven't stopped. Love the game, great job!

11-24-2006, 04:54 PM	#4
mooreadamc Mascot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Canada	Played the old demo and really enjoyed it. Are there plans for a new version? I'm assuming that it would not be until next year at the earliest if there were?

11-24-2006, 05:21 PM	#5
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	This has probably been said here or elsewhere, but I wanted to say it myself. Arlie, thank you for putting this update together and releasing it as a free patch/update. It would have been easy to take this update and just release it as a "new" version of the game and get quite a few customers. This goes above and beyond what anyone would consider necessary for a game that's a year old.

11-24-2006, 06:37 PM	#10
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	This game is so underrated.

11-24-2006, 11:07 PM	#14
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Working now. Thanks for the help, Arlie! __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

11-25-2006, 09:26 AM	#15
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Glad everything worked out! __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-26-2006, 10:17 AM	#17
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Darn, Tried to install this demo, thinking that it might work on my machine finally, but it crashes. Oh well, I guess I was just not meant to play this college football sim __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-26-2006, 11:47 AM	#19
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	It crashes when I click on the create new league button RTE -2147024770 Automation Error, The specified module could not be found. It looks like it cannot find one of the dll files or something similar Arles. I ran dependency Walker, and this line is causing the RTE 00:00:03.391: GetProcAddress(0x75E90000 [c:\windows\system32\SXS.DLL], "SxsOleAut32MapReferenceClsidToConfiguredClsid") called from "c:\windows\system32\OLEAUT32.DLL" at address 0x7712E876 and returned 0x75EB764D by thread 1. 00:00:03.391: LoadLibraryExW("blank", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) called from "c:\windows\system32\OLE32.DLL" at address 0x7752E1B1 by thread 1. 00:00:03.391: LoadLibraryExW("blank", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) returned NULL by thread 1. Error: The specified module could not be found (126). 00:00:03.391: First chance exception 0xC000008F (Float Inexact Result) occurred in "c:\windows\system32\KERNEL32.DLL" at address 0x7C812A5B by thread 1. 00:00:03.407: First chance exception 0xC000008F (Float Inexact Result) occurred in "c:\windows\system32\KERNEL32.DLL" at address 0x7C812A5B by thread 1. 00:00:03.407: LoadLibraryExW("C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVBVM60.DLL", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) called from "c:\windows\system32\USER32.DLL" at address 0x77D5E2F5 by thread 1. 00:00:03.407: LoadLibraryExW("C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVBVM60.DLL", 0x00000000, LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH) returned 0x66000000 by thread 1. If you want, I can send you the installation log file, and the dependency walker log file. I have tried all of the fixes for these types of problems on your Forums over at Greydog, but none of them fixed it. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again! Last edited by Airhog : 11-26-2006 at 12:10 PM.

11-26-2006, 12:12 PM	#20
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	The game does try and install a version of the OLEAUT32.dll, but it's an older one (version 2.40.4275.1) and it won't install you have a later version already. The version I have is 5.1.2600.2180. What version is yours? (should be in windows/system32) __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-26-2006, 12:21 PM	#21
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Ive got the same version as you Arles __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-26-2006, 12:25 PM	#22
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Here is an abbrieviated version of my install.log Minus all of the GDS files that are installed * Installation Started 11/26/2006 11:47 * Title: Bowl Bound College Football Demo Installation Source: D:\temp\BBInstalldemo.exe RegDB Key: SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\DAO RegDB Val: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO RegDB Name: Path RegDB Root: 2 RegDB Old: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSJTER35.DLL File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSJINT35.DLL File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\Vb5db.dll File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\VBAR332.DLL Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt40.dll Made Dir: C:\DOCUME~1\Airhog\LOCALS~1\Temp\MDACTMP File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrepl35.dll File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\Msrd2x35.dll File Overwrite: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO\Dao35.cnt File Overwrite: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO\Dao35.hlp File Overwrite: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO\DAO350.DLL Date/Time: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO\DAO2535.TLB File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet35.dll File Copy: D:\Program Files\GDS\Bowl Bound College Football\UNWISE.EXE RegDB Key: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Bowl Bound College Football Demo RegDB Val: Bowl Bound College Football Demo RegDB Name: DisplayName RegDB Root: 2 RegDB Key: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Bowl Bound College Football Demo RegDB Val: D:\PROGRA~1\GDS\BOWLBO~1\UNWISE.EXE D:\PROGRA~1\GDS\BOWLBO~1\INSTALL.LOG RegDB Name: UninstallString RegDB Root: 2 Version: Following file not copied. Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\vbajet32.dll Version: Following file not copied. Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\stdole2.tlb File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ovsCombo2D.ocx Version: Following file not copied. Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\olepro32.dll Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\Odbcjet.hlp File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\Odbcjet.cnt Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msxbde40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswstr10.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswdat10.dll Version: Following file not copied. Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt40.dll Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mstext40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrepl40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrecr40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrd3x40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrd2x40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrclr40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mspbde40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msltus40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjter40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjint40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msexcl40.dll Version: Following file not copied. File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msexch40.dll Version: Following file not copied. Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\expsrv.dll Shared DLL counter ignored: File Overwrite: C:\WINDOWS\system32\comctl32.ocx File Copy: D:\Program Files\GDS\Bowl Bound College Football\htmlfiles\styles.css Made Dir: C:\Documents and Settings\Airhog\Start Menu\Programs\Grey Dog Software Shell Link: C:\Documents and Settings\Airhog\Start Menu\Programs\Grey Dog Software\Bowl Bound College Football.lnk Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\Msrd2x35.dll Self-Register: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\DAO\DAO350.DLL Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet35.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\olepro32.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\stdole2.tlb Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvbvm60.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mfc42.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSCOMCTL.OCX Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\comdlg32.ocx Self-Register: D:\PROGRA~1\GDS\BOWLBO~1\bb2005.exe Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\vbajet32.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\stdole2.tlb Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ovsCombo2D.ocx Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\olepro32.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msxbde40.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswstr10.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswdat10.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mstext40.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrepl40.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrecr40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrd3x40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrd2x40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msrclr40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mspbde40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msltus40.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjter40.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjint40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msjet40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msexcl40.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msexch40.dll Could not Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\expsrv.dll Self-Register: C:\WINDOWS\system32\comctl32.ocx RegDB Key: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Bowl Bound College Football Demo RegDB Val: Grey Dog Software RegDB Name: Publisher RegDB Root: 2 User Rights: Admin __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-26-2006, 01:46 PM	#23
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	A couple things: First, send me an email at [email protected] with your version of this file: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ovsCombo2D.ocx Next, see if the game will install on your C drive. It shouldn't matter, but someone had an issue that was solved by doing that. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-26-2006, 07:04 PM	#24
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	Well, I picked up the game again with the new update. I was enjoying my first season. I'm really not sure how things like in-season recruiting will shake out yet, but its interesting. But then I hit a bug which has stopped my career in its tracks. Somehow, during recruiting, I ended up with -1 scholarships during week 16. I look at all players with scholarship offers and none show up. I did have two transfers if that matters. But I tried switching to AI controlled recruiting and it can't fix the problem. You can't cut a player during recruiting, so that solution failed. So, I have -1 scholarships and the game won't let me advance a week. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude Last edited by John Galt : 11-26-2006 at 07:06 PM.

11-26-2006, 08:09 PM	#27
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	dola, I'm also confused why Arlie thinks this won't happen in future seasons. I got the result after downloading the patch today and starting a brand new season. Does that mean it won't happen again when I start a new career? If so, that's one odd bug. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

11-26-2006, 08:34 PM	#28
TheOhioStateUniversity High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus, GA via Columbus, OH	I'm looking into purchasing this game, can anyone chime in on how accurately it simulates college football? __________________ Buckeyes Football/Basketball >>>> Your Favorite School

11-26-2006, 10:44 PM	#31
Cork H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wisconsin	Looks like there is no editor in the demo. -Cork

11-27-2006, 12:48 AM	#32
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	(From the GDS site) To be on the safe side (esp for existing MP leagues and those using the demo), I've updated both the retail 1.51 and the demo to remove the scholarship check causing some people to get "stucK". I've added an internal check that may correct the situation after people advance (if it indeed needs correcting, but it will not stop people from advancing). You can get the updated retail version here: http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdate.exe I also added just the demo EXE for people running the 1.51 demo: http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdateDemo.exe For anyone that has not upgraded to 1.51, the full installs for both the demo and retail have the updated EXE now. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-27-2006, 11:33 AM	#36
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I was playing last night and noticed that at least one player who I had redshirted was listed on the depth chart (2nd string qb). On the roster screen, he was clearly shown as redshirting. I manually cleared him off the depth chart, so I don't know what would have happened had he played. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-27-2006, 11:42 AM	#37
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Finally was able to get my copy to run. here is what I did How to Repair MDAC 2.81 under Windows XP with SP21. In Windows Explorer, open the c:\Windows\Inf folder. Note If you cannot see the c:\Windows\Inf folder, follow these steps: a. Click Start, click My Computer, and then click Folder Options on the Tools menu. b. Click the View tab. c. Under Advanced settings, click Show hidden files and folders. d. Click to clear the Hide extensions for known file types check box. e. Click Apply, and then click OK. 2. In the c:\Windows\Inf folder, right-click the Mdac.inf file, and then click Install. 3. When you are prompted to insert the Windows XP SP2 CD, use one of the following methods: I. If you have a Windows XP SP2 CD: a. Insert the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD in the CD or DVD drive. Note If a "Welcome to Microsoft Windows XP" message appears, click Exit. b. Click Browse. c. In the File name box, type CD or DVD drive that contains the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD drive letter:\i386. For example, type d:\i386 if the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD is in drive D. d. Click Open. II. If you do not have a Windows XP SP2 CD: a. In the File name box, type %systemroot%\windows\servicepackfiles\i386, and then click Open. b. When prompted for adcjavas.inc, point to C:\Windows\servicepackfiles\i386 Note: If you cannot find this folder put the Windows CD into your CD drive and browse for that file. c. When prompted for the file handler.reg, either point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\msadc, or put the Windows XP CD in your CD-ROM drive. d. When prompted for MDACRdMe.htm, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\Ado. If this file is not present rename the file MDACReadme.htm to MDACRdMe.htm. e. When prompted for oledbjvs.inc, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\System\Ole DB. f. When prompted for mssoap1.dll, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\MSSoap\Binaries. g. When prompted for mssoapr.dll, point to C:\Program Files\Common Files\MSSoap\Binaries (or below its subfolders). 4. You may also be prompted for the original Windows XP CD that was used to install the operating system. a. Insert the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD in the CD or DVD drive. Note If a "Welcome to Microsoft Windows XP" message appears, click Exit. b. Click Browse. c. In the File name box, type CD or DVD drive that contains the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD drive letter:\i386. For example, type d:\i386 if the Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD is in drive D. d. Click Open. Note: In the case you cannot find those files in the given folders search the whole hard disk for them. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-27-2006, 12:26 PM	#38
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Airhog, you got a PM. Thanks for all your help. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-28-2006, 09:11 AM	#39
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	The new version fixed the problem last night. Thanks! __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

12-03-2006, 09:56 AM	#40
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	I have been playing the updated version for a few days now. I think it is by and large a very good game. But the polls continue to annoy me such that I'm putting the game down. One small thing is that in the new version, red-shirted players sometimes appear in the depth chart and actually play in the games. Worse, they don't seem to lose their redshirt status. I've noticed this at QB and RB, but it may happen at other positions as well. The polls, though, are a sticking point for me. In this season, I just played my 5th game as Iowa. I was the preseason consensus number 1 team in both polls. After 5 games, Iowa is 5-0. After week 4, I was still number 1 in both polls. In Week 5, I just whupped the crap out of 5th ranked Michigan at home by the score of 50-0. So, what happens. Here is the media poll: 1. Purdue 4-0 (previous 2nd) after beating unranked Illinois 41-23 at home. 2. USC 3-0 (previously 3rd) after beating unranked Washington 31-19 at home. 3. Iowa 5-0 (previously 1st) after beating 5th ranked Michigan at home 50-0. My overall SOS is 1st in the nation. I've beaten 2 ranked teams (5th ranked Michigan and 19th ranked Michigan St. on the road). Seriously, wtf? I wouldn't be as upset if these sort of things worked themselves out by the end of the season. However, I'm coming off a season where I won the national championship against USC. That USC team had lost 2 games coming into the championship. Meanwhile, undefeated Pittsburgh and 1-loss UNC were forced to watch the championship on TV. Polling just seems all over the place. I've had a couple seasons where I was the preseason 1st ranked team, but dropped as low as 7th while never losing a game (while 3 1-loss teams are ahead of me). It's just weird. I just continue to feel that this a very good game ruined by its bad polling system (which is unfortunately very important to a college football game). Hopefully, whenever the next version of the game comes out, polling will be redone completely. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

12-04-2006, 11:08 AM	#41
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Here's a beta version of 1.52: "After seeing all the tech support comments and feedback on 1.51, I am going to do a 1.52. Here are the main pieces: 1. Fix the redshirt issue - players should no longer become sometimes eligible when they redshirt. 2. Improve the polls - esp early weeks. There was an issue with top teams sometimes swapping early in the season for no apparent reason. This usually worked itself out by week 8 or 9, but this update should address it as well. 3. Fixed the Home and Home issue where sometimes you would end up with two road games. 4. Adjusted recruiting one more time to have players be more picky when it comes to teams stacked with talent. 5. Improved the last recruiting email to include all players under scholarship added (sometimes players would join after the email was made in 1.51). 6. Added a complete recruit class ranking tracking system. There will be a new table in the stats.db (done on the fly) that shows the number of 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 star players each team recruited, an average rating, a total and a score. It will also store the ranking for the team that year. This info will be stored after each season's recruiting and will be accessible in game. 7. Improved conference movement. You should see much more movement overall, especially on the high setting. 8. Fixed an engine issue where kickers would sometimes miss close fields goals "short" in the PBP. 9. Fixed an issue that could cause games to sim weeks without playing some games. I will need some verification help, though, as there may be more reasons for it outside of the one I fixed. Here's the link: www.greydogsoftware.com/downloads/bb2005.zip Just download it and unzip it over your existing bb2005.exe in your game folder. Also, in order to see the new recruit class info, you need to advance past the end of recruiting with the new version." __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

12-04-2006, 11:32 AM	#42
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	That's good to hear. I'll give it another go especially if the polls have improved. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

12-14-2006, 08:53 AM	#44
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Update 1.52 is now live. Here are the main changes: 1. Fix the redshirt issue - players should no longer become sometimes eligible when they redshirt. 2. Improve the polls - esp early weeks. There was an issue with top teams sometimes swapping early in the season for no apparent reason. This usually worked itself out by week 8 or 9, but this update should address it as well. 3. Fixed the Home and Home issue where sometimes you would end up with two road games. 4. Adjusted recruiting one more time to have players be more picky when it comes to teams stacked with talent. 5. Improved the last recruiting email to include all players under scholarship added (sometimes players would join after the email was made in 1.51). 6. Added a complete recruit class ranking tracking system. There will be a new table in the stats.db (done on the fly) that shows the number of 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 star players each team recruited, an average rating, a total and a score. It will also store the ranking for the team that year. This info will be stored after each season's recruiting and will be accessible in game. 7. Improved conference movement. You should see much more movement overall, especially on the high setting. 8. Fixed an engine issue where kickers would sometimes miss close fields goals "short" in the PBP. 9. Fixed an issue that could cause games to sim weeks without playing some games. Here's the link: http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdate.exe __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 12-17-2006 at 06:37 PM.

12-14-2006, 12:56 PM	#45
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Oustanding support after all this time past since BBCF was relased Arlie. __________________

12-17-2006, 06:39 PM	#46
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Just an FYI, but the demo is now fully updated to the regular game. You can download it here: http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBInstalldemo.exe If you have version 1.50 or 1.51 of the demo already installed, you can download just the EXE update here: http://72.29.67.246/GDS/BBUpdateDemo.exe __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

12-19-2006, 02:53 PM	#47
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I'm looking for usable mods for this version. I want real logos, team names, etc. Does anyone know where I can find something like that?

12-19-2006, 03:13 PM	#48
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Check this thread. http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...ead.php?t=9935 __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-19-2006, 03:15 PM	#49
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Yeah, I saw that, but the post containing the link hasn't been updated last January. I'm assuming the file is no longer compatible.