The Greatest Rock band ever

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 08:12 AM

In the week leading up to the Super Bowl the local classic rock radio station had a "Classic Rock Super Bowl" in which they would play 4-5 songs of two different bands each, then callers would decide which band they liked better and that band would advance in the tournament, or playoffs. Bands like Van Halen and Def Leppard squared off. In the end Floyd and Zepp went head to head. Unfortunately we have more Zepp-heads in the area than Floyd fans, and Zepp won. What a freaking 'jyp. Anyways I figured we could have the same type of thing. I guess a tournament of 32 bands would be good enough. If you guys an come up with some more then go for it. Here are some bands I figure we could include. Now this is Rock and Roll. No Beatles. The Beatles did not rock, they were a good pop band. Not Elvis, he was country. Just bands that F'ing rocked. I took a quick look at the spin top 50 Rock bands of all time and was disgusted by some of the bands they actualy considered to be Rock. Parliament? Are you kidding me? Public Enemy? You have to be joking right?

1. Pink Floyd
2. Guns n' Roses
3. Boston
4. Journey
5. Led Zeppelin
6. The Misfits
7. Bob Seger
8. TOOL
9. Metallica
10. Cream
11. Van Halen
12. Def Leppard
13. AC/DC
14. Fleetwood Mac
15. Alice in Chains
16. The Doors
17. U2
18. The Jimi Hendrix Experience
19. The Rolling Stones
20. KISS
21. The Who
22. Lynyrd Skynyrd
23. Billy Idol
24. Steppenwolf

I guess you guys can come up with another 8, 18, 28, or however many you like. I'm not too into the sonic youth scene, or bands like that. After we decide on a final list well have a tourney set up where we just match each band up with another one on one. Voting can go something like so.

Boston
over
Journey

Van Halen
over
AC/DC

We'll just add up the votes, say 50 people can vote per round (hopefuly this thing will go over well enough to get 50 per round), and we'll advance to the next.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 08:46 AM

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 08:53 AM

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 08:57 AM

Good lord Bragg, you have no genitalia!

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 08:58 AM

dola,

and a uniboob

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 08:58 AM

Alf · 02-03-2003, 10:34 AM

Red Hot Chilli Peppers

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 10:36 AM

Bragg,

My mistake. I did not realize your genitalia was on your face. What an odd genetic code you must have.

cthomer5000 · 02-03-2003, 10:40 AM

you would include the misfits, but leave off the clash?

clintl · 02-03-2003, 10:50 AM

Elvis and the Beatles were every bit as much rock and roll artists as almost any band on your list. My guess is that you don't like them and are excluding them because you think they might win.

Craptacular · 02-03-2003, 10:52 AM

How about?

Aerosmith
John (Cougar) Mellencamp
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
ZZ Top
Motley Crue

Tarkus · 02-03-2003, 10:54 AM

The Beatles were the greatest rock bad ever. Not even worth discussing anyone else. I guess that's the end of this thread.

Tarkus

Easy Mac · 02-03-2003, 10:55 AM

Journey? Boston?

Why don't you put Chicago up there, its like the same thing.

And where's the Rush love?

Ksyrup · 02-03-2003, 11:04 AM

After seeing them again last night and finally getting to meet them, #1 on my list was, is, and always will be:

KING'S X!

clintl · 02-03-2003, 11:05 AM

Not that I really want to participate that much, but:

Elvis Costello
The Ramones
Talking Heads
The Kinks
The Pretenders
The Dream Syndicate
The Velvet Underground
The New York Dolls
R.E.M.
The Pixies
Throwing Muses
Patti Smith
David Bowie
Siouxsie and the Banshees

scooper · 02-03-2003, 11:34 AM

uniboob?

Craptacular · 02-03-2003, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tarkus
The Beatles were the greatest rock bad ever. Not even worth discussing anyone else. I guess that's the end of this thread.

Tarkus

There are obviously enough people (myself included) that do not agree with that statement.

Tarkus · 02-03-2003, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craptacular
There are obviously enough people (myself included) that do not agree with that statement.

Then they obviously don't know squat about music. =)

Tarkus

Lathum · 02-03-2003, 11:46 AM

Bon Jovi and the rest of the hair bands?

McSweeny · 02-03-2003, 12:33 PM

the clash baby

IMetTrentGreen · 02-03-2003, 01:04 PM

uh, how about the rolling stones? no one else comes close

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clintl
Elvis and the Beatles were every bit as much rock and roll artists as almost any band on your list. My guess is that you don't like them and are excluding them because you think they might win.

Suggesting I dislike either one of those artists, especialy Elvis, is beyond sin. There is no doubt in my mind now. You will burn in hell.

astralhaze · 02-03-2003, 01:45 PM

So let me get this straight. Pink Floyd is rock and The Beatles aren't? And no Rolling Stones? Worst. Poll. Ever.

sabotai · 02-03-2003, 01:56 PM

The Beatles definatly were Rock and Roll. But they sucked...

Elvis was definatly Rock and Roll, and he is the King of Rock and Roll. But then again, Chuck Berry is the God of Rock and Roll.

I wouldn't say Elvis is country. Country evolved from Rock and Roll. Elvis is not country, but country derived a lot from Elvis and changed it around.

I agree with astral. Worst. Poll. Ever.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
Country evolved from Rock and Roll.

Huh?

Anrhydeddu · 02-03-2003, 01:59 PM

Other way around.

God of Rock and Roll is Buddy Holly.

mckerney · 02-03-2003, 02:07 PM

Weezer?

Patman · 02-03-2003, 02:07 PM

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Braggadocioussss

19. The Rolling Stones

Other than the fact that I made up this list in about 3 minutes with bands off of the top of my head....who said I didn't mention the Stones? I love the stones.

sabotai · 02-03-2003, 02:15 PM

"Huh?"

Country evolved from Rock and Roll.

Buddy Holly is the demigod of Rock and Roll. There's not beating Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry is the only absolute in the universe.

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 02:19 PM

Country did NOT evolve from Rock n' Roll. Country evolved from Bluegrass. Which has been around since the 1800's. If anything Rock evolved from Country.

I don't care what you say, the Beatles did not rock. If you think the fab four rocked, then you have absolutely no idea what that word means. They made incredible music that has stood the test of time. I love listening to their records as much as the next person. However placing the Beatles anywhere outside of Pop is a mistake.

Elvis is Country. Listen to the other country artists of his time. They sound nearly identical to him.

Edit*

Floyd was definetely a Rock n' Roll band. Listen to "The Wall". You can't honestly say Pink Floyd wasn't a Rock n' Roll Icon.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 02:24 PM

Bragg,

Think you must not be listening to the entire body of work put out by either Elvis or the Beatles.

sab,

Country was around a while before rock.

All Music

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edit: Bluegrass evolved from country, not the other way around.

3ric · 02-03-2003, 02:27 PM

What, no Nirvana? They aren't up there with AC/DC and Kiss, but they are top 10 at least.

McSweeny · 02-03-2003, 02:34 PM

i don't see why it matters what evolved from what or who rocked harder than what or what came first. All these lable are foolish. Music is music.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by McSweeny
Music is music.

even rap?

sabotai · 02-03-2003, 02:49 PM

Hmm, how about that. I never knew about Bluegrass music. Maybe because it sounds like some Uncle Jim Bob Joe sings on the porch of his hourse as he whittles.

I stand corrected.

Ok, fine, Elvis may sound like country back then, but he definatly had rock and roll influences. I still say Elvis should be included on any "Rock and Roll" list.

TestAmenT · 02-03-2003, 03:04 PM

All I can say is TestAmenT!!!!!!!!!!

Iron Maiden
Dream Theater
Black Label Society (Zakk Wyldes Book Of Shadows,etc)
'Tallica
Megadeth
Slayer

The list goes on.......

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 03:04 PM

Meh, I guess. I just can't imagine rocking out to any of the Kings tunes. I mean, there are just no air drums to play when "Love me tender" comes on.

clintl · 02-03-2003, 03:04 PM

Not only does country predate rock and roll by decades, but I think it's arguable that the first real rock and roll song was Hank Williams' "Move It On Over", which predated the movement by 7 or 8 years. Early rock and roll was really a hybrid of country and blues.

Braggadocioussss · 02-03-2003, 03:07 PM

Oh, I almost forgot the greatest rocker of all time.

Yngwie Malmstien

"You've unleashed the fucking fury!"

sabotai · 02-03-2003, 03:23 PM

Two Words. Burnin Love. Tow more words. Hound Dog.

And Yngwie Malmstien needs to be everyone's #1.

Tarkus · 02-03-2003, 03:35 PM

Okay, since you guys didn't take my word for it, maybe this will help.

"The impact of the Beatles - not only on rock & roll but on Western culture - is simply incalculable. As musicians, they proved that rock & roll could embrace a limitless variety of harmonies, structures and sounds; virtually every rock experiment has some precedent on Beatle records."
"Although many of their sales and attendance records have since been surpassed, no group has so radically transformed the sound and meaning of rock & roll."

- Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll

Now, can we end this?

Tarkus

P.S. Oooh, the smilies are back!

sabotai · 02-03-2003, 03:48 PM

Tarkus,

I would just like to add, the Beatles sucked. Thank you, that's all.

lcjjdnh · 02-03-2003, 04:26 PM

If you don't think the Beatles are rock than you really have not listened to all their music. I suggest picking up the White Album if you want to here their heaviest rock. How can you listen to Helter Skelter and tell me the Beatles are not rock and roll?

gnome · 02-03-2003, 04:57 PM

Dream Theater
Symphony X

Iceberg · 02-03-2003, 05:46 PM

The beatles are pop. That doesnt mean that they are not the greatest pop band of all time and possibly the greatest band of all time but they did not rock even on the white album.

Fritz · 02-03-2003, 05:51 PM

explain the difference between rock and pop please

clintl · 02-03-2003, 06:18 PM

The Beatles were one of the hardest rocking bands in the world during their early years. And whether you want to admit it or not, almost every band of any merit (including the Stones) followed their lead in the late '60s. In any case, they rocked as hard or harder than quite few bands on Bragg's original list, including:

Pink Floyd
Boston
Journey
Bob Seger
Fleetwood Mac
The Doors
U2

The fact that while they did it, they were enormously more creative than anyone else in rock and roll, and brought more different musical influences into the genre than probably all the other rock artists in history combined does make them not a rock band.

Craptacular · 02-03-2003, 06:48 PM

Remember folks, the word "great" means a lot of things to a lot of people: influential, successful, significant, grand, superior, skillful, etc. We all have different ideas about what makes something or someone "great". Do I agree that the Beatles may be the most influential band of all time? Sure. Do I think they were the greatest band ever? Heck no.

Schmidty · 02-03-2003, 06:54 PM

The best band ever isn't even on the list: Queen.

That omission alone totally nullifies any credibility it might have had.

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clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Elvis and the Beatles were every bit as much rock and roll artists as almost any band on your list. My guess is that you don't like them and are excluding them because you think they might win.

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Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	The Beatles were the greatest rock bad ever. Not even worth discussing anyone else. I guess that's the end of this thread. Tarkus

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Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Journey? Boston? Why don't you put Chicago up there, its like the same thing. And where's the Rush love?

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	After seeing them again last night and finally getting to meet them, #1 on my list was, is, and always will be: KING'S X! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Not that I really want to participate that much, but: Elvis Costello The Ramones Talking Heads The Kinks The Pretenders The Dream Syndicate The Velvet Underground The New York Dolls R.E.M. The Pixies Throwing Muses Patti Smith David Bowie Siouxsie and the Banshees

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IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	uh, how about the rolling stones? no one else comes close

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astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	So let me get this straight. Pink Floyd is rock and The Beatles aren't? And no Rolling Stones? Worst. Poll. Ever.

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sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	The Beatles definatly were Rock and Roll. But they sucked... Elvis was definatly Rock and Roll, and he is the King of Rock and Roll. But then again, Chuck Berry is the God of Rock and Roll. I wouldn't say Elvis is country. Country evolved from Rock and Roll. Elvis is not country, but country derived a lot from Elvis and changed it around. I agree with astral. Worst. Poll. Ever.

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Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	Other way around. God of Rock and Roll is Buddy Holly.

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sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	"Huh?" Country evolved from Rock and Roll. Buddy Holly is the demigod of Rock and Roll. There's not beating Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry is the only absolute in the universe.

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Braggadocioussss In The Penalty Box Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Country did NOT evolve from Rock n' Roll. Country evolved from Bluegrass. Which has been around since the 1800's. If anything Rock evolved from Country. I don't care what you say, the Beatles did not rock. If you think the fab four rocked, then you have absolutely no idea what that word means. They made incredible music that has stood the test of time. I love listening to their records as much as the next person. However placing the Beatles anywhere outside of Pop is a mistake. Elvis is Country. Listen to the other country artists of his time. They sound nearly identical to him. Edit* Floyd was definetely a Rock n' Roll band. Listen to "The Wall". You can't honestly say Pink Floyd wasn't a Rock n' Roll Icon. Last edited by Braggadocioussss : 02-03-2003 at 02:21 PM.

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Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Bragg, Think you must not be listening to the entire body of work put out by either Elvis or the Beatles. sab, Country was around a while before rock. All Music --- edit: Bluegrass evolved from country, not the other way around. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster Last edited by Fritz : 02-03-2003 at 02:32 PM.

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McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	i don't see why it matters what evolved from what or who rocked harder than what or what came first. All these lable are foolish. Music is music.

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sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Hmm, how about that. I never knew about Bluegrass music. Maybe because it sounds like some Uncle Jim Bob Joe sings on the porch of his hourse as he whittles. I stand corrected. Ok, fine, Elvis may sound like country back then, but he definatly had rock and roll influences. I still say Elvis should be included on any "Rock and Roll" list. Last edited by sabotai : 02-03-2003 at 02:52 PM.

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Braggadocioussss In The Penalty Box Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Oh, I almost forgot the greatest rocker of all time. Yngwie Malmstien "You've unleashed the fucking fury!"

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sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Two Words. Burnin Love. Tow more words. Hound Dog. And Yngwie Malmstien needs to be everyone's #1.

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Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	Okay, since you guys didn't take my word for it, maybe this will help. "The impact of the Beatles - not only on rock & roll but on Western culture - is simply incalculable. As musicians, they proved that rock & roll could embrace a limitless variety of harmonies, structures and sounds; virtually every rock experiment has some precedent on Beatle records." "Although many of their sales and attendance records have since been surpassed, no group has so radically transformed the sound and meaning of rock & roll." - Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll Now, can we end this? Tarkus P.S. Oooh, the smilies are back!

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sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Tarkus, I would just like to add, the Beatles sucked. Thank you, that's all.

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lcjjdnh College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NJ	If you don't think the Beatles are rock than you really have not listened to all their music. I suggest picking up the White Album if you want to here their heaviest rock. How can you listen to Helter Skelter and tell me the Beatles are not rock and roll?

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gnome n00b Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: France	Dream Theater Symphony X

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Iceberg H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kensington, MD	The beatles are pop. That doesnt mean that they are not the greatest pop band of all time and possibly the greatest band of all time but they did not rock even on the white album.