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A dozen 6-8 year olds accused of sexual assault.
I have absolutely no witty quip to make for this one.. except to say.. THE FUCK????????
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/10/gra....ap/index.html ST. LOUIS, Missouri (AP) -- Twelve boys in the first and second grade at a St. Louis elementary school are accused of sexually assaulting a second-grade girl during recess, authorities said Tuesday. One teacher who was supposed to be supervising the recess has been fired, and another suspended with pay, school superintendent Creg Williams said. Ten of the boys, ages 6 to 8, were suspended for the rest of the school year, and the other two received five-day, in-school suspensions. No names were released. The girl, who is 8, was unharmed physically but will not return for the rest of the school year. "We don't know what type of emotional scars it will have on the young lady," Williams said. The incident happened Friday at Columbia Accelerated Community Educational Center, a school with 400 students in pre-kindergarten through sixth grade on the city's north side. During the recess shortly after lunch, a student alerted a teacher when he saw several boys huddled around the girl who was on the ground. Police turned the investigation over to juvenile authorities. A court official said the boys could face misdemeanor counts of sexual misconduct and assault.
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What exactly makes this a Sexual Assault?
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guess what they were doing to the girl? I dunno.
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"During the recess shortly after lunch, a student alerted a teacher when he saw several boys huddled around the girl who was on the ground."
I think people can get an idea of what sexual nature that this picture can present. Granted, this is the only sentence that can explain how this can be sexual assualt. |
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Local newspaper has more details & an update
One Columbia Elementary School teacher was fired and another suspended with pay for a lack of attentiveness that St. Louis schools Superintendent Creg Williams said led to a possible sexual assault on a school playground Friday. Ten first- and second-grade boys thought to be responsible for the attack on an 8-year-old girl have been suspended for the rest of the school year, district officials said. Two others received in-school suspensions for five days each. The two boys who got the lesser punishment kissed the girl, a district official said. Other boys held her down. Authorities were trying to determine the extent of the sexual contact. The victim's great-aunt said that based on her conversations with the girl and with her own son, who was at the school that day, she believed the boys were trying to poke their fingers into her and that the girl was fighting to keep her underpants on. No charges had been filed, but all 12 boys - one 6-year-old, seven 7-year-olds and four 8-year-olds - are expected to be referred to the city's Family Court on misdemeanor charges of first-degree sexual misconduct and third-degree assault, said assistant court administrator Kathryn Herman. ... The superintendent said he disciplined the teachers - who were on playground duty Friday - after meeting Monday with the girl's family and Columbia administrators. "These individuals must be held accountable for the children left in their stead," Williams said at a Tuesday news conference. "I'm not messing around with this." The victim's great-aunt, serving as a spokesperson for the family, said the family did not want the teachers involved fired because the family did not want the teachers' lives and careers ruined. "We don't want an eye for an eye," the great-aunt said. "We just want this situation to be handled in the right way, and we want it in a timely manner." That would mean a reprimand, a suspension and a stern lesson learned, she said, plus counseling for the boys involved.
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Maybe they had their penises out or something. It said the girl was unharmed physically, so it was probably a "I'll show you mine, you show me yours", except the girl didn't want to.
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Subject to more details emerging, tenative props to the superintendent for taking action instead of trying to cover up the situation.
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I don't know if I'd be as understanding as the great Aunt. If my daughter suffered an attempted sexual violation at recess A) I'd take her the hell out of that school. B) Sue the asses of the teachers who weren't doing their job C) Wonder where in the hell 6-8 year olds get the idea to do something like that.
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Holy crap! That poor girl .
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They knocked the girl down; then held her down as their friends took turns penetrating her with their fingers. I am pretty sure that is rape. |
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Based on Missouri state law (from hxxp://www.missouri.edu/~sls/sls/lc/wwwTips/SexOffenses.html):
Section 566.010 Chapter Definitions (1) "Deviate sexual intercourse" means any act involving the genitals of one person and the mouth, tongue, or anus of another person or a sexual act involving the penetration, however slight, of the male or female sex organ or the anus by a finger, instrument or object done for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of any person; Section 566.060 Forcible sodomy 1. A person commits the crime of forcible sodomy if such person has deviate sexual intercourse with another person by the use of forcible compulsion. Forcible compulsion includes the use of a substance administered without a victim's knowledge or consent which renders the victim physically or mentally impaired so as to be incapable of making an informed consent to sexual intercourse. 2. Forcible sodomy or an attempt to commit forcible sodomy is a felony for which the authorized term of imprisonment is life imprisonment or a term of years not less than five years, unless in the course thereof the actor inflicts serious physical injury or displays a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument in a threatening manner or subjects the victim to sexual intercourse or deviate sexual intercourse with more than one person, in which case the authorized term of imprisonment is life imprisonment or a term of years not less than ten years. Comment: Again, forcible compulsion can be: physical force that overcomes reasonable resistance, or a threat that places a person in reasonable fear of death, serious physical injury or kidnapping. This statute is used to prosecute forced deviate sex between two people, which is any form of sexual intercourse other than penile penetration of the vagina. Sexual intercourse with animals used to be included in this crime, but has since been removed and is not found in any other criminal statute. Seems pretty clear to me, if they can prove this occurred.
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From what I read, it sounded like there wasn't penetration just the attempt (although it's not clear). |
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Did a quick look-up of the school involved ... most recent figures from the state DOE show over 97% of the students are free/reduced lunch eligible, with 5 yr figures ranging from 95% to 99.7%.
Free/Reduced are a commonly used indicator of the economics of a given school & those figures are pretty much the highest I've ever seen for any school anywhere I've looked. Based on that, I'm guessing this is one tough neighborhood (maybe one of our St.Louis FOFC'ers can fill in the blanks a little better).
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I am sure that I know what rkmsuf is saying here.
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Maybe that IwasHere might be here but wasn't there when it happened and thus can't know for sure what really happened (see "They knocked the girl down; then held her down as their friends took turns penetrating her with their fingers.") About the story, this is just awful. FM
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Fingers penetrating is certainly rape. Also, underpants don't have to come off for penetration to occur.
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I read this as saying they attempted, but didn't succeed in penetration. But like I said it's unclear and there was also mention that it's still being investigated. |
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They're 8. While I think this is horrible, I am not sure how you do that.
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Sure, and then if one kid starts doing something, other kids follow. That's how kids are, they don't think about what they're doing, they just follow along. 6-8 year olds, you often don't get a lot of reasoning skills there, not a lot of forethought regarding consequences.
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I think because of the ages you can't punish the kids criminally, or atleast in my mind you shouldn't. I think some serious court mandated school sponsored early sex education classes as well as crime and punishment classes should be given to these kids. They are 6-8, while they know right from wrong for the most part I'm sure they don't have good reasoning skills and many of the kids had no clue what was going on. Follow the leader type deal.
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dola, in reagrds to punishment...they are in the wrong 100%, but severity of punishment is now the key
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No. In other words, even if the school does get the hell sued out of it, there won't be any money to give anyway. It's an incredibly poor school with incredibly poor kids attending the school. It looks to me like the school is doing everything they possibly can and acting appropriatly in what they are doing. |
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I grew up in a poor town and went to a poor school, and 6-8 year olds were definitly knowledgeable about this sort of thing, and though I never saw anything like this happen, I think it could have. When sexual knowledge outpaces social maturity, this stuff really doesn't surprise me (because that age group is very selfish, generally).
I'm not a Psychologist, so I won't attempt to rationalize why poorer kids in poorer areas are so advanced in their sexual knowledge, but I think that its at least possible that these incidents aren't a new phenomenon, but our vigilance in noticing it and stopping it is higher. Last edited by molson : 05-10-2006 at 02:56 PM. |
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I don't think there's an actual attraction going on (even to the point of just wanting to hold hands), I think kids like this are just acting out on their sexual knowledge in the context of "teasing", with no comprehension as to why their actions are inappropriate. I can't imagine what kind of home these kids are coming from. Last edited by molson : 05-10-2006 at 03:02 PM. |
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From having a kid who is currently finishing up 2nd grade, I'd like to say that there's a lot more "sexual knowledge" in Pre-K these days than we probably had when I was in 5th grade. Now, some of this "knowledge" might be akin to a dog chasing a car but the girls in particular are quite savvy for their age (comparable to what my generation was probably 6-8 years later in school). Some of the stuff that gets said by these kids, both bluntly and with more of a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" approach can be awfully surprising. And, from my experiences substitute teaching for middle school ages nearly 20 years ago, I'm not really surprised. Those kids (grades 5-7) were at least as sexually aware & agressive before their teens than we were as we approached the end of high school.
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