WORST EVER OFFICIATED SUPERBOWL!!

[G-Man]

THE SEAHAWKS WERE "JOBBED"!!

Yes Pittsburgh is a good team and yes they might have beaten the Seahawks in a fairly played game. But anyone who know's sports and watched this game cannot believe that it was played on an "even" playing field.

Even my sister in law in Cleveland who is a lifelong Denver fan (she was born there) told us that they could see how the officials were "throwing the game"! In her words "the officials have cost the Hawks 14 points!!"

I am very sad that this was the way the Seahawks lost. I mean I could "stomach" it if the Steelers outplayed them, but too lose this way just infuriates me!!

What a sad ending to a wonderful season.

Congratulations to Bill Cowher, a classy tough coach.

Seeya next year in Superbowl 41!

[GoldenEagle]

I disagree.

[LoneStarGirl]

A little biased maybe?

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I disagree.

Good for you, that's what makes the world go round. Oh and which zebra are you related too

[GrantDawg]

I feel for the Steelers and their fans. They won on the field, and crying whiners are going to try and take that away from them.

[cthomer5000]

I feel like I was watching a different game, as I can't once remember the officiating being a discussion among those of us watching it together.

I'm asking this quite seriously, can someone list what they feel were the terrible calls that were made against Seattle?

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

A little biased maybe?

Irrelevant!

[DeToxRox]

Steelers almost got jobbed by officiating vs the Colts, but they persevered.

The stronger team won.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I feel for the Steelers and their fans. They won on the field, and crying whiners are going to try and take that away from them.

you wouldn't be saying that....

[gstelmack]

Seattle shot themselves in the foot (managing the last drive of both halves, for instance, and Stevens dropping most balls that came his way), but I'm going to agree that a lot of bad calls went against Seattle. That Offensive Interference call against Darrel Jackson to take away the TD is pretty much NEVER called (and he barely brushed the defender at all), and Hagans was offsides both on the holding call (which was a BS holding call) to take away the throw to the one yard line and on the sack that came on the next play. Plus the bad "low block" call on Hasselbeck when he was making a tackle after the INT. And the Hasselbeck "fumble" that was overturned on replay just wasn't even close; Seattle should never have had to use a challenge on that one.

The officials definitely continued their poor offseason officiating.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I feel like I was watching a different game, as I can't once remember the officiating being a discussion among those of us watching it together.

I'm asking this quite seriously, can someone list what they feel were the terrible calls that were made against Seattle?

Honestly, I must have missed it as well. The pass interference call, yes. Other than that, I can't recall anything bad (I did miss a bit of the 1st half rounding kids up, but that was still early).

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Steelers almost got jobbed by officiating vs the Colts, but they persevered.

The stronger team won.

However I will agree with you that the NFL Officials get more incomeptent every year!

[Dutch]

I wanted to watch a good game, not "whine" about the ref's all night. Trust me on that one, grantdawg.

[AlexB]

1 terrible call: Hasselbeck's 'block below the waist' that was a tackle. But Ward would have scored even if he was 15 yards further back if the flag was, as it should have been, picked up.

1 questionable call: holding when Stevens caught the ball at the 1.

Otherwise I think they got everything right: I think the ball grazed the line for Ben's TD, it was a definite push off, and while they got Hasselbecks fumble wrong initially, they reversed it after review. The non-called offsides in the 4th weren't offside. I think that about covers it.

[sovereignstar]

I personally liked the "cut" tackle.

[Young Drachma]

Yeah, the refs made a few bad calls, but..Seattle clearly gave the game away. I mean, they should've won and instead, looks like rookies out there. The more experience, better team won. Good game, overall. But Seattle should've played better.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

And the Hasselbeck "fumble" that was overturned on replay just wasn't even close; Seattle should never have had to use a challenge on that one.

Not close on replay. As the play happened I thought it was a fumble too, I missed what basically amounted to a one-hand touch on the play.

[Tigercat]

Ditto, I actually thought this was a WELL officiated super bowl. They let close fumbles play out so that they could be reviewed correctly later. They didn't make any obviously bad calls. They let the players play except when contact was obvious(such as the offensive pass interference in the end zone).

[INDalltheway]

How about Haggans being offsides (not called), then they call the RT for holding on Haggans on the play that they completed the pass down to the 1 yard line... That was a huge call... The score was 14-10 at that point.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

1 terrible call: Hasselbeck's 'block below the waist' that was a tackle.

IIRC, there was a very similar play in the regular season that was called the same way, can't remember which game it was in (it doesn't seem like a *logical* call, but apparently the rule is being applied consistently).

[Tigercat]

Forgot about the Hassleback penalty, that was ridiculous, besides that though, thought it was a well called game. Especially compared to a lot of football games I saw this year.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by G-Man

you wouldn't be saying that....

Yes I would. My team got jobbed pretty bad on some bad calls, but I still recognize that they lost the game. That game was much worse than this one, but it still was the bad play of the players that determined the game, not the refs. I have also seen games were the refs were the determining factor, but this wasn't one of them.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

1 terrible call: Hasselbeck's 'block below the waist' that was a tackle. But Ward would have scored even if he was 15 yards further back if the flag was, as it should have been, picked up.

1 questionable call: holding when Stevens caught the ball at the 1.

Otherwise I think they got everything right: I think the ball grazed the line for Ben's TD, it was a definite push off, and while they got Hasselbecks fumble wrong initially, they reversed it after review. The non-called offsides in the 4th weren't offside. I think that about covers it.

That summarizes my impressions as well. I think Seattle can blame their horrible clock management at the ends of the halves and their 2 missed FG's more than the refs for their loss.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I feel for the Steelers and their fans. They won on the field, and crying whiners are going to try and take that away from them.

Me too.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Honestly, I must have missed it as well. The pass interference call, yes. Other than that, I can't recall anything bad (I did miss a bit of the 1st half rounding kids up, but that was still early).

Are you serious? gstelmack pointed out some of the more obvious ones, but you and Corey must have not been paying too much attention if you saw nothing wrong in the way the officiating went down. I didn't have a horse in this game and just hoped for something good to watch, but this was an atrocious game to sit through. The way the game was called has really got to be a black eye on the NFL.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Me too.

Sorry, I just call them like I see them.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

That summarizes my impressions as well. I think Seattle can blame their horrible clock management at the ends of the halves and their 2 missed FG's more than the refs for their loss.

I agree 100%. I think the officiating was terrible (and most importantly, terrible mostly against the Seahawks, I can't think of a single bad call that went Seattle's way), but the Seahawks still had their chances and couldn't deliver. The first FG miss was clearly on Holmgren's shoulders as they should have been much closer before attempting it, for example. And Stevens dropped several balls, Engram just wiffed on a first down catch, etc etc etc.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

1 terrible call: Hasselbeck's 'block below the waist' that was a tackle. But Ward would have scored even if he was 15 yards further back if the flag was, as it should have been, picked up.

Ok, good point. This was a totally phantom call, and I'm not sure what the ref thought he was seeing. Tough to know how big a deal it was in the scheme of things though, but i do agree that was a bad call.

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

1 questionable call: holding when Stevens caught the ball at the 1.

I thought this was definitely the right call. The DE got a great jump on that play and the OT had to completely hold his right shoulder/arm to keep him from blowing right past him.

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

Otherwise I think they got everything right: I think the ball grazed the line for Ben's TD, it was a definite push off, and while they got Hasselbecks fumble wrong initially, they reversed it after review. The non-called offsides in the 4th weren't offside. I think that about covers it.

I agree with all those. I do think Ben's ball grazed the line, and while they got the call right (IMHO), i'm not sure why that ref's signal changed from spotting the ball to calling it a TD. That seemed odd, but it didn't focus on it too much since they did review it and i think they got the call right. The fumble did look like a fumble to me in real time, and they did get it right on the replay.

So in my mind the Seahawks can say they got screwed on 1 single call, the phantom low block penalty against Hasselbeck.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Are you serious? gstelmack pointed out some of the more obvious ones, but you and Corey must have not been paying too much attention if you saw nothing wrong in the way the officiating went down. I didn't have a horse in this game and just hoped for something good to watch, but this was an atrocious game to sit through. The way the game was called has really got to be a black eye on the NFL.

I payed attention like a hawk the entire game. I even polled a few of my firends over the phone just now about what they thought about officiating. None of them thought it was any better or worse than usual.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Even my sister in law in Cleveland who is a lifelong Denver fan (she was born there) told us that they could see how the officials were "throwing the game"! In her words "the officials have cost the Hawks 14 points!!"

That right there leads me to think his post was sarcastic.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Sorry, I just call them like I see them.

No big deal. Pittsburgh is only my 3rd favorite team. I would be in bliss if it was the Eagles, and then I would be much more upset with all of the criticism of the refs

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

None of them thought it was any better or worse than usual.

I'd agree with that since this has been the worst year for officiating (college and pro) that I've seen since I started watching football 25 years ago.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I thought this was definitely the right call. The DE got a great jump on that play

Did you even watch the replay? He's across the line with the ball still sitting still in front of the center. He went on the count, not the snap. CLEARLY offsides, and he was offsides on the next play as well.

[ice4277]

Originally Posted by G-Man

But anyone who know's sports and watched this game cannot believe that it was played on an "even" playing field.

I hope you know sports better than you know punctuation.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Honestly, I must have missed it as well. The pass interference call, yes. Other than that, I can't recall anything bad (I did miss a bit of the 1st half rounding kids up, but that was still early).

(1) The bogus PI call that cost the Hawks 4 poinnt (7-3).
(2) The bogus TD by Ben when he did not get in and lest say they get only 3 another 4 points.
(3) The TD near halftime whne the Hawks WR hit the dang pylon, that is 7 points!
(4) The bogus holding call on Stevens catch at the 1 yard line in the 4th quarter. & points there.
(5) The continual calls against the Hawks not beeing called on the Steelers (holding and the like).
(6) 7 for 70 and 3 for 20 in penalties is not even handed. The Hawks did not make mistakes that the Steelers also made. Both sides were seen holding just the Hawks got called and the Steelers didn't.
(7) East Coast Bias (tongue in cheek)...still lives...

I've probably forgotten a few others so I'll come back later when I recall them.

[INDalltheway]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Did you even watch the replay? He's across the line with the ball still sitting still in front of the center. He went on the count, not the snap. CLEARLY offsides, and he was offsides on the next play as well.

exactly...

[Groundhog]

Look, I don't support either team, but in my opinion Seattle got screwed.

Perhaps none more so than Ben Rothetuierhtberger's "td".

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Did you even watch the replay? He's across the line with the ball still sitting still in front of the center. He went on the count, not the snap. CLEARLY offsides, and he was offsides on the next play as well.

Thanks I had forgotten about those 2 non calls.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I thought this was definitely the right call. The DE got a great jump on that play and the OT had to completely hold his right shoulder/arm to keep him from blowing right past him.

Just in case it was misunderstood (it's like 3.30am over here and I'm tired - can't work out subtleties (or spell that word by the looks of it ) I agree the officiating wasn't horrible.

On the holding, why it was questionable to me was did Locklear actually have a grip on the DE? If he just had his arm out to block him without grabbing him or tripping him, is that still holding?

[illinifan999]

it's always the refs fault, they shouldn't have called an obvious pass intereference on jackson, it's their fault the hawks let up 2 big "gadget" plays, stupid refs letting big ben run loose and throw a big bomb to ward, those big bad refs made Hasselbeck forget how to handle the clock, it's their fault the hawks gave up a 75 yard run to parker. did you see the ref come in and blindside Stevens on 1 of his many drops? those assholes.

every game has calls that favor another team, go back and look at each of the seahawks games this season and ill bet you can find in at least one of them a game where the refs favored them. get over it, the steelers were the better team and the seahawks weren't.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by sabotai

That right there leads me to think his post was sarcastic.

Bring something to the thread or go somewhere else.

Thanks!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

it's always the refs fault, they shouldn't have called an obvious pass intereference on jackson, it's their fault the hawks let up 2 big "gadget" plays, stupid refs letting big ben run loose and throw a big bomb to ward, those big bad refs made Hasselbeck forget how to handle the clock, it's their fault the hawks gave up a 75 yard run to parker. did you see the ref come in and blindside Stevens on 1 of his many drops? those assholes.

every game has calls that favor another team, go back and look at each of the seahawks games this season and ill bet you can find in at least one of them a game where the refs favored them. get over it, the steelers were the better team and the seahawks weren't.

And don't forget moving the goal-posts on the field goals. It was all a conspiracy!

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

the steelers were the better team and the seahawks weren't.

I think this statement should be: The seahawks were the better team, but the steelers made more big plays. Same thing happened in the DEN/NE game.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Are you serious? gstelmack pointed out some of the more obvious ones, but you and Corey must have not been paying too much attention if you saw nothing wrong in the way the officiating went down. I didn't have a horse in this game and just hoped for something good to watch, but this was an atrocious game to sit through. The way the game was called has really got to be a black eye on the NFL.

I will admit to having missed the "cut tackle" (though I swear that I saw this same call in the regular season, damned if I can't remember the game though) and the holding call. I thought the TD looked legit, and didn't really catch much else. The Hasselback fumble wasn't any worse than your typical fumble review.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Bring something to the thread or go somewhere else.

Thanks!

Humor can be an important contribution

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

IIRC, there was a very similar play in the regular season that was called the same way, can't remember which game it was in (it doesn't seem like a *logical* call, but apparently the rule is being applied consistently).

Against the Giants on an Eli Manning INT.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

I think this statement should be: The seahawks were the better team, but the steelers made more big plays. Same thing happened in the DEN/NE game.

Ultimately, isn't the team that made more big plays, the better team?

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

Just in case it was misunderstood (it's like 3.30am over here and I'm tired - can't work out subtleties (or spell that word by the looks of it ) I agree the officiating wasn't horrible.

On the holding, why it was questionable to me was did Locklear actually have a grip on the DE? If he just had his arm out to block him without grabbing him or tripping him, is that still holding?

He had his arm hooked around the DE's shoulder or it would've been a sack.

I thought that, on the whole, it wasn't a horribly called game. It just so happened that penalties really hurt Seattle. I didn't think there were any really bad calls, though, aside from the Hasselbeck tackle penalty.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by G-Man

(1) The bogus PI call that cost the Hawks 4 poinnt (7-3).

Definitely the right call - the push off caused Hope to take a (small) step backwards away from the ball

(2) The bogus TD by Ben when he did not get in and lest say they get only 3 another 4 points.

On the replays I think it did indeed graze the goalline, although it was a great attempt by the defender

(3) The TD near halftime whne the Hawks WR hit the dang pylon, that is 7 points!

From the Chicago tribune ask the ref:
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....ck=1&cset=true
The goal line stretches around the world outside at the field of play. The pylon's purpose is to signify that the ball or player is out-of-bounds in the end zone. If a player going in for a score hits the pylon with the ball extended over the plane of the goal line, he is out-of-bounds in the end zone, and a touchdown is awarded.

So the ball didn't hit the pylon, his knee did, and the ball was outside the plane of the goal-line. No TD



(4) The bogus holding call on Stevens catch at the 1 yard line in the 4th quarter. & points there.

Possibly.

(5) The continual calls against the Hawks not beeing called on the Steelers (holding and the like).

Now you're stretching

(6) 7 for 70 and 3 for 20 in penalties is not even handed. The Hawks did not make mistakes that the Steelers also made. Both sides were seen holding just the Hawks got called and the Steelers didn't.

Ditto

(7) East Coast Bias (tongue in cheek)...still lives...

tongue-in-cheek noted

I've probably forgotten a few others so I'll come back later when I recall them.

You've missed the only call you actually have a definite case with - low block/tackle

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Bring something to the thread or go somewhere else.

Thanks!

Sorry, just thought I'd point out that a Denver fan thinking the officiating sucked in a game that Pittsburgh won is hardly anything worth even mentioning.

And...

(1) The bogus PI call that cost the Hawks 4 poinnt (7-3).

He pushed off, textbook offensive pass interference. Get over it,

(2) The bogus TD by Ben when he did not get in and lest say they get only 3 another 4 points.

All the ball has to do is BREAK the line, which it did, TD.

(3) The TD near halftime whne the Hawks WR hit the dang pylon, that is 7 points!

A foot hitting a pylon does not cound as a foot being in bounds.

(4) The bogus holding call on Stevens catch at the 1 yard line in the 4th quarter. & points there.

He had is arm across the defender's chest. Holding.