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Old 01-21-2006, 10:47 PM   #1
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Day before the NFL Conference games and Seattle is still overrated.

That is all. They will lose and lose badly tomorrow.

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Old 01-21-2006, 10:51 PM   #2
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They're not as overrated as Steve Yzerman.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:52 PM   #3
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They're not as overrated as Steve Yzerman.

LOL where did that come from?
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:53 PM   #4
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Alexender < 50 yards.
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:31 AM   #5
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Funny, I seem to recall this same statement sometime before last weeks game, when they then went out and won the game without the guy who put up the majority of their offensive output for the season playing past the 1st quarter....

Seattle VS Denver

Write it in stone.
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:35 AM   #6
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Carolina/Pitt, write it down. (stone is optional)
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:37 AM   #7
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Carolina/Pitt, write it down. (stone is optional)

Agree with cthomer picks without question.
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:37 AM   #8
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Funny, I seem to recall this same statement sometime before last weeks game, when they then went out and won the game without the guy who put up the majority of their offensive output for the season playing past the 1st quarter....

Seattle VS Denver

Write it in stone.

Alexender has never broken more then 50 yards in a playoff game....
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:40 AM   #9
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The Seahawks are not as overrated as the posts saying that the Seahawks are overrated are.
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:46 AM   #10
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Alexender has never broken more then 50 yards in a playoff game....

My statement was about seattle being overrated, not Alexander's statistics. The fact is Alexander is the heart and soul of the Seattle Offensive unit, however, when they lost that heart and soul they went on to defeat an extremely strong Redskins defense.

I have a hard time reading "Seattle is STILL overrated" after seeing that performance. Carolina is vastly inconsistant. Look at the two Bears games to see just how badly inconsistant they are. Seattle, on the other hand, has been the most consistant team in the NFL this season. The Panthers are also beat to hell on defense, something that team simply cannot overcome. Their defense is what wins them ballgames. Seattle doesn't make a lot of mistakes and that again is something Carolina requires to ensure wins. Carolina's run ends today.

As for the Denver/Pitt game, it really is an even bet, but I think Denver wins at home.

Seattle Denver, count on it. Seattle beats Denver for the title. Holmgren gets revenge on the Broncos.
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:32 AM   #11
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My picks are Seattle and Denver.

I'm not sure two teams as strong as these have ever been picked by so many people to lose.

I like both Pitt and Carolina, but I think the reasons for people picking them are a little strange.

The most interesting thing, IMHO, is how people slam Seattle for their schedule and then pick Pittsburgh in Denver.

Ummm. . . if schedule strength is part of your criteria, it didn't get any tougher than Denver's. Of the teams left in the playoffs it looks like this: Seattle 32nd toughest schedule. Carolina, 30th. Pittsburgh 17th. Denver 3rd. (only SD and Oak had tougher schedules in all of football this year)

Denver has faced 11 teams with winning records this year. That doesn't even count a Philly team who came into Denver with a 4-2 record.

I think Pittsburgh has a shot in this game. I don't think they'll win, but they are on a roll and could easily force a few Plummer mistakes and win the game. I just find it amusing so many people who bash Seattle for their schedule aren't giving Denver credit for theirs.

As for that Seattle/Carolina game, I think Seattle will not only win the game, I think they'll win it fairly comfortably. I watched Grossman get his bearings and move Chicago up and down the field against the Panthers in the second half last week. Hasselbeck can flat out play. It took Seattle a bit of time to adjust to Alexander being gone (they had a 7 play, 55 yard drive while he was still in)

They had a series of three and outs. Then, against a pretty damned good defense and without Alexander they proceeded to do this from their last drive of the second quarter on:

12 plays, 74 yards, TD
3 plays, 8 yards, Punt
11 plays 81 yards, TD
6 plays, 48 yards, FG
10 plays, 60 yards, FG
3 plays kneeling at the end of the game.

Three of the last five Seattle possessions resulted in 10+ play drives against a very good defense. Four of the five ended with the Seahawks scoring. That doesn't happen by accident. They are a very, very good offensive football team. Not only are they second in the NFL in yards per game, they had the fewest giveaways of any team in the league.

Again, that's no accident, and it has little to do with the schedule. The easy schedule may have helped, but lets face it, they don't get to pick who they play. They face whoever is on the schedule and take it from there.

We'll find out on Sunday. I'm not going to put money down on either of these, but were I to do it, I'd take both home teams and the points. I think Seattle and Denver will both win by a TD or more.

Big Ben and Steve Smith give me pause on those picks. . . and both could lead their teams to wins. I just don't think either of the road teams will be able to put together three close to perfect performences in a row.

About 12 hours to kick off. It's gonna be fun.
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:44 AM   #12
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Seattle/Pitt in the SB, that's so obvious.

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Old 01-22-2006, 02:22 AM   #13
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I am a carolina fan. i must admit it cause seatlle isnt overrated, there just not that good. now carolina is very incosistant, for sure. but i still think seattle's d won't be able to stop us. not just because of steve smith either, our o'line is the best seattle has faced this whole season. and we are BY FAR the best D the seattle Offense has faced all season. Carolina wins 27-20.
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Old 01-22-2006, 11:39 AM   #14
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My picks are Seattle and Denver.

I'm not sure two teams as strong as these have ever been picked by so many people to lose.

I like both Pitt and Carolina, but I think the reasons for people picking them are a little strange.

The most interesting thing, IMHO, is how people slam Seattle for their schedule and then pick Pittsburgh in Denver.

Ummm. . . if schedule strength is part of your criteria, it didn't get any tougher than Denver's. Of the teams left in the playoffs it looks like this: Seattle 32nd toughest schedule. Carolina, 30th. Pittsburgh 17th. Denver 3rd. (only SD and Oak had tougher schedules in all of football this year)

Denver has faced 11 teams with winning records this year. That doesn't even count a Philly team who came into Denver with a 4-2 record.

I think Pittsburgh has a shot in this game. I don't think they'll win, but they are on a roll and could easily force a few Plummer mistakes and win the game. I just find it amusing so many people who bash Seattle for their schedule aren't giving Denver credit for theirs.

As for that Seattle/Carolina game, I think Seattle will not only win the game, I think they'll win it fairly comfortably. I watched Grossman get his bearings and move Chicago up and down the field against the Panthers in the second half last week. Hasselbeck can flat out play. It took Seattle a bit of time to adjust to Alexander being gone (they had a 7 play, 55 yard drive while he was still in)

They had a series of three and outs. Then, against a pretty damned good defense and without Alexander they proceeded to do this from their last drive of the second quarter on:

12 plays, 74 yards, TD
3 plays, 8 yards, Punt
11 plays 81 yards, TD
6 plays, 48 yards, FG
10 plays, 60 yards, FG
3 plays kneeling at the end of the game.

Three of the last five Seattle possessions resulted in 10+ play drives against a very good defense. Four of the five ended with the Seahawks scoring. That doesn't happen by accident. They are a very, very good offensive football team. Not only are they second in the NFL in yards per game, they had the fewest giveaways of any team in the league.

Again, that's no accident, and it has little to do with the schedule. The easy schedule may have helped, but lets face it, they don't get to pick who they play. They face whoever is on the schedule and take it from there.

We'll find out on Sunday. I'm not going to put money down on either of these, but were I to do it, I'd take both home teams and the points. I think Seattle and Denver will both win by a TD or more.

Big Ben and Steve Smith give me pause on those picks. . . and both could lead their teams to wins. I just don't think either of the road teams will be able to put together three close to perfect performences in a row.

About 12 hours to kick off. It's gonna be fun.

That is probably the first post that I've read that actually gave me pause on my picks.

I take the Steelers for one reason only. Matchups, I just believe that for this one game, their defense matchups perfectly with Denver's offense. Pittsburgh can play their natural 3/4 without alot of nickel or dime looks. The Steelers simply stop the run. Overall throughout the last 5 years, noone does it better. But, this game is more a toss up.

Something about Seattle just doesn't seem legit to me. They beat Washington last week, but I don't believe they would of ever gotten Tampa Bay. Lets face it Washington was LUCKY to get by Tampa Bay in a fluke win.

Seattle -- Alexender is still feel is overrated. I've never seen him come up big in a big game. Hasselback -- is not Favre everyone. He has won ONE big game against a team that couldn't move the ball until the fourth quarter.

The reason I give Seattle any chance at all is that bad ass offensive line. That line is solid.
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Old 01-22-2006, 11:40 AM   #15
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I am a carolina fan. i must admit it cause seatlle isnt overrated, there just not that good. now carolina is very incosistant, for sure. but i still think seattle's d won't be able to stop us. not just because of steve smith either, our o'line is the best seattle has faced this whole season. and we are BY FAR the best D the seattle Offense has faced all season. Carolina wins 27-20.


The Dallas D was pretty stout and they won 10 to 7 I think. They didn't even score untill the four quarter with about 2 minutes left to go in that game.
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Old 01-22-2006, 11:44 AM   #16
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That is all. They will lose and lose badly tomorrow.

You already proved your genius last week to all of us. Why come back and rub your incredible knowledge of football in all of our faces again?

PS: Could you please start talking bad about Mizzou basketball also so they can start winning games again?
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Old 01-22-2006, 11:47 AM   #17
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The Seahawks are not as overrated as the posts saying that the Seahawks are overrated are.
Very true, but there's something funny about this statement coming from a poster named MikeVick7.
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Old 01-22-2006, 11:49 AM   #18
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One may think that Seattle is good or bad. But how can you call them overrated. They have gotten less press than any #1 seed in my memory. Indeed, I get the sense that the only reason people are talking about them now is because there are only 4 teams left to discuss.
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Old 01-22-2006, 11:55 AM   #19
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You already proved your genius last week to all of us. Why come back and rub your incredible knowledge of football in all of our faces again?

PS: Could you please start talking bad about Mizzou basketball also so they can start winning games again?

I hit 2 out of 4 games last week. But, I hit pittsburgh straight up so by the end of the weekend, I won a ton of money. So my "football" knowledge just allowed me to cash 2 grand out of my account and get my in line to buy my XBOX 360 .
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:03 PM   #20
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I hit 2 out of 4 games last week. But, I hit pittsburgh straight up so by the end of the weekend, I won a ton of money. So my "football" knowledge just allowed me to cash 2 grand out of my account and get my in line to buy my XBOX 360 .
Your knowledge was 50% at best, and damn near only 25%.

You're lucky, not knowledgable. Enjoy your winnings, I'm betting your not going to be as fortunate this week.
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Old 01-22-2006, 12:13 PM   #21
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Your knowledge was 50% at best, and damn near only 25%.

You're lucky, not knowledgable. Enjoy your winnings, I'm betting your not going to be as fortunate this week.


Well it was damn near 75%. Washington almost covered last week. Remember that last pass on 4th and 2 that hit moss in the hands in the endzone? He catches that I cover. Anyway, I digress. Yes, I have years where I lose. But over the last 4 years I've done pretty well for myself.

2003 +6500 for the season.
2004 +3450 for the season.
2005 -600 for the season.
2006 currently +2500 for the season.

Anyway, the key to winning money is picking underdog winners. Such as Pittsburgh last week. For example, Picking Pittsburgh straight up was 100 to 400. Meaning 100 bucks bet wins you 400 bucks. Picking Carolina last week was like +130. But, then picking them both in a Parlay together straight up with no points netted some crazy cash. Something like 100 bucks bet netted you 700 dollars.

Yes, I love betting on football. I guess you could say it is an addiction, but one my wife monitors. She controlls how much money I can put into my account in a season. Once I lose my money, I can't gamble any more till next season.

Any winnings she gets half .

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21 Jan 2006 23:36 Session # 52274962 Straight 105 FG Pittsburgh Steelers +3 EV 1/22/2006 3:00:00 PM 60/60 # 38685228 Straight 105 1H Pittsburgh Steelers +1½ -105 1/22/2006 3:00:00 PM 50/48 # 38685222 15 Jan 2006 20:25 Session # 51735383 2Parlay 105 FG Pittsburgh Steelers +145 1/22/2006 3:00:00 PM 107 FG Carolina Panthers +160 1/22/2006 6:30:00 PM 100/537 # 38556141 Straight 107 FG Carolina Panthers +4½ -110 1/22/2006 6:30:00 PM 350/318 # 38556132 15 Jan 2006 20:11 Session # 51732924 Straight 105 FG Pittsburgh Steelers +3 EV 1/22/2006 3:00:00 PM 300/300 # 38555685

Here are my bets this week.

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Old 01-22-2006, 12:18 PM   #22
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:05 PM   #23
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:27 PM   #24
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Well it was damn near 75%. Washington almost covered last week.

Horseshoes and hand grenades. Btw, Seattle still ran for 119 yards without Alexander. And don't you have to be rated first to be overrated?
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Old 01-22-2006, 01:52 PM   #25
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Old 01-22-2006, 02:02 PM   #26
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Seattle is winning the Super Bowl. They're not flashy, but they can beat you in whatever way is necessary.

I'm leaning toward Denver beating Pittsburgh just because of the biggest home field advantage in football.
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Old 01-22-2006, 05:20 PM   #27
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Well I put my money where my mouth is! After the Pitt win, I'm up big and rolled it all over to the Carolina game. Taking Carolina over the hawks.

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22 Jan 2006 18:17 Session # 52371083 Straight 107 FG Carolina Panthers +3½ -105 1/22/2006 6:35:00 PM 150/143 # 38717798 Straight 107 1H Carolina Panthers +1½ EV 1/22/2006 6:35:00 PM 50/50 # 38717641 Straight 107 FG Carolina Panthers +3½ -110 1/22/2006 6:35:00 PM 512/465 # 38717157 22 Jan 2006 16:37 Session # 52354556 Straight 107 1H Carolina Panthers +1½ EV 1/22/2006 6:35:00 PM 50/50 # 38711512 15 Jan 2006 20:25 Session # 51735383 2Parlay 105 FG Pittsburgh Steelers +145 [34,17] 1/22/2006 3:10:00 PM 107 FG Carolina Panthers +160 1/22/2006 6:35:00 PM 100/537 # 38556141 Straight 107 FG Carolina Panthers +4½ -110 1/22/2006 6:35:00 PM 350/318 # 38556132
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Old 01-22-2006, 06:12 PM   #29
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Old 01-22-2006, 06:26 PM   #31
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Old 01-22-2006, 06:26 PM   #32
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Old 01-22-2006, 06:34 PM   #35
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That is all. They will lose and lose badly tomorrow.


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I'll take 37 with a TD after 15 minutes of play.
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Old 01-22-2006, 06:35 PM   #37
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That is all. They will lose and lose badly tomorrow.
Good call. These guys are incredibly bad at losing.
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That is all. They will lose and lose badly tomorrow.

This may be premature, but....

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I may have missed it but why the irrational hate for the rating of the Seahawks?
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Old 01-22-2006, 06:41 PM   #42
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I may have missed it but why the irrational hate for the rating of the Seahawks?

Pretty sure it was because of their regular season schedule
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Old 01-22-2006, 07:41 PM   #49
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i still think seattle's d won't be able to stop us
Eh, wrong.

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our o'line is the best seattle has faced this whole season
Doesn't look like it.

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and we are BY FAR the best D the seattle Offense has faced all season


Already 27 pts. and over 100 yds. rushing with almost the entire 2nd half left.

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