OT - PureSim v OOTP

sturmie · 01-26-2003, 10:18 AM

ok....w/ 2 new versions of each of these game hitting the scene this spring, i was wondering what people thought of em. i have Season Ticket 2003 (b/c i want the game on CD.....no eLicense crap) -aka OOTP4- and remember hearing about PureSim way back when, but hadn't checked it out until Shaun posted an update about the 2003 version.

so, whatta u guys think? from the screens, PureSim looks really nice and seems to give more a of a "reality" feel to it, but OOTP5 is promising some nice improvements as well - plus, i know the OOTP series and have confidence in it. my only requirement is that i can get the game on CD and/or be able to download it and not have to deal w/ eLicense...the whole FOF2 experience soured me on that.

thanks for the info....sturmie

Barkeep49 · 01-26-2003, 10:44 AM

Sadly Puresim is only available via download with e-License and there are no plans to come out with a CD version that I have heard of right now.

So while you're not going to care about this next part from my experince Puresim is a better single player experince while OOTP is a better multiplayer experince (especially because Puresim doesn't even support the feature right now). There is a free demo of Puresim2003 out right now, and Puresim will be released before OOTP and will likely have less bugs "out of the box" because of the subscription model.

sabotai · 01-26-2003, 11:16 AM

Well, the Season Ticket franchise has been cancelled by the publishers (Infogrames?), so you probably won't be getting OOTP on CD either.

And I wouldn't abandon e-license so fast. Digital River was just a nightmare of a company. Viatech is very good and actually has customer service.

01-26-2003, 11:31 AM

Markus has already announced on the OOTP boards that the new version will also be available on CD Rom via 400 studios. Unless this has changed.

FBPro · 01-26-2003, 11:31 AM

Yes, I'll agree about Via-Tech. They have helped me out of more than one situation with my licenses, they are fast, helpful and nice.

OOTP5 will be available on CD(from Via-Tech), but it will still require an electronic license of sorts.

sabotai · 01-26-2003, 11:59 AM

I guess they'll be doing what TDCB did. You get the CD and an order ID when you buy, but it's still an e-license that must be unlicensed and relicensed when you uninstall and reinstall.

FBPro · 01-26-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by sabotai
I guess they'll be doing what TDCB did. You get the CD and an order ID when you buy, but it's still an e-license that must be unlicensed and relicensed when you uninstall and reinstall.

I believe so, I've not done this myself but it is an option.

lynchjm24 · 01-26-2003, 12:18 PM

Elicence and Viatech are great. Don't throw away 13$ on nothing.

Joe Canadian · 01-26-2003, 12:39 PM

All .400 Studios games will be released on both CD & Download format. However the eLicence will still apply to the CD version, it's basiclly for people who want an actual CD, or people who don't have broadband. There is an extra cost of approx. $13 for a CD, the CD comes with various "bonus" features & the appropriate DirectX files. The CD also has applicable "CD Stomp" art on it.

sturmie · 01-26-2003, 12:54 PM

cd + eLicense? kinda defeats the purpose...oh well, looks like i'm not gonna be gettin a baseball sim this season....i have a real problem w/ eLicensing and even though everyone says how great it is now, i'm from the old school of "i paid for it, i want it on cd"....guess i'll have to append that statement to "i paid for it, i want it on cd and i want to be able to uninstall/reinstall freely without an internet connection".

just my two pennies....i don't think my mind will ever change about eLicensing...i mean, look at FOF2 - if u want to play that game now on a new machine (b/c u junked ur old one that was 3+ years old), u can't.....ridiculous IMO.

sturmie

korme · 01-26-2003, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
Well, the Season Ticket franchise has been cancelled by the publishers (Infogrames?), so you probably won't be getting OOTP on CD either.

And I wouldn't abandon e-license so fast. Digital River was just a nightmare of a company. Viatech is very good and actually has customer service.

Every .400 product from now on will be available on CD, said Kuffrey I believe.

QuikSand · 01-26-2003, 05:26 PM

Well, if this is supposedly a discussion about the two products (rather than just about people's opinion about e-license), then here's my two cents:

Neither product stands up to much scrutiny as a single-player game. OOTP's AI is embarassingly weak in several critical ways, and (in limited play) I'm finding that the PureSim finaicial engine is a poison pill in that game.

At the moment, I think OOTP is probably better off, but I think with some corrections (which are very possible) PureSim could easily surpass OOTP. PureSIm is supposedly in some sort of extended beta, so I'm hopeful that things get better on that front.

I have little hope for OOTP - I"m convinced that the "toomany cooks" philosophy that prevails over there keeps much real progress from happening. (Though I'd be pleased to be proven wrong)

QuikSand · 01-26-2003, 07:23 PM

Well, just today, Shaun Sullivan posted some very encouraging things on his PureSim board - he's apparently starting thinking heavily about the salary structure in his game. That's really good news, I think.

Bee · 01-27-2003, 07:32 AM

I downloaded the current Puresim demo and found it a little lacking IMO. The salary issue is a killer right now. Perhaps when it's further along in the process another demo will be released and I'll give it another shot.

OOTP is in my opinion enjoyable to play, but doesn't offer much challege for a single player game. (I have no interest in multiplayer.) I generally have fun playing the game for 2 or 3 seasons, but after that I generally abandon the career because my team is too dominant. I've tried playing with various house rules, but haven't found anything that really balances the game and maintains my enjoyment of the game.

cincyreds · 01-27-2003, 07:36 AM

OOTP all the way!

FBPro · 01-27-2003, 07:57 AM

One thing "for me" that I like OOTP more for is that I can "multi-task" much easier with it than with PS.

Ben E Lou · 01-27-2003, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
Well, just today, Shaun Sullivan posted some very encouraging things on his PureSim board - he's apparently starting thinking heavily about the salary structure in his game. That's really good news, I think.

"Thinking heavily" has now progressed to "taking action" about the salary structure. This could change everything.

Easy Mac · 01-27-2003, 08:52 AM

Yeah, I hated the salary structure, but liked the game far more than OOTP. If only I had a computer that could run it decently.

Anyone know what the highest mhz a socket 7 motherboard goes for? Anything would help me out. Got the memory, just not enough overall power.

sabotai · 01-27-2003, 10:34 AM

AMD K2-6 550 Mhz is the fastest from AMD that goes in a Socket 7 that I can think of off the top of my head.

Easy Mac · 01-27-2003, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
AMD K2-6 550 Mhz is the fastest from AMD that goes in a Socket 7 that I can think of off the top of my head.

thanks man. Damn, that would only add like 200 mhz. Time to start saving for a somewhat new computer.... or student loans, whatever

01-26-2003, 11:16 AM	#3
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Well, the Season Ticket franchise has been cancelled by the publishers (Infogrames?), so you probably won't be getting OOTP on CD either. And I wouldn't abandon e-license so fast. Digital River was just a nightmare of a company. Viatech is very good and actually has customer service. Last edited by sabotai : 01-26-2003 at 11:16 AM.

01-26-2003, 11:31 AM	#5
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Yes, I'll agree about Via-Tech. They have helped me out of more than one situation with my licenses, they are fast, helpful and nice. OOTP5 will be available on CD(from Via-Tech), but it will still require an electronic license of sorts. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

01-26-2003, 12:39 PM	#9
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	All .400 Studios games will be released on both CD & Download format. However the eLicence will still apply to the CD version, it's basiclly for people who want an actual CD, or people who don't have broadband. There is an extra cost of approx. $13 for a CD, the CD comes with various "bonus" features & the appropriate DirectX files. The CD also has applicable "CD Stomp" art on it. __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

01-27-2003, 07:36 AM	#15
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	OOTP all the way! __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

01-27-2003, 07:57 AM	#16
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	One thing "for me" that I like OOTP more for is that I can "multi-task" much easier with it than with PS. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

01-26-2003, 10:44 AM	#2
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Sadly Puresim is only available via download with e-License and there are no plans to come out with a CD version that I have heard of right now. So while you're not going to care about this next part from my experince Puresim is a better single player experince while OOTP is a better multiplayer experince (especially because Puresim doesn't even support the feature right now). There is a free demo of Puresim2003 out right now, and Puresim will be released before OOTP and will likely have less bugs "out of the box" because of the subscription model.

01-26-2003, 11:31 AM	#4
couriers	Markus has already announced on the OOTP boards that the new version will also be available on CD Rom via 400 studios. Unless this has changed.

01-26-2003, 11:59 AM	#6
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I guess they'll be doing what TDCB did. You get the CD and an order ID when you buy, but it's still an e-license that must be unlicensed and relicensed when you uninstall and reinstall.

01-26-2003, 12:18 PM	#8
lynchjm24 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hartford	Elicence and Viatech are great. Don't throw away 13$ on nothing.

01-26-2003, 12:54 PM	#10
sturmie Mascot Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: O-HI-O	cd + eLicense? kinda defeats the purpose...oh well, looks like i'm not gonna be gettin a baseball sim this season....i have a real problem w/ eLicensing and even though everyone says how great it is now, i'm from the old school of "i paid for it, i want it on cd"....guess i'll have to append that statement to "i paid for it, i want it on cd and i want to be able to uninstall/reinstall freely without an internet connection". just my two pennies....i don't think my mind will ever change about eLicensing...i mean, look at FOF2 - if u want to play that game now on a new machine (b/c u junked ur old one that was 3+ years old), u can't.....ridiculous IMO. sturmie

01-26-2003, 05:26 PM	#12
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well, if this is supposedly a discussion about the two products (rather than just about people's opinion about e-license), then here's my two cents: Neither product stands up to much scrutiny as a single-player game. OOTP's AI is embarassingly weak in several critical ways, and (in limited play) I'm finding that the PureSim finaicial engine is a poison pill in that game. At the moment, I think OOTP is probably better off, but I think with some corrections (which are very possible) PureSim could easily surpass OOTP. PureSIm is supposedly in some sort of extended beta, so I'm hopeful that things get better on that front. I have little hope for OOTP - I"m convinced that the "toomany cooks" philosophy that prevails over there keeps much real progress from happening. (Though I'd be pleased to be proven wrong)

01-26-2003, 07:23 PM	#13
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well, just today, Shaun Sullivan posted some very encouraging things on his PureSim board - he's apparently starting thinking heavily about the salary structure in his game. That's really good news, I think.

01-27-2003, 07:32 AM	#14
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I downloaded the current Puresim demo and found it a little lacking IMO. The salary issue is a killer right now. Perhaps when it's further along in the process another demo will be released and I'll give it another shot. OOTP is in my opinion enjoyable to play, but doesn't offer much challege for a single player game. (I have no interest in multiplayer.) I generally have fun playing the game for 2 or 3 seasons, but after that I generally abandon the career because my team is too dominant. I've tried playing with various house rules, but haven't found anything that really balances the game and maintains my enjoyment of the game.

01-27-2003, 08:52 AM	#18
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Yeah, I hated the salary structure, but liked the game far more than OOTP. If only I had a computer that could run it decently. Anyone know what the highest mhz a socket 7 motherboard goes for? Anything would help me out. Got the memory, just not enough overall power.

01-27-2003, 10:34 AM	#19
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	AMD K2-6 550 Mhz is the fastest from AMD that goes in a Socket 7 that I can think of off the top of my head.

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