PAt Robertson says A. Sharon brought storke on himself by....

[Flasch186]

...splitting up the land of Israel incurring God's wrath.

Evangelicals should be so proud of him....what a clown.

[gottimd]

He is such an asshat.

[Wolfpack]

I think a lot of us have pretty much written him off anyway. I know I have. I think he's going for shock value and headline-grabbing. If not, he's got the intellect of a very small pebble at this point.

[GrantDawg]

I vote pebble.

[MacroGuru]

Isn't that "What an assclown?"

[Klinglerware]

So has Pat gone completely nuts just recently, or is the media just paying attention more now?

[Greyroofoo]

Why can't every child molestor get a stroke?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Why can't every child molestor get a stroke?

God's only interested in property law.

[st.cronin]

He's a marginal political figure, becoming more marginal every day; he has roughly the same level of credibility as Al Sharpton.

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Why can't every child molestor get a stroke?

Because, apparently, most child molesters don't get an opportunity to split up Israel...

[CamEdwards]

arrggh. i hate pat robertson.

[Bonegavel]

Back when I was a church-goer (80s), Pat Robertson was basically seen as a fear-mongering money-grubbing televangelist (any other kind?) and not really related to your average christian.

He has and always should be ignored. Kind of scary how creepy looking his kid has become.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Sometimes I really do wish there was an afterlife for people like this guy...

[st.cronin]

by the way, Willie McGinest

[Subby]

storkes are bad news

[Schmidty]

Robertson is a twit.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

God's only interested in property law.

Gold.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Evangelicals should be so proud of him....what a clown.

By definition, Jesus was an Evangelical, and I highly doubt he'd approve of Robertson's political involvement or his mean-spirited pronouncements.

As an aside, the term "Evangelical" gets thrown all over the place as a negative catch-all for conservative christians, but really being an evangelical is to emulate Christ:


1.Conversionism: the belief that the lives of all humans need to be changed by way of a "born again" decision to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

2. Activism: the expression of the gospel in various ways, including missionary outreach and social reform.

3. Biblicism: a particular regard for the Bible as the Word of God and the ultimate authority for religious belief and morality.

4. Crucicentrism: a stress on the substitutionary atonement by Christ on the cross.


All of those things are main points in the teaching of Jesus. The only thing in there that sounds even remotely political is point #2; however, I don't think that the only way for "social reform" to occur is through crooked politics and tossing around hateful, judgemental dercrees.

(Note: I got the above definition from David Bebbington)

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

By definition, Jesus was an Evangelical, and I highly doubt he'd approve of Robertson's political involvement or his mean-spirited pronouncements.

As an aside, the term "Evangelical" gets thrown all over the place as a negative catch-all for conservative christians, but really being an evangelical is to emulate Christ:


1.Conversionism: the belief that the lives of all humans need to be changed by way of a "born again" decision to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

2. Activism: the expression of the gospel in various ways, including missionary outreach and social reform.

3. Biblicism: a particular regard for the Bible as the Word of God and the ultimate authority for religious belief and morality.

4. Crucicentrism: a stress on the substitutionary atonement by Christ on the cross.


All of those things are main points in the teaching of Jesus. The only thing in there that sounds even remotely political is point #2; however, I don't think that the only way for "social reform" to occur is through crooked politics and tossing around hateful, judgemental dercrees.

(Note: I got the above definition from David Bebbington)

The orginal definition fits, but not the "label." Heck, there is nothing wrong with being "liberal" when it comes to charity, and nothing wrong with being "conservative" when it comes other people's property. But politically they take on different meanings. When "evangelical" is used in politics, it is discussing the section of politically activated Christians that are pushing for a Christian State.

[Maple Leafs]

How does he explain Teddy Bruschi? Does he think God is a Colts fan?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The orginal definition fits, but not the "label." Heck, there is nothing wrong with being "liberal" when it comes to charity, and nothing wrong with being "conservative" when it comes other people's property. But politically they take on different meanings. When "evangelical" is used in politics, it is discussing the section of politically activated Christians that are pushing for a Christian State.

Good point. I just wish people could seperate the two. The original term/way-of-life has gotten a bad rap because of the political "label".

[Grammaticus]

Well, if you think what Robertson said is bad, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said he hopes Sharon dies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180772,00.html

Not exactly a "love your brother" message.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Well, if you think what Robertson said is bad, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said he hopes Sharon dies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180772,00.html

Not exactly a "love your brother" message.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can be anagrammed as "nah, momma, a jihad dude."

The fact that Pat Robertson has not yet been struck by lightning should be considered proof of the absence of a supreme being.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can be anagrammed as "nah, momma, a jihad dude."

The fact that Pat Robertson has not yet been struck by lightning should be considered proof of the absence of a supreme being.

Yep, pretty much so. But any chance I can get to ensure people see how that sorry Iranian bastage is, I'll take it. On the flip side, when Yasser Arafat was on his death bed, Sharon said he wished Arafat would recover. There are bad guys and there are good guys. It's absolute, not relative. Ahmadinejad is Evil, Robertson is mis-guided.

[Flasch186]

Na EE na Na Ja. Naeenanaja. Is that so hard?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

How does he explain Teddy Bruschi? Does he think God is a Colts fan?

Obviously. God favors the downtrodden, the meek, the beaten.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Obviously. God favors the downtrodden, the meek, the beaten.

And the millionaire athlete.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Yep, pretty much so. But any chance I can get to ensure people see how that sorry Iranian bastage is, I'll take it. On the flip side, when Yasser Arafat was on his death bed, Sharon said he wished Arafat would recover. There are bad guys and there are good guys. It's absolute, not relative. Ahmadinejad is Evil, Robertson is mis-guided.

And Sharon is good. Probably not pure good, but everything I know about him makes me think he's a good man.

[Schmidty]

The more I think about this the more angry I get at Robertson. He claims to be a man of God, yet he deigns to think he can speak God's mind and intentions? How unbelievably despicable on so many levels.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

He's a step beyond "misguided." That entails some notion of innocence. Robertson has none of that in his statements. It's hate, pure and simple.

[duckman]

Do what most of us Christians do when Robertson speaks: ignore him.

[Bubba Wheels]

Well, this is not to defend Robertson, just an observation no one else would dare make. If, indeed, God's Word (the Bible) says that any one who would dare to partition land God Himself has deeded to His chosen people (Israel) would suffer God's punishment for doing that...well its just interesting that when Jesus spoke about God's intentions those who heard Him attempted to stone Him for it. And the Bible does clearly state God's intentions, and the land belonging to Israel is one of them.

But then, that becomes a matter of believing that the Bible is actually God's Word.

The timing of this happening to Sharon is very interesting to me also, as I have heard (and stated before) that since the 80s the time frame for the end of the Church Era is somewhere between 2006-2012 according to many various Bible scholars. Drastic changes to take place.

[Flasch186]

I see your true Colors shining through
I see your true colors....

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

arrggh. i hate pat robertson.

Not according to the media you don't. He's your spokesman and the media's "proof" that being spiritual is evil and wrong.

I really am beginning to not trust our media is looking out for us anymore. They are just there to generate anger to sell more papers. Modern 'journalists' are very good at their skillcraft if this thread is any indication.

[Flasch186]

um, Dutch, he said it...I saw the footage with my own two eyes...on Fox or CNN, the footage is still the same.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

um, Dutch, he said it...I saw the footage with my own two eyes...on Fox or CNN, the footage is still the same.

It doesn't make him the freaking mouthpiece for the Christian faith. Once you get that through your thick skull the better off the planet will be. Geesh!

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by duckman

It doesn't make him the freaking mouthpiece for the Christian faith. Once you get that through your thick skull the better off the planet will be. Geesh!

And Evangelicals are not the entire Christian Faith...I agree that he is shunned as an idiot by even most Christians but check out those ratings for his shows, many many people watch, listen, and agree.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

And Evangelicals are not the entire Christian Faith...I agree that he is shunned as an idiot by even most Christians but check out those ratings for his shows, many many people watch, listen, and agree.

How much is "many many?"

The fact is you don't have a clue about what Christians believe except what you read in the newspaper and see on TV. Do everybody a favor a get off that high horse you're sitting a on and pull your head out your ass because you are no better than anybody else. You're another speck in the universe among billions of other little specks. Your holier than thou routine is wearing thin with me.

[Flasch186]

but I do know what Pat Robertson thinks...which is what this thread was about so why did you bring your judgment(s) in here...

I sarcastically said "Evangelicals should be proud"....you think that they should be.

There are many Jews who say stupid things that I would not be proud of...is Robertson exempt.

If you think my holier than thou attitude means something to you, then perhaps you should look at you....cuz me, is me, and this is who I am, on here, and in life...helps me go to bed at night and live a full life that allows me to treat others the way I want to be treated. How's what you do working out for you? I hope well....

Since I pass the Howard Litmus test, Ill continue to be me, thank you very much.

And Pat Robertson is still a clown and an Evangelical, and with sarcasm I say, they should be so proud of him

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by duckman

How much is "many many?"

The fact is you don't have a clue about what Christians believe except what you read in the newspaper and see on TV. Do everybody a favor a get off that high horse you're sitting a on and pull your head out your ass because you are no better than anybody else. You're another speck in the universe among billions of other little specks. Your holier than thou routine is wearing thin with me.

I've actually never gotten the impression that he thinks that he knows everything about what Christians believe, nor have I ever seen him insult Christianity as a religion or belief-set. The only thing I've seen him do is call out asshats like Robertson and Jerry Falwell. I'm sure he knows that all Christians aren't like that. The problem is that the media only shows the world the loudmouth twits, not the normal, caring follower of Christ.

[Flasch186]

Not bad, I didnt even know that they were doing that good back then, and on the rise. Good for them (not sarcastic)...

922000 DAILY!!


Fox Family Channel


October 13, 2001


BROOKE GLADSTONE: One television product that is always engaged in matters of faith is Pat Robertson's 700 Club, the most watched evangelical Christian program in America. On September 13th the 700 Club played host to Jerry Falwell who pointed his finger at pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians and the ACLU saying they've angered God and helped the terrorist attacks to happen.

BOB GARFIELD: That statement and Pat Robertson's agreement were universally denounced in the mainstream media.



http://www.backchannelmedia.com/news...eps_In_Tr.html

The 700 Club - November 2004 Sweeps In - Tremendous Ratings Growth
Backchannelmedia Feb 21, 2005

December Reaches Ten Year Ratings High

Shows Renewed Interest in Family and Faith Oriented Content

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., January 20, 2005-- The 700 Club's average daily audience, according to AC Nielsen's November sweeps, is up 26% over last year. At a time when most daily shows are struggling The 700 Club is experiencing tremendous increases. November's average daily audience of 922,000 households is the highest in ten years and we experienced the same success in October and November. John Turver, Vice President of Marketing, said, "I attribute the ratings spike to strong program content, great distribution, and a trend in America towards family friendly and faith-based programming." This audience success has carried over to The Christian Broadcasting Network's website, www.cbn.com,. As one of the most popular Christian sites on the web there was a 28% jump in unique user sessions (15.3 million) from year to year and a 60% increase in page views (61 million), which resulted in a 7% growth in average session times to 15.8 minutes, according to Web Methods.

The 700 Club is a live television program that airs weekdays before a studio audience from the Christian Broadcasting Network's (CBN) broadcast facilities in Virginia Beach, Va. On the air continuously since 1966, it is one of the longest-running programs in broadcast history and can be seen in 95% of homes in America. Hosted by Pat Robertson, Terry Meeuwsen, Kristi Watts and Gordon Robertson, with news anchor Lee Webb, The 700 Club is a mix of news and commentary, interviews, feature stories and Christian ministry. The program is carried on The ABC Family Channel three times daily and is seen in 104 million homes by local broadcast syndication. It is seen daily by approximately one million households and over 17 million over the course of a month.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I've actually never gotten the impression that he thinks that he knows everything about what Christians believe, nor have I ever seen him insult Christianity as a religion or belief-set. The only thing I've seen him do is call out asshats like Robertson and Jerry Falwell. I'm sure he knows that all Christians aren't like that. The problem is that the media only shows the world the loudmouth twits, not the normal, caring follower of Christ.

thanks

[st.cronin]

I'm just amazed that Sharon got pregnant, even if we disagree about the how.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

thanks

No problem.

I don't agree with you a lot of times, and I 'do' know that you enjoy stirring things up for a good argument, but I think you've got a well-meaning heart.

[Dutch]

The program is carried on The ABC Family Channel three times daily and is seen in 104 million homes by local broadcast syndication. It is seen daily by approximately one million households and over 17 million over the course of a month.

How else could we break those numbers down? Less than one point on the Nielson rating? One in 200 households watch it daily? One in twelve catch a glimpse of it one time a month?

I always thought that older people watch the 700 Club. That probably makes up the majority of it's audience.

[Flasch186]

obviously, Im viewing it in perspective but for its niche market, its doing VERY well. Which is good, when Robertson's not saying something assinine, Id rather have children watching that than some of the other scandalous crap that comes on TV. MTV immediately jumps to mind.

oh, and to your questions, I dont know, I just did an internet search...its late.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

but I do know what Pat Robertson thinks...which is what this thread was about so why did you bring your judgment(s) in here...

So does everyone who has ever listened to him. Congratulations!

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I sarcastically said "Evangelicals should be proud"....you think that they should be.

I like for you pull up a quote where I have EVER said that. Happy hunting! And when you can't find one, that makes you a liar (some "honest" person you are ).

Originally Posted by Flasch186

There are many Jews who say stupid things that I would not be proud of...is Robertson exempt.

I never said he was exempt from scrutiny. What I take exception is your implication that if Pat Robertson's comments are the reflection of the entire Chrisitian religion when you don't have any facts to back it up. You've bought into the entire hyperbole, sheep.

Originally Posted by Flasch186

If you think my holier than thou attitude means something to you, then perhaps you should look at you....cuz me, is me, and this is who I am, on here, and in life...helps me go to bed at night and live a full life that allows me to treat others the way I want to be treated. How's what you do working out for you? I hope well....

Since I pass the Howard Litmus test, Ill continue to be me, thank you very much.

You so full of shit. You just lied about myself saying that Robertson was right. If you can sleep at night knowing that then you are just as big of a hypocrite that I have imagined. At least I'm honest with myself.

Originally Posted by Flasch186

And Pat Robertson is still a clown and an Evangelical, and with sarcasm I say, they should be so proud of him

You're right. He's a gigantic asshat. It still doesn't make him the mouthpiece of the Evangelicals. If you were smart, you would ignore him like the vast majority of Christians do.

[Flasch186]

the you think that they should be....was a question. I left off the ? does that change anything.....Never would I assume to know your thoughts...Just Robertson's on this particular issue. Not a liar, just a bad typer..put that in the pipe.

Kinda funny to find a quote where you would say, "Evangelicals should be proud of Pat Robertson." No one would ever say that....it was a rhtorical question. too funny that your diatribe is based on my typo. LOL...sorry, but that is kinda funny.

I am definitely not a hypocrite, I walk my talk.

[duckman]

922,000 of 50 million Evangelical Christians? That's a whopping 1.8%. Wow, you really proved me wrong there.

[Flasch186]

DOLA:

the title of the thread had one of my typo's in it LOL too funny.