Barnett out at Colorado?

[vtbub]

It's the breaking news bug on ESPNEWS, but the web site is not as forrward. Anyone else hearing this? And where?

[vtbub]

Dola, ESPN and SGS-Blog is quoting the Denver Post. Click on the sig.

[Blade6119]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....cu/index.html

[Ksyrup]

Could be posturing, but ESPN's article quotes Barnett as not being aware of it.

[scooper]

Sources are now reporting that Gary Barnett will hold a press conference this afternoon to withdraw his name from consideration for the open job at Colorado.

[vex]

Barnett is out, Nutt is probable coach.

[gkb]

This news pleases me.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by scooper

Sources are now reporting that Gary Barnett will hold a press conference this afternoon to withdraw his name from consideration for the open job at Colorado.

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Open job?

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

???? ????

Open job?

I think it was a joke (Barnett wanting to save face, etc)...

[RPI-Fan]

So when is Barnett going to break out with:

"This is not a 'firing'... I prefer to call it an.. 'ordeal'. "

[st.cronin]

Well, I guess the University is tired of having a good football team.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, I guess the University is tired of having a good football team.

They've been looking for an excuse to ditch him since the Katie Hnida thing. This has been a long time coming.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

They've been looking for an excuse to ditch him since the Katie Hnida thing. This has been a long time coming.

I was under the impression that Barnett had won that particular battle - that his accusers had been discredited, and so forth.

[MrBug708]

MY guess is that half the staff will end up at UCLA. Call it a hunch...

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by vexroid

Barnett is out, Nutt is probable coach.

WTF.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by vexroid

Barnett is out, Nutt is probable coach.

Wouldn't that be sort of latteral move for Nutt?

[Ksyrup]

No more wanking around with Dick and Johnson for Nutt.

[IMetTrentGreen]

barnett is the best on the field coach in the big 12, by a wide margin. only stoops and snyder could even see him

too bad he's a prick and a cheater

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I was under the impression that Barnett had won that particular battle - that his accusers had been discredited, and so forth.

Yeah, I thought if, anything, it would have to do with the parties story from a year or two ago. That said, isn't he a pretty good coach and someone who schools with openings would want to pursue?

SI

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I was under the impression that Barnett had won that particular battle - that his accusers had been discredited, and so forth.

The thing is that the brouhaha for Barnett was never the rape allegation. It was what he said about Katie Hnida in response to a question about the allegation.

"Coach, what's your take on the accusation of rape by Katie Hnida?"

"She was a terrible kicker, it's not a surprise that the guys didn't like her" (paraphrased)

True or not, totally inappropriate in relation to the topic, which was an alleged rape. The way he said it, it sounded as though he were blaming her kicking (in)abilities for the rape.

If he had said something like "So-and-so assures me it's not true, and I stand by my players, but we will take appropriate action if the facts warrant it," that would have been another matter, and the whole thing becomes a non-issue.

It's not so much whether the rape happened. It's how he handled the situation.

[scooper]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

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Open job?

It's kind of an inside joke on ND boards based on Barnett publicly withdrawing his name from consideration when he was never a candidate to begin with back when Davie was hired. I believe he's done so with other jobs as well as a Nebraska fan friend of mine makes the same joke with every job that opens up. A couple weeks ago, he sent me an e-mail about Barnett withdrawing from Temple.

[JasonC23]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

So when is Barnett going to break out with:

"This is not a 'firing'... I prefer to call it an.. 'ordeal'. "

Wait, so, Barnett will not accept a firing?

[RPI-Fan]

I also noticed that Barnett talked about how he'd be as good as Texas if he recruiting was a "level playing field" (meaning CU didn't have sanctions).

Jeez, jackass, did you ever think about avoiding those sanctions in the first place?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, I thought if, anything, it would have to do with the parties story from a year or two ago. That said, isn't he a pretty good coach and someone who schools with openings would want to pursue?

SI

Whoever gets him will be lucky. All the stuff about Hnida and the other allegations was just craziness - not a single allegation actually turned out to have any merit.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

The thing is that the brouhaha for Barnett was never the rape allegation. It was what he said about Katie Hnida in response to a question about the allegation.

"Coach, what's your take on the accusation of rape by Katie Hnida?"

"She was a terrible kicker, it's not a surprise that the guys didn't like her" (paraphrased)

True or not, totally inappropriate in relation to the topic, which was an alleged rape. The way he said it, it sounded as though he were blaming her kicking (in)abilities for the rape.

If he had said something like "So-and-so assures me it's not true, and I stand by my players, but we will take appropriate action if the facts warrant it," that would have been another matter, and the whole thing becomes a non-issue.

It's not so much whether the rape happened. It's how he handled the situation.

I'll agree with the last sentence. He should have handled the situation better. In fact, he should have just kept his mouth shut most of the time.

But the above quote was not answered in response to the Katie Hnida rape allegation, even though that's what everyone thinks now. The real interview had these quotes from Gary:

CU head football coach Gary Barnett also spoke to reporters in Boulder Tuesday. He said he talked with Hnida on a regular basis when she played on the team and that she never told him she was sexually assaulted.

Barnett released a statement as well, saying, "Obviously, Katie's recent allegations have prompted me to once more make serious inquires into these accusations. I asked Katie's female academic counselor if Katie ever said anything to her about problems or issues while she was here and that answer was no.

"I have since Monday had numerous calls and conversations with both male teammates and female staff members about Katie's time here and to date, no one can substantiate her allegations."

He was ok to this point. Where he blew it was when he was asked why she didn't play more, why she didn't get onto the field and why she didn't have respect in the locker room. He THEN gave the quote you are talking about sack:

"It was obvious Katie was not very good, She was awful. You know what guys do? They respect your ability. You can be 90 years old, but if you can go out and play, they'll respect you. Katie was not only a girl, she was terrible. OK? There's no other way to say it."

If this were Gary talking about a former player who had complained of playing time, there wouldn't have been a peep. But he should have known better. He was answering these questions in a situation that was already spiraling out of control. He should have just said "she didn't play because she couldn't beat out the other player" or "she wasn't on the team long enough to earn the respect of the guys, it would have came"

Instead, he told the truth. She sucked. She couldn't kick. The guys hated her.

Big, big mistake. But a little different than the perception tha the media has put out, the one recounted like your post above sack.

[Coffee Warlord]

I want Rick Neuheisel back!

[gkb]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I want Rick Neuheisel back!

Oh lord...please no.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I want Rick Neuheisel back!

Take it back.

Take it back NOW.

My preference if for Pat Hill. But the program is in some trouble now, no matter who takes over. The scandals really hurt the program and put it in a place that will be tough to recover from.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Take it back.

Take it back NOW.

My preference if for Pat Hill. But the program is in some trouble now, no matter who takes over. The scandals really hurt the program and put it in a place that will be tough to recover from.

ORDEALS, god damnit, ORDEALS!

[st.cronin]

I can't imagine anybody wanting the Colorado job.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I can't imagine anybody wanting the Colorado job.

Not anyone who feels they can get a job at one of the other major state unversities. For someone who needs a chance to make a name, it would be a good spot. If your a cordinator at a lower Div1 team, or a head coach at a lower division, it would be a good gig.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I can't imagine anybody wanting the Colorado job.

I'll bet $20 that some CU fan logs onto the UTEP board within 24 hours and claims that CU is gonna go after Mike Price...

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I can't imagine anybody wanting the Colorado job.

Not sure about that, apparently somebody wanted the Temple job that got filled this week...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Klinglerware

Not sure about that, apparently somebody wanted the Temple job that got filled this week...

I think Temple is a better job than Colorado, paycheck aside.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Take it back.

Take it back NOW.

My preference if for Pat Hill. But the program is in some trouble now, no matter who takes over. The scandals really hurt the program and put it in a place that will be tough to recover from.

Hey, good old Ricky was cool....when me and him were chatting at Outback and he wasn't actually coaching (or whatever you called that).

I miss chanting "Ben Kelly's Great."

[duckman]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I can't imagine anybody wanting the Colorado job.

I can. There's talent on that team. I think Barnett has done a shitty job of preparing the team the past couple years. Hell, they basically backed into the division title the last two seasons. I don't think it's the players' faults that their program is riddled with controversy.

This scandal is very similar to OU scandals of the late 1980's that forced Switzer to resign. The only major difference is that the sanctions are not as stiff as the Sooners was. If they can get a competent coach, the program will turn around in a hurry.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by duckman

I can. There's talent on that team. I think Barnett has done a shitty job of preparing the team the past couple years. Hell, they basically backed into the division title the last two seasons. I don't think it's the players' faults that their program is riddled with controversy.

This scandal is very similar to OU scandals of the late 1980's that forced Switzer to resign. The only major difference is that the sanctions are not as stiff as the Sooners was. If they can get a competent coach, the program will turn around in a hurry.

The big difference in Colorado as far as I can tell is that the administration doesn't want a succesful football program.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The big difference in Colorado as far as I can tell is that the administration doesn't want a succesful football program.

I don't think that's even remotely true. Colorado has a rich football tradition. They've won 26 conference championships, 1 national championship, and have a .615 winning percentage (not counting this year).

To let it slide into the abyss would coust the university millions of dollars in donations to other departments because many are football backers as well.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by duckman

I don't think that's even remotely true. Colorado has a rich football tradition. They've won 26 conference championships, 1 national championship, and have a .615 winning percentage (not counting this year).

To let it slide into the abyss would coust the university millions of dollars in donations to other departments because many are football backers as well.

To a certain extent, I agree with you, although it's an open question whether even highly succesful football programs are, in terms of pure university dollars, worth it.

But I think you have to agree: There is definitely something weird going on in Colorado,.

[MrBug708]

Jon Embree has been mentioned as a possible candidate

[gkb]

Wasn't Gary Kubiak mentioned around here during the "ordeals"? I can't see any reason why he'd take the job.

[thealmighty]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

???? ????

Hand job?

"I did NOT have manual relations with that kicker."

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The big difference in Colorado as far as I can tell is that the administration doesn't want a succesful football program.

In that respect there's a lot of similarity to the situation at Washington. There have been enough scandals associated with the football team that it's easy to imagine that the upper campus has set the priorities to be:

1. Stay out of trouble;
2. Prioritize good students and kids over talent;
3. Do as best you can while adhering to the above requirements

In the case of Washington, we hired a squeaky clean AD who's never run a highly successful football program who in turn hired a football coach that, in the minds of many, was brought in as much for the perception he'll keep the team out of trouble and will bring in high-character guys as he was for any on-field success he's had.

In the case of Colorado, they self-imposed recruiting restraints that potentially put them at a disadvantage, and appear to be firing a pretty good coach not because of what he did on the field, but what he did off the field (and even then the reasoning is kind of iffy).

The common thread of course is that in the wake of having Rick Neuheisel as football coach, both programs had to deal with a lot of unwanted attention from the NCAA.

[IMetTrentGreen]

it just occured to me the the already lame big 12 north just lost its two best coached. if they aren't replaced (i like the virginia guy, but he's unproven), it'll mccartney and mangino, who haven't set the world on fire, exactly. awful

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Take it back.

Take it back NOW.

My preference if for Pat Hill. But the program is in some trouble now, no matter who takes over. The scandals really hurt the program and put it in a place that will be tough to recover from.

Take it back.

Take it back NOW.

Hill would kick ass at a bigger school, though. I'm just selfish.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

it just occured to me the the already lame big 12 north just lost its two best coached. if they aren't replaced (i like the virginia guy, but he's unproven), it'll mccartney and mangino, who haven't set the world on fire, exactly. awful

I was at a loss on the virginia OC getting hired at K-state...virginias offense hasnt wowed anyone(something like 56th in the nation), i dont see the kind of marquee talent being developed, and overall i was highly dissapointed(coming from a k-state rival fan thats saying something). What endears him to you, as for me its was a rather poor hiring unless the whole basis was that he was a minority and that might help either PR or recruiting.

[IMetTrentGreen]

What endears him to you, as for me its was a rather poor hiring unless the whole basis was that he was a minority and that might help either PR or recruiting.

thats exactly it. ive heard he's a good recruiter, which is important in manhatten, ks. and i think thee offensive output is based on that awful qb that have, hagans. he'll be inheriting a good one in that soph., and different players almost always have different results. like i said, im optimistic for them, but not sold

[bronconick]

Jeff Bowden's available for a coaching job.


Just sayin'

[IMetTrentGreen]

jeff bowden and chuck long should get together and be co-head coaches someplace. it might be the first time a team scores no points all year

[terpkristin]

Wait, is it FINALLY official?

I mean, they've been saying it for a day or two now, but has the University finally acknowledged it?

/tk