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(POL) Indiana State Senator wants to make unwed mothers into criminals
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The Crime of "Unauthorized Reproduction" New law will require marriage as a legal condition of motherhood By Laura McPhee Republican lawmakers are drafting new legislation that will make marriage a requirement for motherhood in the state of Indiana, including specific criminal penalties for unmarried women who do become pregnant "by means other than sexual intercourse." According to a draft of the recommended change in state law, every woman in Indiana seeking to become a mother throu gh assisted reproduction therapy such as in vitro fertilization, sperm donation, and egg donation, must first file for a "petition for parentage" in their local county probate court. Only women who are married will be considered for the "gestational certificate" that must be presented to any doctor who facilitates the pregnancy. Further, the "gestational certificate" will only be given to married couples that successfully complete the same screening process currently required by law of adoptive parents. As it the draft of the new law reads now, an intended parent "who knowingly or willingly participates in an artificial reproduction procedure" without court approval, "commits unauthorized reproduction, a Class B misdemeanor." The criminal charges will be the same for physicians who commit "unauthorized practice of artificial reproduction." The change in Indiana law to require marriage as a condition for motherhood and criminalizing "unauthorized reproduction" was introduced at a summer meeting of the Indiana General Assembly's Health Finance Commission on September 29 and a final version of the bill will come up for a vote at the next meeting at the end of this month. Republican Senator Patricia Miller is both the Health Finance Commission Chair and the sponsor of the bill. She believes the new law will protect children in the state of Indiana and make parenting laws more explicit. According to Sen. Miller, the laws prohibiting surrogacy in the state of Indiana are currently too vague and unenforceable, and that is the purpose of the new legislation. "But it's not just surrogacy," Miller told NUVO. " The law is vague on all types of extraordinary types of infertility treatment, and we wanted to address that as well." "Ordinary treatment would be the mother's egg and the father's sperm. But now there are a lot of extraordinary thing s that raise issues of who has legal rights as parents," she explained when asked what she considers "extraordinary" infertility treatment. Sen. Miller believes the requirement of marriage for parenting is for the benefit of the children that result from infertility treatments. "We did want to address the issue of whether or not the law should allow single people to be parents. Studies have shown that a child raised by both parents - a mother and a father - do better. So, we do want to have laws that protect the children," she explained. When asked specifically if she believes marriage should be a requirement for motherhood, and if that is part of the bill's intention, Sen. Miller responded, "Yes. Yes, I do." A draft of the legislation is available on the Health Finance Commission website
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10-05-2005, 01:13 PM | #2 |
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Meh.
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10-05-2005, 01:14 PM | #3 |
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The thread title is slightly misleading--the legislation seems to be aimed at gay and lesbian couples. But, yes--people who fall under the traditional perception of the unwed mother (teenage girl in trouble) look like they are affected by this too...
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10-05-2005, 01:19 PM | #4 |
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"The Republican Party: Out of your Pocketbook and into your Vagina"
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10-05-2005, 01:26 PM | #5 |
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Wow.
I guess you can legislate morality. |
10-05-2005, 01:30 PM | #6 |
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I thought Republicans were anti-Communist? What's with the state owned uteruses?
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10-05-2005, 01:34 PM | #7 |
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On further reflection, this is an interesting approach.
It goes like this: the law says you must be married in order to be a parent. The law (disclaimer: I don't know if Indiana is one of the states to have passed this particular state constitutional amendment) says gay and lesbian couples may not marry. Therefore, gay and lesbian couples may not legally raise children. That's gotta be violating the equal protection clause of the Constitution. I can see where they're trying to go with this, but I can't see what legal limbo would be required to actually achieve that. |
10-05-2005, 01:39 PM | #8 |
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Is there a new wave of extreme puritanism in the USA right now? i don't follow a lot politcs there but looking at the recent threads posted here and some random news from internet it looks so. I think there are things more important to fix in this world that what is each woman doing with her vagina...but probably this is a good way to make ppl think on other things than the real issues.
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10-05-2005, 01:40 PM | #9 | |
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10-05-2005, 01:49 PM | #10 | |
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Wait.....Protecting children from what? On top of that...this entire bill just reminds me why I am scared of the way we are going...government involvement in day to day lives.... I honestly don't know if I am able to express my dismay at this in the proper fashion, without bashing, so I will hold back altogether...
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10-05-2005, 01:51 PM | #11 | |
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10-05-2005, 01:57 PM | #12 | |
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10-05-2005, 01:57 PM | #13 | |
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I only read this one, and don't agree with it at all, but how does this affect the "teenage girl in trouble?" How many of them go to get an assisted pregnancy? |
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10-05-2005, 01:59 PM | #14 |
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That's my state!
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10-05-2005, 02:01 PM | #15 |
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This has to be for people who don't have sexual intercourse to get pregnant. Seems like they have plenty of other stuff they could be legislating instead of this.
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10-05-2005, 02:02 PM | #16 | |
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"Republican lawmakers are drafting new legislation that will make marriage a requirement for motherhood in the state of Indiana..." There are extra punishments if the woman gets pregnant without a man getting laid. |
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10-05-2005, 02:04 PM | #17 | |
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I think bob is right. The only prohibitions are on people seeking to get assistance in having a baby. The opening sentence is confusing, but I don't think it applies to people having sex to have kids. Either way, it is a horrible idea.
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10-05-2005, 02:04 PM | #18 |
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If they are looking to close Indiana this is a great idea.
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10-05-2005, 02:06 PM | #19 |
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I don't think this bill has any chance of being passed. Mrs. Bigs is right, this is just paying lip service to fundamentalists. Regardless, it's retarded and offensive on many levels. Senator Patricia Miller is an ass.
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10-05-2005, 02:06 PM | #20 |
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I think it is a poorly written first sentence (or written intentionally that way to scare more people).
Stupid idea that will never pass. |
10-05-2005, 02:09 PM | #21 |
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Morons.
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10-05-2005, 02:39 PM | #23 |
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I can't believe how down you all are a bill intended to get more women to have sex with the dudes. Apparently the state representatives are just not getting enough play, and it's high time they take action. Hot MILF-to-be's for everyone!
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10-05-2005, 02:47 PM | #24 |
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I do like the part that says that the state can determine who would be acceptable parents, and they will issue "gestational certificates." Now, will they also provide subsidized birth control to those who they find "undesirable?" Or will that violate another part of their legislated morality?
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10-05-2005, 02:49 PM | #25 |
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where is Jim in GA.
Imagine that I knew it was a republican backed bill before I even read it. How can that be? incredulous, you are, on this, I say.
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10-05-2005, 02:58 PM | #26 |
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Hmmm...so if you get divorced, does that mean you have to have an abortion? Things that make you go...hmmmmm.
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10-05-2005, 03:17 PM | #28 |
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Dola, I sense this is to increase sales in marriage certificates. Imagine your rabbit having babies while unmarried. Perish the thought!!!
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Gotta laugh as I just got this one in my inbox:
In the year 2005, The Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in United States, and said, "Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save two of every living thing along with a few good humans." He gave Noah the blueprints, saying, "You have six months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights". Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard, but no ark. "Noah", He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?" "Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah. "But things have changed. I needed a building permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system. My neighbors claim that I've violated the neighborhood Home Owner's Association zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Planning and Zoning Board for a decision. Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power, overpasses and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I argued that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it. Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls. But no go! When I started gathering the animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. As well, they argued the accommodation was too ! restricti ve and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space. Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood. I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew. Also, the trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark building experience. To make matters worse, the Customs and Immigration Agency seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species. So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least ten years for me to finish this Ark." Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean you're not going to destroy the world?". "No", said the Lord. "The Government has beat me to it."
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10-05-2005, 11:32 PM | #31 |
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On my ranking of States I Would Enjoy Living In, Indiana comes in 50th. It smells like feet.
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10-06-2005, 12:41 AM | #32 |
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I got a feeling the Republicans could be losing some of it's muscle to Dems after the 2008 elections.
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This is just an example of the loony bills that the fringes from both sides introduce. All it takes is one person to draft legislation. I would be surprised if it even gets out of committee. And the Democrats control the Indiana legislature. It's not going anywhere.
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Doesn't that at least put it above New Jersey, which smells like ass? SI
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10-06-2005, 10:58 AM | #36 |
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The bill has been withdrawn. The sponsor gave one sentence of explanation, something to the effect of things being more complicated than she thought.
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I though the Dems had the stronger muscles in the 90's, in terms of power? I don't remember a party being as bad as the Republicans in the the Bush era. |
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That probably depends on your view of which side is good and which is bad. I know a lot of Republicans would say the Dems under Clinton were worse. Personally, I say it's all politics as usual.
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Yes, like someone else in the legislature pointing our her idiocy, hopefully loudly and publicly. |
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This is a good example of the lunacy that occurs as a result of one party wielding too much power.
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I agree...But this I meant, that the Republicans seem to be even annoying some of it's own party. |
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Such as the fact that it's BLATENTLY unconstitutional? The right to reproductive freedom makes up the right to privacy under Substantive Due Process. A bill designed to limit that reproductive freedom would get struck down in a heartbeat. There isn't a response that can be made by the state other than "We should over turn Griswold", to which the answer is "Fat fucking chance of that".
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This is where I was on this. This wasn't a Republican bill, this was a moronic idea. The Dems have plenty of morons on their side of the aisle as well. Just take a look at the idiotoc gun laws the Dems proposed/passed in California. When it was brought up in debate that one law would outlaw the .22 caliber hand guns used in Olympic competition, the bill sponsor simply said that prospective Olympians were more than welcome to move to another state. Note: the above was just an example..I'm am most definately not comparing the idiocy of the two "laws". The essentially anti gay parenting bill shows a level of contempt for fellow citizens only hinted at by the moron in California. |
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I have heard there are nice parts of New Jersey, plus they've got that whole East Coast Superiority Complex going for them, so it rates comfortably ahead of Indiana. |
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It's nice to see that the Indiana legislature has tackled and elliminated any petty and miniscule problems like, unemployment, crime, welfare, and health care and can now finaly get to the really serious problems that affect Indiana and it's citizens.
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I see the same argument brought up here all the time when someone proposes the passing of a stadium bill for the Twins or Vikings. These problems will never go away. Sometimes the 'unimportant' things need to be done as well. (Not an endorsement of the bill, I just don't like seeing this argument used against proposed legislation)
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