NL Worst (NL West)

tdydynasty · 07-30-2005, 02:37 PM

Will the winner be below .500. If so, they should take they playoff spot away. The winner may lose 100 games and still win.

Vince · 07-30-2005, 02:38 PM

From a diehard Giants fan...

...the NL West winner might well be the worst playoff team in MLB History.

SackAttack · 07-30-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tdydynasty

If so, they should take they playoff spot away.

Why? Statistically speaking when you have small divisions something like this is bound to happen sooner or later.

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The winner may lose 100 games and still win.

Now you're just getting hyperbolic. The Padres already have 51 wins, Arizona has 50, LA has 47, and SF has 45. Terribly sub-par for a division leader, I agree, but are you seriously suggesting that with an unbalanced schedule, none of these teams can eke out 20-25 wins in the final 60ish games?

clintl · 07-30-2005, 04:55 PM

With all the games these teams will play within the division in September, they can't all stay cold for the rest of the season. Someone is going to be over .500 when it's over.

AgustusM · 07-30-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Now you're just getting hyperbolic. The Padres already have 51 wins, Arizona has 50, LA has 47, and SF has 45. Terribly sub-par for a division leader, I agree, but are you seriously suggesting that with an unbalanced schedule, none of these teams can eke out 20-25 wins in the final 60ish games?

not to mention the large number of games that these teams play against each other - I am sure it is all but statistically impossible for a 100 loss winner.

in the end - I believe the winner will be something like 84-78

clintl · 07-30-2005, 05:11 PM

It was the strike year, so we don't know how things might have ended, but the 1994 AL West was worse. Texas was 10 games under .500 and leading the division at the time of the strike.

tdydynasty · 07-30-2005, 05:19 PM

100 loss winner is all but out. It is seeming this way the teams have been playing lately. 90 loss winner is almost out of the question. For a 90 loss winner to happen. The 5 teams have to lose all remaining non-NL West games (extremely unlikely) and the Rockies sweep their NL West opponets and the other 4 split their games. (again extremely unlikely) Below .500 winner is still possible.

tdydynasty · 07-30-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by clintl

It was the strike year, so we don't know how things might have ended, but the 1994 AL West was worse. Texas was 10 games under .500 and leading the division at the time of the strike.

It would have been interesting to see what the finish to the AL West would have been. The 1994 NL West had a team just above .500 when the strike hit. 2 teams in 1994 could have been playoff teams below .500.

SackAttack · 07-30-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tdydynasty

100 loss winner is all but out. It is seeming this way the teams have been playing lately. 90 loss winner is almost out of the question. For a 90 loss winner to happen. The 5 teams have to lose all remaining non-NL West games (extremely unlikely) and the Rockies sweep their NL West opponets and the other 4 split their games. (again extremely unlikely) Below .500 winner is still possible.

Sure. A sub-.500 winner will happen, sooner or later. It's a statistical inevitability.

But with the schedules arranged the way they are, I would be shocked if a 90 or 100 loss champion EVER happens. 78-84, sure. More than that would take astonishing mediocrity within the division by all teams in question and atrocious performance outside of the division.

Buccaneer · 07-30-2005, 06:32 PM

Awww man, it's embarassing enough as a Pads fan and now you have to make a poll about it?

henry296 · 07-30-2005, 06:45 PM

I think in 87 the Twins only had ~84 wins and won the division, in the 2 division per league era.

Arles · 07-30-2005, 09:21 PM

I said the DBacks could end up with 80-85 wins this season. Little did I know that could be enough to win the division

clintl · 07-30-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

I think in 87 the Twins only had ~84 wins and won the division, in the 2 division per league era.

The Mets only won 83 in 1973, and made it to the World Series.

Buccaneer · 07-30-2005, 09:41 PM

If you count the 1981 season, KC had a losing record to make the playoffs.

SackAttack · 07-30-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

If you count the 1981 season, KC had a losing record to make the playoffs.

I don't think you can count that one, though, because they split the season into two halves and took the division leaders from each half. You could be 30-25 after the first half and then go 15-30 the 2nd half, for a record of 45-55, but still make the playoffs if that 30-25 led the division when the strike hit.

clintl · 07-31-2005, 10:57 AM

1981 was a bizarre season in many respects. None of the teams that won the first half title won the second half (in fact, Oakland was the only team to finish as high as second). I think it's fair to say that the first half winners played it safe in the second half, and cruised a bit, since they didn't have anything to play for. They cleaned up in the playoffs for the most part, so they didn't become worse teams after the strike.

Even weirder than KC making the playoffs with a losing record, St. Louis and Cincinnati actually had the best overall records in their divisions in the NL, but they both finished second in each half, so neither made the playoffs.

Easy Mac · 08-07-2005, 09:41 AM

San Diego is now at .500

Congratulations Whale's Vagina

tdydynasty · 09-25-2005, 09:27 PM

San Diego 77-78
San Francisco 73-82 (has to sweep San Diego-2 losses gives San Diego title)
Arizona 72-84 (needs San Francisco to sweep San Diegp and Arizona needs to win last 6 games to have chance)

View Poll Results: Number of Losses for NL West Winner
100 or more	3	8.82%
91 to 100	1	2.94%
82 to 90	15	44.12%
70 to 81	15	44.12%
less than 70	0	0%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

07-30-2005, 02:38 PM	#2
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	From a diehard Giants fan... ...the NL West winner might well be the worst playoff team in MLB History. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

07-30-2005, 06:45 PM	#11
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I think in 87 the Twins only had ~84 wins and won the division, in the 2 division per league era. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-30-2005, 04:55 PM	#4
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	With all the games these teams will play within the division in September, they can't all stay cold for the rest of the season. Someone is going to be over .500 when it's over.

07-30-2005, 05:11 PM	#6
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	It was the strike year, so we don't know how things might have ended, but the 1994 AL West was worse. Texas was 10 games under .500 and leading the division at the time of the strike.

07-30-2005, 05:19 PM	#7
tdydynasty Banned Join Date: Aug 2002	100 loss winner is all but out. It is seeming this way the teams have been playing lately. 90 loss winner is almost out of the question. For a 90 loss winner to happen. The 5 teams have to lose all remaining non-NL West games (extremely unlikely) and the Rockies sweep their NL West opponets and the other 4 split their games. (again extremely unlikely) Below .500 winner is still possible.

07-30-2005, 06:32 PM	#10
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Awww man, it's embarassing enough as a Pads fan and now you have to make a poll about it?

07-30-2005, 09:21 PM	#12
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I said the DBacks could end up with 80-85 wins this season. Little did I know that could be enough to win the division

07-30-2005, 09:41 PM	#14
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	If you count the 1981 season, KC had a losing record to make the playoffs.

07-31-2005, 10:57 AM	#16
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	1981 was a bizarre season in many respects. None of the teams that won the first half title won the second half (in fact, Oakland was the only team to finish as high as second). I think it's fair to say that the first half winners played it safe in the second half, and cruised a bit, since they didn't have anything to play for. They cleaned up in the playoffs for the most part, so they didn't become worse teams after the strike. Even weirder than KC making the playoffs with a losing record, St. Louis and Cincinnati actually had the best overall records in their divisions in the NL, but they both finished second in each half, so neither made the playoffs.

08-07-2005, 09:41 AM	#17
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	San Diego is now at .500 Congratulations Whale's Vagina

09-25-2005, 09:27 PM	#18
tdydynasty Banned Join Date: Aug 2002	San Diego 77-78 San Francisco 73-82 (has to sweep San Diego-2 losses gives San Diego title) Arizona 72-84 (needs San Francisco to sweep San Diegp and Arizona needs to win last 6 games to have chance)

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