Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (and why you shouldnt write it off)

Pyser · 07-09-2005, 01:55 AM

Okay, I just did a search for charlie and the chocolate factory, and this board has been bashing the remake for about a year now, in multiple threads.

Having actually seen it, I have to say I was rather impressed. I guess the most important thing to note is that I wasn't a huge fan of the original. It's fine, but I don't consider it great, and flip past it when it's on tv.

There are some pretty big changes (lots of willy wonka flashbacks), all new songs (thank god, im more familiar with the futurama/family guy oompa loompa parodies than the real songs), no "floating scene", no acid trip on the boat, stuff like that.

I should also mention I think Depp is one of the best actors alive, so I always give him the benefit of the doubt.

The screening, though, was very split. Half the place was laughing a lot, the others weren't. So I guess you are either on board, or you aren't.

The most interesting thing to me was the movie had heart. The beginning to me was downright sad, even though you know what will happen. You lose the heart once you get to the factory, but there really isn't time for any sappy moments when youve got to blow a girl up into a blueberry.

That's as spoiler free as I can make it. I really enjoyed it, having never read the book, and being slightly freaked out by the original.

Oh, and Elfman's score is so damn good...even better than Edward Scissorhands, which I've always held in the highest regard.

SackAttack · 07-09-2005, 02:15 AM

I haven't seen anything yet, either in the trailers or sundry comments about the movie, that is going to overcome my reservations enough to see this on the big screen. I'll hold off and rent it on DVD, or maybe wait for it to hit the various movie channels.

TazFTW · 07-09-2005, 02:16 AM

It still looks like Michael Jackson's Chocolate Factory.

SackAttack · 07-09-2005, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

It still looks like Michael Jackson's Chocolate Factory.

I saw a trailer tonight where one of the kids grabbed him around the legs and hugged him, and he looked a little freaked out, like "why is this little runt touching me?"

That made me feel a little better. Not much, but a little.

Pyser · 07-09-2005, 11:30 AM

willy wonka does not like children in this movie. at all. he doesn't like parents either. come to think of it, he really didnt like anyone for the majority of the film.

Easy Mac · 07-09-2005, 11:33 AM

I think Johnny Depp is greatly overrated.

Celeval · 07-09-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I think Johnny Depp is greatly overrated.

The biggest reason I think Depp is a good actor is that all his characters are characters. While you may look at Wonka or Jack Sparrow and say "Oh, that's Depp", you don't look at Wonka and say "Oh, that's Jack Sparrow". His characters, to me, are very distinct.

Noop · 07-09-2005, 02:47 PM

I think Johnny Deep is a very good actor. I can't remember any movie he made I don't like...

MJ4H · 07-09-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

Oh, and Elfman's score is so damn good...even better than Edward Scissorhands, which I've always held in the highest regard.

Now I REALLY can't wait to see it.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 07-09-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

Okay, I just did a search for charlie and the chocolate factory, and this board has been bashing the remake for about a year now, in multiple threads.

Having actually seen it, I have to say I was rather impressed. I guess the most important thing to note is that I wasn't a huge fan of the original. It's fine, but I don't consider it great, and flip past it when it's on tv.

There are some pretty big changes (lots of willy wonka flashbacks), all new songs (thank god, im more familiar with the futurama/family guy oompa loompa parodies than the real songs), no "floating scene", no acid trip on the boat, stuff like that.

I should also mention I think Depp is one of the best actors alive, so I always give him the benefit of the doubt.

The screening, though, was very split. Half the place was laughing a lot, the others weren't. So I guess you are either on board, or you aren't.

The most interesting thing to me was the movie had heart. The beginning to me was downright sad, even though you know what will happen. You lose the heart once you get to the factory, but there really isn't time for any sappy moments when youve got to blow a girl up into a blueberry.

That's as spoiler free as I can make it. I really enjoyed it, having never read the book, and being slightly freaked out by the original.

Oh, and Elfman's score is so damn good...even better than Edward Scissorhands, which I've always held in the highest regard.

Are th Umpah Loompah's a big part of the movie and are tthey as funny or were they given a dark aura>?

WrongWay · 07-10-2005, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I think Johnny Deep is a very good actor. I can't remember any movie he made I don't like...

"Johnny Deep", sounds like a Porn Star to me.

Anyway, please tell me about Finding Neverland???

What a completely hyped up piece of Shit this thing turned out to be. And, I hated the fact that Depp's acting ability seemed to have been tied down for this movie.

Again, Finding Neverland and Johny Depp were completely off the mark for this movie. I would of loved to of seen Jack Sparrow show up and entertain me.
God, this movie sucked!!!

Suicane75 · 07-10-2005, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Are th Umpah Loompah's a big part of the movie and are tthey as funny or were they given a dark aura>?

From what i can tell, its 1 dude, cgi'd to look like a whole bunch. dissapointing.

timmynausea · 07-10-2005, 04:20 AM

Finding Neverland was good.

Peregrine · 07-10-2005, 07:50 PM

Yeah Finding Neverland was very, very good, I felt. I watched it, then watched it again immediately, great acting by Depp and a very well written story. I was worried it would make Barrie come off as weird to be so involved in the boy's lives, but it came off well.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 07-10-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

From what i can tell, its 1 dude, cgi'd to look like a whole bunch. dissapointing.

Bah!

Young Drachma · 07-10-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

The biggest reason I think Depp is a good actor is that all his characters are characters. While you may look at Wonka or Jack Sparrow and say "Oh, that's Depp", you don't look at Wonka and say "Oh, that's Jack Sparrow". His characters, to me, are very distinct.

I agree. Given his background and how he got into movies, I think he's a pretty cool story and has done well for himself. He's obviously done roles that I don't think if you took another actor and said "here is your dossier of films" that it would've fit them. He does a nice range of work and even if I don't get into those films, I respect the work he puts in for exactly the reason you said.

Pyser · 07-10-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

From what i can tell, its 1 dude, cgi'd to look like a whole bunch. dissapointing.

it is 1 guy, indeed. they are really only around for the songs (but we do get a flashback to see where they came from). i think thats more tim burton's fascination with everything being synchronized, more than anything else. i cant honestly say the movie would have been the least bit better or worse if they were played by multiple characters.

Pyser · 07-15-2005, 11:53 AM

a shameless, shameless, dirty little bump

WSUCougar · 07-15-2005, 12:43 PM

But is there Wonkavision?

Pyser · 07-15-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

But is there Wonkavision?

yup.

clintl · 07-17-2005, 11:14 AM

I went to see it last night. I loved the original, but this version was better. The ending was much, much stronger. Depp's Wonka had a creepiness that Wilder's didn't, and that added to the character. Charlie's whole family is a bigger part of the movie.

As for this:

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From what i can tell, its 1 dude, cgi'd to look like a whole bunch. dissapointing.

it worked really well. There were moments in the movie where it was obvious the humor was playing off the fact that all the Oompa Loompas looked identical.

Normally, I think remakes of classic movies are a bad idea, but in this case, the result was something significantly better.

JeffNights · 07-17-2005, 11:16 AM

I dont think i'll go see this one in the theater, a pure rental here.

Johnny Depp kinda freaks me out in this movie, well from the previews.

CraigSca · 07-17-2005, 11:34 AM

CNN gave it a great review and actually said it was a great family movie. It doesn't seem that the trailers/advertisements aren't doing it justice, if that's the case.

clintl · 07-17-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca

CNN gave it a great review and actually said it was a great family movie. It doesn't seem that the trailers/advertisements aren't doing it justice, if that's the case.

I would agree with CNN that it's a great family movie. I haven't seen the ads and trailers, so I'm not sure how it's being pitched.

Pyser · 07-17-2005, 11:50 AM

all i can say is this:

my GRANDMOTHER just called me to tell me how much she loved this movie. its appealing to everyone. anyone writing it off is really missing out (as ive been trying to say the whole time)

timmynausea · 07-17-2005, 12:22 PM

I thought it was really good.

Desnudo · 07-17-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I think Johnny Depp is greatly overrated.

Do you think Richard Grieco carried 21 Jump Street? Get real.

CraigSca · 07-17-2005, 01:10 PM

Wait, was "21 Jump Street" good enough to be carried by anyone? Isn't that like saying Billy Ripken carried the 1988 Orioles?

Cards4ever · 07-17-2005, 01:19 PM

My 6yo liked it and from the kids I have talked to, they said they like it better then the original. The parents that I have talked to have said it wasn't bad, but not as good as the original. I guess I was worried that it would be too much of a Burton movie and not like it, I think it's worth a look if you liked the original.

Sun Tzu · 07-17-2005, 09:13 PM

Coming from a guy who doesn't really buy into the whole "Depp = today's greatest actor" thing, I was honestly surprised by the movie. Now keep in mind I haven't seen the original (no I haven't been living under a rock, nor am I a communist/facist/work for EA) but I was moved by the film. Wonka definetely had a dark side, and it bugged me that during some of the serious "dark" points in the film, people would laugh just because it's Johnny Depp. I'm guessing those are the people who still see Captain Jack Sparrow whenever they see Depp now. Overall the movie definetely SCREAMED Tim Burton which can be both a good thing and a bad thing. If you're not a fan of Tim Burtons vision then don't bother plopping down the $$$ for this one.

I am not often surprised by a film, but this one did it. I will probably pick this one up when it comes out on DVD as well. On a 1-10 scale I'd give it a 8 1/2.

SFL Cat · 07-17-2005, 09:20 PM

Not a big Burton fan...I've liked Depp in about half the movies I've seen him in...the trailers for the film creeped me out as well. Definitely a rental for me.

DaddyTorgo · 07-17-2005, 09:21 PM

havn't seen it yet, but thought i'd toss in the metacritic link for it

hxxp://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/charlieandthechocolatefactory

Cringer · 07-17-2005, 09:38 PM

Just noticed that the postI thought I made here never went happened, doh.

Anyways, was a great movie to me. My 5 year old daughter and Loren liked it too. I think Burton was actually the perfect guy to do this movie. His style is what this movie needs, it is supposed to be a little odd like that, IMO.

Daimyo · 07-18-2005, 11:22 AM

I saw this last night ans was pleasantly surprised. I liked it a lot... even better than the original IMO.

Raiders Army · 07-18-2005, 11:25 AM

Played poker last night with Wille Wanker. Funny name. Nothing more to contribute to this thread.

07-09-2005, 02:47 PM	#8
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I think Johnny Deep is a very good actor. I can't remember any movie he made I don't like... __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

07-15-2005, 12:43 PM	#19
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	But is there Wonkavision? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-17-2005, 11:34 AM	#23
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	CNN gave it a great review and actually said it was a great family movie. It doesn't seem that the trailers/advertisements aren't doing it justice, if that's the case. __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

07-17-2005, 01:10 PM	#28
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	Wait, was "21 Jump Street" good enough to be carried by anyone? Isn't that like saying Billy Ripken carried the 1988 Orioles? __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

07-17-2005, 01:19 PM	#29
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	My 6yo liked it and from the kids I have talked to, they said they like it better then the original. The parents that I have talked to have said it wasn't bad, but not as good as the original. I guess I was worried that it would be too much of a Burton movie and not like it, I think it's worth a look if you liked the original. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

07-09-2005, 02:15 AM	#2
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I haven't seen anything yet, either in the trailers or sundry comments about the movie, that is going to overcome my reservations enough to see this on the big screen. I'll hold off and rent it on DVD, or maybe wait for it to hit the various movie channels.

07-09-2005, 02:16 AM	#3
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	It still looks like Michael Jackson's Chocolate Factory.

07-09-2005, 11:30 AM	#5
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	willy wonka does not like children in this movie. at all. he doesn't like parents either. come to think of it, he really didnt like anyone for the majority of the film.

07-09-2005, 11:33 AM	#6
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I think Johnny Depp is greatly overrated.

07-10-2005, 04:20 AM	#13
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	Finding Neverland was good.

07-10-2005, 07:50 PM	#14
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Yeah Finding Neverland was very, very good, I felt. I watched it, then watched it again immediately, great acting by Depp and a very well written story. I was worried it would make Barrie come off as weird to be so involved in the boy's lives, but it came off well.

07-15-2005, 11:53 AM	#18
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	a shameless, shameless, dirty little bump

07-17-2005, 11:16 AM	#22
JeffNights College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan	I dont think i'll go see this one in the theater, a pure rental here. Johnny Depp kinda freaks me out in this movie, well from the previews.

07-17-2005, 11:50 AM	#25
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	all i can say is this: my GRANDMOTHER just called me to tell me how much she loved this movie. its appealing to everyone. anyone writing it off is really missing out (as ive been trying to say the whole time)

07-17-2005, 12:22 PM	#26
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	I thought it was really good.

07-17-2005, 09:13 PM	#30
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Coming from a guy who doesn't really buy into the whole "Depp = today's greatest actor" thing, I was honestly surprised by the movie. Now keep in mind I haven't seen the original (no I haven't been living under a rock, nor am I a communist/facist/work for EA) but I was moved by the film. Wonka definetely had a dark side, and it bugged me that during some of the serious "dark" points in the film, people would laugh just because it's Johnny Depp. I'm guessing those are the people who still see Captain Jack Sparrow whenever they see Depp now. Overall the movie definetely SCREAMED Tim Burton which can be both a good thing and a bad thing. If you're not a fan of Tim Burtons vision then don't bother plopping down the $$$ for this one. I am not often surprised by a film, but this one did it. I will probably pick this one up when it comes out on DVD as well. On a 1-10 scale I'd give it a 8 1/2. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

07-17-2005, 09:20 PM	#31
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	Not a big Burton fan...I've liked Depp in about half the movies I've seen him in...the trailers for the film creeped me out as well. Definitely a rental for me.

07-17-2005, 09:21 PM	#32
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	havn't seen it yet, but thought i'd toss in the metacritic link for it hxxp://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/charlieandthechocolatefactory

07-17-2005, 09:38 PM	#33
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Just noticed that the postI thought I made here never went happened, doh. Anyways, was a great movie to me. My 5 year old daughter and Loren liked it too. I think Burton was actually the perfect guy to do this movie. His style is what this movie needs, it is supposed to be a little odd like that, IMO. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

07-18-2005, 11:22 AM	#34
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I saw this last night ans was pleasantly surprised. I liked it a lot... even better than the original IMO.

07-18-2005, 11:25 AM	#35
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Played poker last night with Wille Wanker. Funny name. Nothing more to contribute to this thread.

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