07-07-2005, 09:52 AM | #1 | ||
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Starting pitcher for NL All-Stars?
I'm admittedly biased, but I'd go with the Cards' Chris Carpenter. Dontrelle Willis is the only other one I'd consider, but I'm curious what others think.
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere.
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07-07-2005, 09:54 AM | #2 |
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LaRussa is managing the team, so I'd have to think he rewards Carpenter here.
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07-07-2005, 09:54 AM | #3 |
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It would have been Roger again if not for our crappy bullpen. It's hard to argue against a 1.50 ERA...
Of course after last year's showing, it's probably a blessing that he's not starting.
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07-07-2005, 10:03 AM | #4 | |
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And I think Carpenter merits the start, not just because LaRussa is the manager.
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07-07-2005, 10:22 AM | #5 | |
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Damn why didn't the Jays keep Carpenter. I always thought he was a nice #2 or 3... imagine him with Halladay now. |
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07-07-2005, 11:01 AM | #6 |
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Pedro
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07-07-2005, 11:04 AM | #7 | |
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I think he's pitching right before for the Mets. He never goes to these anyway.
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07-07-2005, 11:10 AM | #8 |
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Carpenter is having a great year!
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07-07-2005, 11:15 AM | #9 |
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Carpenter is having a great year but what is the case for Carpenter over Dontrelle? Best pitchers in the NL this year IMO so far are Dontrelle, clemens, Carpenter in that order. I can see the case for Carpenter over Clemens though... but not over Dontrelle.
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07-07-2005, 11:21 AM | #10 |
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Carpenter is 12-4 with a 2.60 ERA and 121 K
Willis is 12-3 with a 2.04 ERA and 85 K Clemens is 6-3 with a 1.50 ERA and 104 K The only reason I am thinking Carpenter is because he is on the best team in the NL and his manager is making the decision. |
07-07-2005, 11:44 AM | #11 | |
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41-2/3 innings 17 hits 2 earned runs 7 BBs 45 Ks Has Dontrelle been that hot of late? (I honestly don't know).
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07-07-2005, 12:07 PM | #12 |
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I'd go with Clemens. He's a legend.
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07-07-2005, 12:23 PM | #13 | |
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07-07-2005, 12:41 PM | #14 |
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Actually, Clemens or Pedro versus the AL managed by the Red Sox Manager would be fairly interesting.
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07-07-2005, 12:58 PM | #15 | |
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07-07-2005, 01:37 PM | #16 |
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For the sake of putting on a good show for the fans, I suggest the NL squad starts Eric Milton.
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07-07-2005, 01:48 PM | #17 | |
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If you want to use small sample sizes, go ahead and use Carpenter's last five games versus Clemens' start in the All Star game last season. Throw Clemens, Willis, Carpenter, and Pedro in a hat and pull a name out randomly--you aren't going to know what they're going to do in three innings of an All Star game versus an All Star lineup. As a fan and to make it more memorable, I'd rather see Clemens or Pedro (or even Dontrelle) pitch. |
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07-07-2005, 01:53 PM | #18 |
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Uh...Pedro's a moot point. Wagner is now on the team.
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07-07-2005, 01:54 PM | #19 |
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Guy never goes. Amazingly his father is sick every single year at all star time.
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07-07-2005, 01:58 PM | #20 |
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This year it's that he is starting on Sunday. Probably had them arrange the rotation back in April to make sure he pitched that day.
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07-07-2005, 02:00 PM | #21 | |
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It was probably in the contract. Flies out Sunday night and isn't back until 10 minutes before their next game if at all until his next start.
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07-07-2005, 03:04 PM | #22 |
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If I'm the Mets, I don't want Pedro pitching in a meaningless game anyway. I love the All Star Game, but there's too big of a risk with an investment like Pedro.
Not that I think Pedro is all that fragile anymore (in fact, preseason I argued with many a Sox fan that Schilling was a far bigger risk ... too bad I was right.) |
07-07-2005, 03:05 PM | #23 | ||
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He got shelled two starts ago in Atlanta(5 ER in 7 IP). In the other 4 starts, 1 ER, 2 shutouts, so no, not that hot lately, but he's been the best pitcher in the first half so he deserves it no matter what IMO. |
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07-07-2005, 03:49 PM | #24 | |
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So now you're saying "I'd go with Clemens. He's a legend." Which I take to mean that you feel he's earned the start for the N.L. over the other two because he's legendary. To which I say, honor be damned, go with Carpenter (or Willis) because I think they are better options in terms of winning the game. No pitcher is pitching any better than Carpenter right now, in my opinion, and his stats match up with anyone.
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07-07-2005, 03:53 PM | #25 | |
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07-07-2005, 03:59 PM | #26 |
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It should be Willis, but probably won't be.
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07-07-2005, 04:57 PM | #27 | |
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I just don't see it. Unless the only measurement for being better is wins, I don't see how Carpenter is having a better season than Clemens. Clemens plays half of his games in a hitter's park and has an ERA of 1.41 in 17 starts (Carpenter's is 2.51 in 18 starts). Clemens has given up only 74 hits and 33 BBs in 115 innings (Carpenter: 106 hits and 33 BBs in 129 innings). Clemens has given up 5 HRs (Carpenter: 9 HRs). In my opinion, you can argue that Clemens is slightly better, but I cannot see how you can argue that Carpenter is better other than his team has a much better offense. Factor in last season (if you want a larger sample size) and Clemens gains a greater advantage. As for being competitive, I would argue that Clemens's experience and familiarity with the All Star hoopla will likely allow him to be less star struck from being an All Star than it might for someone like Willis or Carpenter (although this isn't something we can measure). |
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07-07-2005, 08:46 PM | #28 | |
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The Blue Jays don't have Duncan as a pitching coach. FWIW, and I am a HUGE homer. I would go with Clemens, Willis, then Carpenter. I like ERA over wins.. plus you really can't go wrong with any of these 3. Any of them could start, and I would be fine with it. |
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07-07-2005, 10:37 PM | #29 |
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Personally, I think a pitcher's W/L record is completely and utterly pointless.
Because of that, I think Clemens is the easiest choice, hands down. He's got a great number of strikeouts and has an absurdly low ERA (especially considering the field he pitches at half the time). I can see Carpenter over Willis, but not Clemens.
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He should be the HR Derby pitcher, I think that would make up for the big dimensions of Comerica. |
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