Need Advice on Baseball Management Sim

SargentPeppers · 07-07-2005, 03:48 AM

I am a avid follower of FOF, i own TCY and FOF4 and have played them into the ground. I greatler prefer TCY but dont expect a sequal in the near future. Therefore, after having played MVP Baseball 05 a tonne (and simply simming season with the occassionally manager mode in the playoffs) i want to make the move to a real Baseball Sim game. I have done some research and it seems that the best ones of i have heard of are OOTP6.5, Pure Sim Baseball 5, and Baseball Mogul 06. I would like some advice from the my number crunchin breathren on this board as to which is the best. They all seem to be about 30bucks so which is the best, most fun, and most realistic. Thanks alot.

Sargent Peppers

Izulde · 07-07-2005, 03:54 AM

Best and most fun are entirely suggestive.

I can't say anything about Puresim, not having played it, but OOTP 6.5 has a very solid stats engine and is quite realistic in that. Unfortunately, salaries can get a little outrageous there. Customization is also a big bonus with OOTP, though doing expansion on it is a pain in the ass.

Baseball Mogul 06 is more user-friendly than OOTP 6.5 and handles expansion a *lot* better than OOTP does and has some cool personality type features, but doesn't feel as solid a simulation as OOTP.

I'd say download the demos and try them all.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 07-07-2005, 06:00 AM

Go for Mogul, it's a good starting tool until ootp 7 later on this year.

SargentPeppers · 07-08-2005, 01:23 AM

I've pretty much narrowed it down to OOTP and BM. From what ive read OOTP has a better stat engine and is a slightly better simulation. While BM is easier to use. Would someone tell me which of those 2 differences is more influential, Is the simulation that bad in BM or is the OOTP interface more of a deterent. Thanks alot.

21C · 07-08-2005, 01:32 AM

Your best option is to try them yourself. Both have demos and they give you the best idea of what you'll like or dislike.

Mogul http://www.sportsmogul.com/demo/bb2k6-demo-setup.exe
OOTP http://www.ootpdevfiles.com/ootp/ootp6demosetup.exe

Zippo · 07-08-2005, 01:37 AM

OOTP is above and byond all others in any aspect, just my personal opinion. Although I've only tried the demos of puresim and mogul.

SargentPeppers · 07-08-2005, 02:07 AM

I have tried the demos, however, i cant get a real good feel for the simulation engine through the 2or3 months of the season the demo lets you play....i like the interface of Mogul better but need to know if its sim engine is defficient enough to merit buy OOTP anyway?

21C · 07-08-2005, 02:46 AM

The Mogul demo lets you play out a whole season.

I personally like both. If you want to sim seasons quickly then Mogul has the edge. It has a better financial model as well.

OOTP is better if you like to play out your games or if you want a deeper set of stats to use. You have more control of your team as well as setting lineups for lefties and righties.

Both games allow you to tweak settings to get the right sort of season stats you like - more HRs or lower ERAs.

Galaril · 09-20-2005, 11:36 AM

I too am looking for the best historical sim baseball game. I want to play the games using the real major leagues from 2004 onward. I am going to try to break the duldrums my RedSox are in real life kind of lik evoodoo magic. Anyways, which of the two solid baseball sims ,no thnaks Baseball Mogul that one is a steaming pile of shit to be honest. I really like Shaun's Puresim but Matrix seems to have really dragged the release of the next version out to the point that I have lost interested in it sad to say. Plus, the fact there is no quick way to plug in a MLB setup is an annoying point. So, how is OOTP 6.5 is it? Is it worth the ten bucks? How is it as far as real MLB is concerned? No Fictional which is where puresim seems to shine. Thanks.

Icy · 09-20-2005, 12:33 PM

For current MLB i vote for OOTP, you can even download an autoinstall file that will set it up for you with a few clicks, with real logos, rosters, players ratings, team names, stadiums, etc etc. Of course that mlb2k5 pack has been done by fans so it's totaly free. You can find that mlb2k5 pack at the ootp mods forum.

Galaril · 09-20-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Icy

For current MLB i vote for OOTP, you can even download an autoinstall file that will set it up for you with a few clicks, with real logos, rosters, players ratings, team names, stadiums, etc etc. Of course that mlb2k5 pack has been done by fans so it's totaly free. You can find that mlb2k5 pack at the ootp mods forum.

Thanks alot!

Raven · 09-20-2005, 08:45 PM

Keep in mind, there was "supposed" to be a OOTP7 released this year. Although I haven't heard the latest word, originally it was supposed to be out around August/September.

Since it hasn't been released yet, it may not come out until next April. Maybe someone else can give the latest news on a release date, but you should at least know that before you purchase v6.5.

Personaly, I don't think Mogul is worth the money. I've never had any problems with the OOTP interface, and for the most part the stats generation have come a long way, and are pretty acceptable. While OOTP may not be a perfect game, I think it is the best available and worth the money. I can't say the game for Mogul.

FBPro · 09-20-2005, 08:47 PM

OOTP 2006 out in Spring '06
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=107458

MizzouRah · 09-20-2005, 11:00 PM

As of right now, I would go with Puresim. In fact, it's going to be released under the Matrix label very soon and Shaun is going to work on some expansion packs once it's out.

I'm speaking purely from a "solo" player point of view. OOTP is fun, but for a newbie, I believe there is too much to setup in the game to get it playing well. In other words, out of the box, Puresim is pure fun. lol

I have a 16 team fictional league setup with expansion enabled and I'm having a blast. At least give it a shot and try the demo.

IF you want to waste your cash on Baseball Mogul, go for it. I have a copy I'll sell you for half price. PM me if your interested, or anyone for that matter.

Galaril · 09-20-2005, 11:33 PM

Actually I already wsated my money on mogul a while back. i agree Puresim is the funnest game but I think it is setup better to do fictional league solo stuff. I want to do MLB replay and it's alot easier less time consuming to setup for MLB than Puresim IMHO.

ThunderingHERD · 09-20-2005, 11:34 PM

OOTP definately.

AgustusM · 09-21-2005, 12:47 AM

OOTP is hand down the best baseball sim available IMO

JimboJ · 09-21-2005, 07:27 AM

IMO, anyone who tells you that OOTP is definitely better than Puresim, or vice versa, is shortchanging you. Both of these games are very good. One may be better than the other at doing certain things, but neither stands out head and shoulders over the other. And alot of people have been playing OOTP longer, and therefore are more loyal to that particular game. But Puresim has made huge improvements over the past year.

If you are REALLY looking for the best game, you owe it to yourself to try the demo of both, and decide for yourself.

MizzouRah · 09-21-2005, 02:12 PM

OOTP is definitly better for an MLB type league structure.. that I will agree on.

07-07-2005, 03:54 AM	#2
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Best and most fun are entirely suggestive. I can't say anything about Puresim, not having played it, but OOTP 6.5 has a very solid stats engine and is quite realistic in that. Unfortunately, salaries can get a little outrageous there. Customization is also a big bonus with OOTP, though doing expansion on it is a pain in the ass. Baseball Mogul 06 is more user-friendly than OOTP 6.5 and handles expansion a lot better than OOTP does and has some cool personality type features, but doesn't feel as solid a simulation as OOTP. I'd say download the demos and try them all. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

07-07-2005, 06:00 AM	#3
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Go for Mogul, it's a good starting tool until ootp 7 later on this year. __________________ Toujour Pret

07-08-2005, 01:32 AM	#5
21C College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newcastle, Australia	Your best option is to try them yourself. Both have demos and they give you the best idea of what you'll like or dislike. Mogul http://www.sportsmogul.com/demo/bb2k6-demo-setup.exe OOTP http://www.ootpdevfiles.com/ootp/ootp6demosetup.exe Last edited by 21C : 07-08-2005 at 01:32 AM.

07-08-2005, 01:37 AM	#6
Zippo High School JV Join Date: Jan 2004	OOTP is above and byond all others in any aspect, just my personal opinion. Although I've only tried the demos of puresim and mogul. Last edited by Zippo : 07-08-2005 at 01:37 AM.

09-20-2005, 08:47 PM	#13
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	OOTP 2006 out in Spring '06 http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=107458 __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

07-08-2005, 01:23 AM	#4
SargentPeppers n00b Join Date: Jul 2005	I've pretty much narrowed it down to OOTP and BM. From what ive read OOTP has a better stat engine and is a slightly better simulation. While BM is easier to use. Would someone tell me which of those 2 differences is more influential, Is the simulation that bad in BM or is the OOTP interface more of a deterent. Thanks alot.

07-08-2005, 02:07 AM	#7
SargentPeppers n00b Join Date: Jul 2005	I have tried the demos, however, i cant get a real good feel for the simulation engine through the 2or3 months of the season the demo lets you play....i like the interface of Mogul better but need to know if its sim engine is defficient enough to merit buy OOTP anyway?

07-08-2005, 02:46 AM	#8
21C College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newcastle, Australia	The Mogul demo lets you play out a whole season. I personally like both. If you want to sim seasons quickly then Mogul has the edge. It has a better financial model as well. OOTP is better if you like to play out your games or if you want a deeper set of stats to use. You have more control of your team as well as setting lineups for lefties and righties. Both games allow you to tweak settings to get the right sort of season stats you like - more HRs or lower ERAs.

09-20-2005, 11:36 AM	#9
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	I too am looking for the best historical sim baseball game. I want to play the games using the real major leagues from 2004 onward. I am going to try to break the duldrums my RedSox are in real life kind of lik evoodoo magic. Anyways, which of the two solid baseball sims ,no thnaks Baseball Mogul that one is a steaming pile of shit to be honest. I really like Shaun's Puresim but Matrix seems to have really dragged the release of the next version out to the point that I have lost interested in it sad to say. Plus, the fact there is no quick way to plug in a MLB setup is an annoying point. So, how is OOTP 6.5 is it? Is it worth the ten bucks? How is it as far as real MLB is concerned? No Fictional which is where puresim seems to shine. Thanks.

09-20-2005, 12:33 PM	#10
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	For current MLB i vote for OOTP, you can even download an autoinstall file that will set it up for you with a few clicks, with real logos, rosters, players ratings, team names, stadiums, etc etc. Of course that mlb2k5 pack has been done by fans so it's totaly free. You can find that mlb2k5 pack at the ootp mods forum.

09-20-2005, 08:45 PM	#12
Raven College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD	Keep in mind, there was "supposed" to be a OOTP7 released this year. Although I haven't heard the latest word, originally it was supposed to be out around August/September. Since it hasn't been released yet, it may not come out until next April. Maybe someone else can give the latest news on a release date, but you should at least know that before you purchase v6.5. Personaly, I don't think Mogul is worth the money. I've never had any problems with the OOTP interface, and for the most part the stats generation have come a long way, and are pretty acceptable. While OOTP may not be a perfect game, I think it is the best available and worth the money. I can't say the game for Mogul.

09-20-2005, 11:00 PM	#14
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	As of right now, I would go with Puresim. In fact, it's going to be released under the Matrix label very soon and Shaun is going to work on some expansion packs once it's out. I'm speaking purely from a "solo" player point of view. OOTP is fun, but for a newbie, I believe there is too much to setup in the game to get it playing well. In other words, out of the box, Puresim is pure fun. lol I have a 16 team fictional league setup with expansion enabled and I'm having a blast. At least give it a shot and try the demo. IF you want to waste your cash on Baseball Mogul, go for it. I have a copy I'll sell you for half price. PM me if your interested, or anyone for that matter. Last edited by MizzouRah : 09-20-2005 at 11:01 PM.

09-20-2005, 11:33 PM	#15
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Actually I already wsated my money on mogul a while back. i agree Puresim is the funnest game but I think it is setup better to do fictional league solo stuff. I want to do MLB replay and it's alot easier less time consuming to setup for MLB than Puresim IMHO. Last edited by Galaril : 09-20-2005 at 11:34 PM.

09-20-2005, 11:34 PM	#16
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	OOTP definately. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

09-21-2005, 12:47 AM	#17
AgustusM College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2003	OOTP is hand down the best baseball sim available IMO

09-21-2005, 07:27 AM	#18
JimboJ High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2003	IMO, anyone who tells you that OOTP is definitely better than Puresim, or vice versa, is shortchanging you. Both of these games are very good. One may be better than the other at doing certain things, but neither stands out head and shoulders over the other. And alot of people have been playing OOTP longer, and therefore are more loyal to that particular game. But Puresim has made huge improvements over the past year. If you are REALLY looking for the best game, you owe it to yourself to try the demo of both, and decide for yourself. Last edited by JimboJ : 09-21-2005 at 07:27 AM.

09-21-2005, 02:12 PM	#19
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	OOTP is definitly better for an MLB type league structure.. that I will agree on.

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