Edgerrin James to be traded?

Dutch · 03-11-2005, 01:07 PM

Looks like the Colts want a 2nd round pick for him? Cap hell anyone?

CraigSca · 03-11-2005, 01:13 PM

One of the reasons why I don't think the hard cap is all that and a bag of chips (unlike most people).

rkmsuf · 03-11-2005, 01:22 PM

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I tend to agree. I would love to see loyalty be rewarded by not counting so hard against the cap. If a guy wants to stay on the team that drafted him, he should not be punished (but he should still get the proper salary he deserves).

Maybe a 25% discount for the cap (that would still be paid to a player but hidden from the cap) for resigning players that were originally drafted by a team?

Loyalty? The guy wants to be traded.

If the Colts wanted him or want him they will keep him.

I believe they are doing Colts fans a favor by not signing him long term. He's a guy I feel will drop off very quickly. Already he's lost a significant amount of his speed and burst.

QuikSand · 03-11-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

If a guy wants to stay on the team that drafted him, he should not be punished (but he should still get the proper salary he deserves).

This isn't intended to be a hostile question, but -- how is this different from saying that a team just ought to be able to keep the players it wants to keep at fair salaries?

Seems to me you either have a salary cap (NFL) or you don't have one but say you do (NBA).

I don't see this as a situation where the cap is treating either the player or the team unfairly. The Colts invested big dollars (and cap space) in other players. Now they find themselves practically unable to re-sign this player. What's the hubbub?

Dutch · 03-11-2005, 01:22 PM

I tend to agree. I would love to see loyalty be rewarded by not counting so hard against the cap. If a guy wants to stay on the team that drafted him, he should not be punished (but he should still get the proper salary he deserves).

Maybe a 25% discount for the cap (that would still be paid to a player but hidden from the cap) for resigning players that were originally drafted by a team?

Franklinnoble · 03-11-2005, 01:36 PM

Much ado about nothing.

Young, talented RB's are a dime a dozen, and with the solid system in Indy, there's no need to pay top dollar for a veteran at that position. They could draft someone in the third round and save a heap of money.

Maple Leafs · 03-11-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Seems to me you either have a salary cap (NFL) or you don't have one but say you do (NBA) or you say you need one and then you don't but you do unless you don't and it doesn't matter because nobody is paying attention (NHL).

Fixed.

rkmsuf · 03-11-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand
Seems to me you either have a salary cap (NFL) or you don't have one but say you do (NBA) or you say you need one and then you don't but you do unless you don't and it doesn't matter because nobody is paying attention (NHL).

Fixed.

The NHL has a salary cap. It's $0.

Daimyo · 03-11-2005, 02:29 PM

Been there, done that... (Faulk)

I like James a lot and I'd hate to see him go, but I can't imagine giving him a longterm deal at this stage.

Dutch · 03-11-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

This isn't intended to be a hostile question, but -- how is this different from saying that a team just ought to be able to keep the players it wants to keep at fair salaries?

Seems to me you either have a salary cap (NFL) or you don't have one but say you do (NBA).

I don't see this as a situation where the cap is treating either the player or the team unfairly. The Colts invested big dollars (and cap space) in other players. Now they find themselves practically unable to re-sign this player. What's the hubbub?

I don't have a problem with the cap size. And perhaps my suggestion wasn't warranted using James as an example.

My thought process is a manipulation of a desire of mine to see 10-year (and older) vets get any salary a team wishes to give them--provided the player never voluntarily left a football team via free agency--and the team would only have to be account for the veteran minimum wage on the cap list. Kind of like the NBA process and the Franchise Tag process.

It's not that I don't believe in a players right to move teams or that I agree with how the NBA does things or that I approve of the Franchise Tag, it's that I believe that a player that is loyal to his team and the fans should be encouraged to stay with that team. (For instance - Everybody in the NFL Football world hates Warren Sapp except Buccaneer fans. I would love to have seen Sapp, even in his deteriorating state to have retired as a Buccaneer. But the team let him go because they wouldn't pay him. Maybe if it only would have cost them the minimum wage, they would have kept him around.)

Maybe it's bad logic for sentimental reasons.

condors · 03-11-2005, 02:54 PM

that would mess up the whole, reload every year and have a chance to win

the ability to go from last to first is something the nfl wants badly.

they don't want cities to have bad teams for decades

its not an easy thing but bad teams can become good quickly once the proper gm and coach are in place

Personally i liked the days of limited player movement but those days are over

rkmsuf · 03-11-2005, 02:54 PM

why would you want cities to have bad teams for decades and limited player movement?

condors · 03-11-2005, 03:02 PM

I like having a bunch of guys play together for a decade(where they are bad or good they are my guys)

Greyroofoo · 03-11-2005, 03:04 PM

James is extremely loyal (to the team that pays him)

Dutch · 03-11-2005, 03:11 PM

I don't dislike the fact that I got to see the Bucs win a Super Bowl when that was probably financially impossible during the 1970's and 1980's. I appreciate that effort on the part of the NFL and the NFLPA.

I am not suggesting wholesale changes to the system, it's still pretty damned good compared to anything else out there. I'm suggesting just a tweak and one that may only suit my interests. I would like more player/team association but I guess in the end, I realize I can't have my cake and eat it too.

Subby · 03-11-2005, 03:21 PM

Dude...throwing big long term dollars at running backs is key. Look how it worked out for Portis and the 'Skins...

Franklinnoble · 03-11-2005, 03:55 PM

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Dude...throwing big long term dollars at running backs is key. Look how it worked out for Portis and the 'Skins...

Exactly. That signing baffled me. Gibbs won a Super Bowl with Ernest Freaking Byner as his featured RB. (Yes, THAT Ernest Byner)

Why did he feel the need to sign a big money guy? I mean, come on.. Clinton Portis is no Timmy Smith...

Maple Leafs · 03-11-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Dude...throwing big long term dollars at running backs is key. Look how it worked out for Portis and the 'Skins...

On the other hand, it's worked out pretty well for the Chargers.

mhass · 03-11-2005, 04:10 PM

I'd put good money on [insert any Indy back here] putting up good numbers next year if James moves on. James is good, but having that kind of passing game (and O-Line) makes him look much better.

flere-imsaho · 03-11-2005, 04:51 PM

Yeah, Rhodes always looked good replacing James. Most teams are so terrified of the pass they'll let the RB get his yards.

cthomer5000 · 03-11-2005, 11:34 PM

Everytime someone starts crying about the NFL salary cap I really want to slap them in the face and give them the Vito Corleone "you can act like a man!" line.

Lucky Jim · 03-12-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Everytime someone starts crying about the NFL salary cap I really want to slap them in the face and give them the Vito Corleone "you can act like a man!" line.

Don't really have anything to add on James, but this is one of my all-time favorite lines. Just had to pay my respects.

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mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	I'd put good money on [insert any Indy back here] putting up good numbers next year if James moves on. James is good, but having that kind of passing game (and O-Line) makes him look much better. __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S. Last edited by mhass : 03-11-2005 at 04:11 PM.

03-11-2005, 01:22 PM	#5
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I tend to agree. I would love to see loyalty be rewarded by not counting so hard against the cap. If a guy wants to stay on the team that drafted him, he should not be punished (but he should still get the proper salary he deserves). Maybe a 25% discount for the cap (that would still be paid to a player but hidden from the cap) for resigning players that were originally drafted by a team?

03-11-2005, 01:36 PM	#6
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Much ado about nothing. Young, talented RB's are a dime a dozen, and with the solid system in Indy, there's no need to pay top dollar for a veteran at that position. They could draft someone in the third round and save a heap of money.

03-11-2005, 02:29 PM	#9
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Been there, done that... (Faulk) I like James a lot and I'd hate to see him go, but I can't imagine giving him a longterm deal at this stage.

03-11-2005, 02:54 PM	#11
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	that would mess up the whole, reload every year and have a chance to win the ability to go from last to first is something the nfl wants badly. they don't want cities to have bad teams for decades its not an easy thing but bad teams can become good quickly once the proper gm and coach are in place Personally i liked the days of limited player movement but those days are over

03-11-2005, 03:02 PM	#13
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I like having a bunch of guys play together for a decade(where they are bad or good they are my guys)

03-11-2005, 03:04 PM	#14
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	James is extremely loyal (to the team that pays him)

03-11-2005, 03:11 PM	#15
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I don't dislike the fact that I got to see the Bucs win a Super Bowl when that was probably financially impossible during the 1970's and 1980's. I appreciate that effort on the part of the NFL and the NFLPA. I am not suggesting wholesale changes to the system, it's still pretty damned good compared to anything else out there. I'm suggesting just a tweak and one that may only suit my interests. I would like more player/team association but I guess in the end, I realize I can't have my cake and eat it too.

03-11-2005, 04:51 PM	#20
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Yeah, Rhodes always looked good replacing James. Most teams are so terrified of the pass they'll let the RB get his yards.

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