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Vinatieri for Prez · 03-03-2005, 01:08 AM

Two things:

First, check out this website. Some guy devotes his life to tracking the Pats cap situation. It's incredibly up to date, and very informative. Visit his site and make him feel good.

http://www.patscap.com/

Second, what do you all think of the trade for Starks. Here's my thought from another thread:

Out with Law, in with Starks. It seems they opted to give up a draft pick instead of spending crazy dollars on a CB in free agency. See what Henry got from the Cowboys!

I think they also are getting him to restructure his contract. I believe he had 2 years left at 3.6 mill a year. If that number comes down from there even more, I say that is not a bad cap number for the next couple of years for a solid CB, which is all they need in Foxboro (although the 3rd rounder would have been nice to get a solid LB prospect in the draft). I am wondering if Tyrone Poole is going to be gone now. I think so.

flere-imsaho · 03-03-2005, 08:27 AM

I'm sad they let Troy Brown go. Hopefully it's just a prelude to re-signing him for a better cap number.

gstelmack · 03-03-2005, 08:29 AM

On Starks: Looks like they went after a veteran to help groom the young guys, and who if he stays healthy can contribute himself. And besides, after they made the Corey Dillon thing work, I still say "In Bill We Trust".

On Brown: They tried to renegotiate him to a lower number, but never hit an agreement. I, too, would like to see him back, but at a number that satisfies both parties. Brown seems to bring a lot more to the team than just his skills on the field.

KevinNU7 · 03-03-2005, 09:28 AM

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ixed_emotions/

rkmsuf · 03-03-2005, 10:16 AM

On Brown you can't pay a punt returner 5 million a year. Great guy but with diminishing skills. Maybe they'll sign him back...it would be a nice story.

I can't see him getting signed for much elsewhere as he has value really only to the Pats.

gstelmack · 03-03-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

On Brown you can't pay a punt returner 5 million a year. Great guy but with diminishing skills. Maybe they'll sign him back...it would be a nice story.

I can't see him getting signed for much elsewhere as he has value really only to the Pats.

Agreed completely. I'm just saying that he's also worth more than the veteran minimum, if only as a mentor and locker-room presence. Maybe a $1mil player.

flere-imsaho · 03-03-2005, 11:00 AM

Might they also consider bringing him back as a coach? It would be an abrupt end to his playing career, but I think he'd do well as a coach.

rkmsuf · 03-03-2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Agreed completely. I'm just saying that he's also worth more than the veteran minimum, if only as a mentor and locker-room presence. Maybe a $1mil player.

If they end up with a million to spare he'll be back.

Desnudo · 03-03-2005, 04:07 PM

He also had 3 INTs. He's not worth $5 million, but definitely worth resigning in some capacity. Luckily he might be one of those guys that no other team really wants.

FrogMan · 03-03-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

He also had 3 INTs. He's not worth $5 million, but definitely worth resigning in some capacity. Luckily he might be one of those guys that no other team really wants.

He also stated, in no uncertain terms, that he didn't want to do defense anymore. I'm not blaming him, but they shouldn't base their decision on resigning or not resigning him on what he did on defense this season...

It's been a rough offseason for me so far, I know/believe they will overcome all this, but we've lost players I liked: Ty Law, Roman Phifer, Troy Brown, Joe Andruzzi. And let's not forget Tedy Bruschi... I know Phifer wasn't doing as much this season, compared to when they won the SB the first time around, but he was now a household name...

FM

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-04-2005, 12:19 AM

Well, they just lost Patten. He signed with the Redskins. Can people stop leaving now? Thanks. If Brown doesn't come back, we are thin at WR, which is troubling because over recent years with injuries, we've needed to have 5 good wideouts. Now we got Givens (if he isn't signed away), Branch, Bethel Johnson, and PK Sam; and that's it.

I agree, it kinda sucks we are losing all my favorite good ol' Pats players. The price of success, I guess.

Desnudo · 03-04-2005, 12:22 AM

Is Givens a FA?

Draft Dodger · 03-04-2005, 12:36 AM

Giants just released Ike Hilliard. wonder how cheap he'd be...

Draft Dodger · 03-04-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Is Givens a FA?

RFA

FrogMan · 03-04-2005, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

RFA

and he's been given the second level tender offer, meaning if anybody offers him a contract and the Pats decide not to match, they would get a first round pick.

When given a first level tender, the compensation would have been getting a pick of the same round the player was picked in. If I remember correctly, Givens was a 7th rounder...

FM

rkmsuf · 03-04-2005, 07:54 AM

They don't really need Brown or Patten that much anyway. If Givens or Branch go down they'd be in trouble either way.

In spite of 3 INTs, Brown was only an emergency nickel guy. He's not that good a db. They got by but the plan is not Troy playing the slot guys. As a receiver he's a good third down guy but that's it.

Great guy but long in the tooth.

flere-imsaho · 03-04-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Now we got Givens (if he isn't signed away), Branch, Bethel Johnson, and PK Sam

Let's be honest, though, Brady's main targets were Givens and Branch, with Patten and Johnson on occasion.

Huckleberry · 03-04-2005, 09:40 AM

As a Cowboys fan I just feel so sorry for you guys losing so many of the players from your great team. I'm crying over here.

Ksyrup · 03-04-2005, 09:50 AM

I hope PK Sams gets an opportunity and steps up. I felt really bad for him last year - he's one those underclassmen who totally got hosed by his agent telling him he'd be a 2nd-rounder or sure-fire 1st day pick, then he got taken in the 7th round, I think. His mother just happened to be temping in our offices during the draft last year, and I felt really, really bad for her. We could have used him last year, and he could have used the extra year of college.

FrogMan · 03-04-2005, 09:55 AM

I read that they were going after Derrick Mason pretty hard, apparently their offer was even better than Baltimore's at some point, so I'm sure they are cooking something up...

For now, in Bill I trust...

FM

rkmsuf · 03-04-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I hope PK Sams gets an opportunity and steps up. I felt really bad for him last year - he's one those underclassmen who totally got hosed by his agent telling him he'd be a 2nd-rounder or sure-fire 1st day pick, then he got taken in the 7th round, I think. His mother just happened to be temping in our offices during the draft last year, and I felt really, really bad for her. We could have used him last year, and he could have used the extra year of college.

He's the only guy I can remember that has ever been suspended by a team while on the injured list.

He got lit up by Belichick prior to the Superbowl for some kind of lateness/team policy violation and he suspended him for the Superbowl weeks.

Ksyrup · 03-04-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

He's the only guy I can remember that has ever been suspended by a team while on the injured list.

He got lit up by Belichick prior to the Superbowl for some kind of lateness/team policy violation and he suspended him for the Superbowl weeks.

Wow. I did not know that. Dumbass.

Galaril · 03-04-2005, 10:15 AM

I would love for the Pats to get mason .I am Titans fan from Boston...don't ask how and would hate to see Mason in a Ravens uniform.

Galaril · 03-04-2005, 10:18 AM

Well......Shit the Ravens have apparently agreed in principle with Mason bummer.

FrogMan · 03-04-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Well......Shit the Ravens have apparently agreed in principle with Mason bummer.

yeah, last time I read about it, they had signed him to a 5 year contract...

FM

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-04-2005, 11:29 PM

Hmmm, all quiet on the Pats front. I think waiting for the initial rush will bring in some solid vets and good prices!

I am hoping all the money dries up and Ty Law makes it back.

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-10-2005, 12:33 AM

Random thoughts . . . Still all quiet. Not too much fun. Bruschi's silence is a little bit worrying.

I think we should sign Ed Hartwell, regardless of whether Bruschi is coming back.

BishopMVP · 03-10-2005, 04:18 AM

Ed Hartwell would be nice, but he might be a bit out of our preferred price range. (Before you point out Roosevelt Colvin as a comparison, well, look how that turned out.)

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-11-2005, 12:09 AM

Colvin will come around. Yeah, I know it's unlikely, but I keep thinking we're going to hear Brady renegotiated and Hartwell signed in the same press release. We can always hope.

03-03-2005, 08:29 AM	#3
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	On Starks: Looks like they went after a veteran to help groom the young guys, and who if he stays healthy can contribute himself. And besides, after they made the Corey Dillon thing work, I still say "In Bill We Trust". On Brown: They tried to renegotiate him to a lower number, but never hit an agreement. I, too, would like to see him back, but at a number that satisfies both parties. Brown seems to bring a lot more to the team than just his skills on the field. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

03-03-2005, 09:28 AM	#4
KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ixed_emotions/ __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

03-03-2005, 10:16 AM	#5
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	On Brown you can't pay a punt returner 5 million a year. Great guy but with diminishing skills. Maybe they'll sign him back...it would be a nice story. I can't see him getting signed for much elsewhere as he has value really only to the Pats. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-04-2005, 12:36 AM	#13
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	Giants just released Ike Hilliard. wonder how cheap he'd be... __________________ Mile High Hockey

03-04-2005, 07:54 AM	#16
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	They don't really need Brown or Patten that much anyway. If Givens or Branch go down they'd be in trouble either way. In spite of 3 INTs, Brown was only an emergency nickel guy. He's not that good a db. They got by but the plan is not Troy playing the slot guys. As a receiver he's a good third down guy but that's it. Great guy but long in the tooth. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-03-2005, 08:27 AM	#2
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I'm sad they let Troy Brown go. Hopefully it's just a prelude to re-signing him for a better cap number.

03-03-2005, 11:00 AM	#7
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Might they also consider bringing him back as a coach? It would be an abrupt end to his playing career, but I think he'd do well as a coach.

03-03-2005, 04:07 PM	#9
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	He also had 3 INTs. He's not worth $5 million, but definitely worth resigning in some capacity. Luckily he might be one of those guys that no other team really wants.

03-04-2005, 12:19 AM	#11
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Well, they just lost Patten. He signed with the Redskins. Can people stop leaving now? Thanks. If Brown doesn't come back, we are thin at WR, which is troubling because over recent years with injuries, we've needed to have 5 good wideouts. Now we got Givens (if he isn't signed away), Branch, Bethel Johnson, and PK Sam; and that's it. I agree, it kinda sucks we are losing all my favorite good ol' Pats players. The price of success, I guess.

03-04-2005, 12:22 AM	#12
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Is Givens a FA?

03-04-2005, 09:40 AM	#18
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	As a Cowboys fan I just feel so sorry for you guys losing so many of the players from your great team. I'm crying over here. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

03-04-2005, 09:50 AM	#19
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I hope PK Sams gets an opportunity and steps up. I felt really bad for him last year - he's one those underclassmen who totally got hosed by his agent telling him he'd be a 2nd-rounder or sure-fire 1st day pick, then he got taken in the 7th round, I think. His mother just happened to be temping in our offices during the draft last year, and I felt really, really bad for her. We could have used him last year, and he could have used the extra year of college. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-04-2005, 09:55 AM	#20
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	I read that they were going after Derrick Mason pretty hard, apparently their offer was even better than Baltimore's at some point, so I'm sure they are cooking something up... For now, in Bill I trust... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

03-04-2005, 10:15 AM	#23
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	I would love for the Pats to get mason .I am Titans fan from Boston...don't ask how and would hate to see Mason in a Ravens uniform.

03-04-2005, 10:18 AM	#24
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Well......Shit the Ravens have apparently agreed in principle with Mason bummer.

03-04-2005, 11:29 PM	#26
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Hmmm, all quiet on the Pats front. I think waiting for the initial rush will bring in some solid vets and good prices! I am hoping all the money dries up and Ty Law makes it back.

03-10-2005, 12:33 AM	#27
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Random thoughts . . . Still all quiet. Not too much fun. Bruschi's silence is a little bit worrying. I think we should sign Ed Hartwell, regardless of whether Bruschi is coming back.

03-10-2005, 04:18 AM	#28
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Ed Hartwell would be nice, but he might be a bit out of our preferred price range. (Before you point out Roosevelt Colvin as a comparison, well, look how that turned out.)

03-11-2005, 12:09 AM	#29
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Colvin will come around. Yeah, I know it's unlikely, but I keep thinking we're going to hear Brady renegotiated and Hartwell signed in the same press release. We can always hope.

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