Should the 49ers pull a Vikings?

Cap Ologist · 02-25-2005, 04:45 PM

I've been hearing and reading about the lack of talent in this years draft and how nobody wants to pay the money for a marginal top draft pick. If nobody materializes as a consensus number 1 draft pick, should the 49ers use all their time without picking and slide down a couple of spots saving themselves the money? Can't you see York coming up with some plan like that to save a few bucks?

Crapshoot · 02-25-2005, 04:46 PM

I think so - and I wouldnt disagree. What a shitty year to have the no 1 pick.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-25-2005, 04:47 PM

That would be insane. Trade down if you want, but don't just give up that slot with that tactic. The player will still argue that they should be paid like they were in the higher slot and you might miss out on your guy.

RendeR · 02-25-2005, 04:48 PM

with the utter and complete lack of any real talent on that team, the niners could be perfectly happy with ANY player. They aren't going to miss "their guy" because right now, EVERY guy, is their guy.

Cap Ologist · 02-25-2005, 04:49 PM

I don't think anybody wants to trade up though. You're stuck with that pick, as of right now the "experts" are claiming there really isn't any difference among the top 20.

Logan · 02-25-2005, 04:54 PM

The Niners have to trade the pick. Even if the best offer is to pick up an extra 2nd rounder to drop down something like 15 spots in the first round, it would be worth it for the extra pick, better value at that spot, and a major difference in signing bonuses.

Desnudo · 02-25-2005, 05:29 PM

I'd still rather have #1 than #20. People are talking like no superstars at all will come out of this draft. I'm sure with some decent scouting, the 49ers can at least come up with the next Ryan Leaf.

Vince · 02-25-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

with the utter and complete lack of any real talent on that team, the niners could be perfectly happy with ANY player. They aren't going to miss "their guy" because right now, EVERY guy, is their guy.

Julian Peterson, Andre Carter, Jeff Ulbricht, Ahmed Plummer, Fred Beasley, Derek Smith, Jaime Winborn, Jeremy Newberry and Eric Johnson are all very good players. This team isn't THAT bad.

Raiders Army · 02-25-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I'd still rather have #1 than #20. People are talking like no superstars at all will come out of this draft. I'm sure with some decent scouting, the 49ers can at least come up with the next Ryan Leaf.

I don't know about that. If the #1 overall isn't as good as Eli Manning (no Shroty jokes please) or the #2 isn't as good as Robert Gallery, why pay the money for the #1 overall when you aren't getting the talent? That doesn't make any sense.

totoro · 02-25-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I don't know about that. If the #1 overall isn't as good as Eli Manning (no Shroty jokes please) or the #2 isn't as good as Robert Gallery, why pay the money for the #1 overall when you aren't getting the talent? That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah I think so too. The issue is the MONEY. There might be one guy in this draft class that you think should go #1, but that doesn't mean he deserves the #1 money.

BTW, that'll ensure 49ers won't be able to trade down easily.

stkelly52 · 02-25-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

The Niners have to trade the pick. Even if the best offer is to pick up an extra 2nd rounder to drop down something like 15 spots in the first round, it would be worth it for the extra pick, better value at that spot, and a major difference in signing bonuses.

But what if you can't even get that value? I know that if I were a team I would not give up a 2nd rounder to move up in this draft

Sharpieman · 02-25-2005, 06:52 PM

One thing I don't understand is, why people are saying this draft has no talent. How are you supposed to know this? The draft has always been a crapshoot, there are great players in every draft, the Niners just need to make sure that they use the first pick wisely. Meaning DONT DRAFT A QB! Draft Defense, defense, defense. Is there a defensive player worthy of the #1 pick? With so many holes theres gotta be someone that can help the team. CB Antrel Rolle possibly, since Barlow sucks they could get Benson or cadillac or Pac-Man Jones. However, I doubt that they will use it smartly, Aaron Rodgers here we come

Maple Leafs · 02-25-2005, 07:16 PM

OK, what if they did that... and then the Dolphins refused to pick... and then everyone refused to pick? Just an hour of Taglibue standing at the podium, looking confused, with a clock continually ticking down to zero over and over while all the prospects look around nervously?

I would pay $1,000 to see that.

Vince · 02-25-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

...since Barlow sucks...

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Season Team G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD Fum FumL 
2001 San Francisco 15 125 512 34.1 4.1 4 22 247 16.5 11.2 61 11.4 10 1 1 0 
2002 San Francisco 14 145 675 48.2 4.7 4 14 136 9.7 9.7 29 9.2 7 1 2 1 
2003 San Francisco 16 201 1024 64.0 5.1 6 35 307 19.2 8.8 48 8.7 14 1 5 4 
2004 San Francisco 15 244 822 54.8 3.4 7 35 212 14.1 6.1 15 6.6 11 0 2 2

Barlow had an off-year. He fumbled the ball less than ever, with more carries than he's ever had. I really, really, really hope that the 49ers do not write him off because I think he can still be a great back.

clintl · 02-25-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

since Barlow sucks

Last year was completely meaningless as far as Barlow is concerned, considering how horrible that offensive line was.

primelord · 02-25-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

Julian Peterson, Andre Carter, Jeff Ulbricht, Ahmed Plummer, Fred Beasley, Derek Smith, Jaime Winborn, Jeremy Newberry and Eric Johnson are all very good players. This team isn't THAT bad.

That is complete homerism talking. Peterson is the onlly really good one out of that group. Well Beasly is pretty good too, but he certainly isn't enough.

Vince · 02-25-2005, 08:46 PM

Perhaps it's a bit of homerism...but the team isn't all that bad. Peterson is one of the best in the league at his position -- is that how we have to measure a player as good?

Maple Leafs · 02-25-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

Peterson was one of the best in the league at his position -- before he blew out his achilles and became a huge question mark.

Fixed it for you.

(And I'm a 49ers fan...)

Logan · 02-25-2005, 08:59 PM

...and Newberry was a Pro-bowler...and Winborn was a tackling machine when he was healthy...as was Carter...and Eric Johnson caught 82 balls last year...

No one is saying this team is a player or two away from contention. But they aren't as "in the doldrums" as people think. The amount of injuries to key players was amazing last season.

AlexB · 02-25-2005, 09:16 PM

Much as I hate to say it, being far from a 49ers fan, but Johnson's a good player. Agree that the rest are average to good at best though (apart from Peterson who is a great player when he has 2 achilles)

clintl · 02-25-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

No one is saying this team is a player or two away from contention. But they aren't as "in the doldrums" as people think. The amount of injuries to key players was amazing last season.

They have a lot more talent than the one Bill Walsh took over in 1979.

judicial clerk · 02-28-2005, 11:43 AM

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They have a lot more talent than the one Bill Walsh took over in 1979.

Yea, but Walsh went on to draft Joe Montana, Ronnie lott, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Randy Cross, Harris barton, Jerry Rice, Brent jones, Michael Carter, Merton hanks, ...

RendeR · 02-28-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

Yea, but Walsh went on to draft Joe Montana, Ronnie lott, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Randy Cross, Harris barton, Jerry Rice, Brent jones, Michael Carter, Merton hanks, ...

*CACKLES* he said .....LOLOL.......Mert.......mert.....MERTON HANKS?!?!?!?!?!?!

BWAHAhahahahahaaha

clintl · 02-28-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

Yea, but Walsh went on to draft Joe Montana, Ronnie lott, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Randy Cross, Harris barton, Jerry Rice, Brent jones, Michael Carter, Merton hanks, ...

And nobody knows yet what Mike Nolan is going do. Granted, the chances are much greater of him being Dick Nolan than Bill Walsh, but he's starting with more talent to work with.

DeToxRox · 02-28-2005, 09:15 PM

Vikings should trade up to #1 and take Braylon Edwards

I think he's the real deal, and a #1 pick talent in this draft class for sure.

Plus, the Vikes need him

bosshogg23 · 02-28-2005, 09:23 PM

A couple different articles(one on CNNSI) said that Braylon Edwards was as impressive off the field as he was on it. "Guaranteed" top-5 and such things. Edwards apparently new everything about each team he was interviewing with, strengths, weaknesses, history, etc.

VPI97 · 02-28-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

OK, what if they did that... and then the Dolphins refused to pick... and then everyone refused to pick? Just an hour of Taglibue standing at the podium, looking confused, with a clock continually ticking down to zero over and over while all the prospects look around nervously?

Best draft ever.

cthomer5000 · 02-28-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Best draft ever.

It honestly would be amazing. But sooner or later someone would make a pick (i think).

It would be fun to watch though.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 02-28-2005, 10:05 PM

Where's Sid Niquist when you need him.

Darkiller · 03-01-2005, 04:57 AM

A few thoughts :
1/ there are great players in every draft.

2/ drafting a WR with the #1 overall pick is -in my opinion- not worth it, no matter how Braylon Edwards "looks good". History says that drafting a WR in the top 5 doesn't mean anything and good to outstanding WR are available in later rounds. In recent drafts, highly touted Peter Warrick went #5, David Terrel #8, Keyshawn Johson #1 and none of them are "superstars". Keyshawn has had a career but looking back on that 1996 Draft, how fitting is that K.J went #1 overall while perennial All-Pro Terrell Owens was found in the 3rd round.

3/ I desperatly want the 49ers to go QB if they keep the #1 pick. (and I hope they do). That doesn't mean they are not making a mistake, that : history will tell us 3-4 years down the road, but like I said many time, it all starts with the QB. If you don't have a franchise QB then you have no team and no hopes. I believe Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith both could be those franchise-type quarterbacks. There again, history says one will go on to a great career while the other will flop (Bledsoe/Mirer in '93 - McNair/Shuler in '94 - Manning/Leaf in '98 - McNabb/Couch & Smith in '99 - again in '99 but later in the 1st round Culpepper/McNown etc...).

Cap Ologist · 03-01-2005, 06:40 AM

I think Aaron Rodger is the second cousin once removed from Brock Sherriff.

Darkiller · 03-01-2005, 08:37 AM

so let him join the 49ers !! ;-)

02-25-2005, 04:47 PM	#3
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	That would be insane. Trade down if you want, but don't just give up that slot with that tactic. The player will still argue that they should be paid like they were in the higher slot and you might miss out on your guy. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-25-2005, 04:48 PM	#4
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	with the utter and complete lack of any real talent on that team, the niners could be perfectly happy with ANY player. They aren't going to miss "their guy" because right now, EVERY guy, is their guy. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

02-25-2005, 07:16 PM	#13
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	OK, what if they did that... and then the Dolphins refused to pick... and then everyone refused to pick? Just an hour of Taglibue standing at the podium, looking confused, with a clock continually ticking down to zero over and over while all the prospects look around nervously? I would pay $1,000 to see that. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-25-2005, 08:46 PM	#17
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Perhaps it's a bit of homerism...but the team isn't all that bad. Peterson is one of the best in the league at his position -- is that how we have to measure a player as good? __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

02-28-2005, 10:05 PM	#29
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Where's Sid Niquist when you need him. __________________ Toujour Pret

02-25-2005, 04:46 PM	#2
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	I think so - and I wouldnt disagree. What a shitty year to have the no 1 pick.

02-25-2005, 04:49 PM	#5
Cap Ologist College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Flower Mound, TX	I don't think anybody wants to trade up though. You're stuck with that pick, as of right now the "experts" are claiming there really isn't any difference among the top 20.

02-25-2005, 04:54 PM	#6
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	The Niners have to trade the pick. Even if the best offer is to pick up an extra 2nd rounder to drop down something like 15 spots in the first round, it would be worth it for the extra pick, better value at that spot, and a major difference in signing bonuses.

02-25-2005, 05:29 PM	#7
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I'd still rather have #1 than #20. People are talking like no superstars at all will come out of this draft. I'm sure with some decent scouting, the 49ers can at least come up with the next Ryan Leaf.

02-25-2005, 06:52 PM	#12
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	One thing I don't understand is, why people are saying this draft has no talent. How are you supposed to know this? The draft has always been a crapshoot, there are great players in every draft, the Niners just need to make sure that they use the first pick wisely. Meaning DONT DRAFT A QB! Draft Defense, defense, defense. Is there a defensive player worthy of the #1 pick? With so many holes theres gotta be someone that can help the team. CB Antrel Rolle possibly, since Barlow sucks they could get Benson or cadillac or Pac-Man Jones. However, I doubt that they will use it smartly, Aaron Rodgers here we come

02-25-2005, 08:59 PM	#19
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	...and Newberry was a Pro-bowler...and Winborn was a tackling machine when he was healthy...as was Carter...and Eric Johnson caught 82 balls last year... No one is saying this team is a player or two away from contention. But they aren't as "in the doldrums" as people think. The amount of injuries to key players was amazing last season.

02-25-2005, 09:16 PM	#20
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Much as I hate to say it, being far from a 49ers fan, but Johnson's a good player. Agree that the rest are average to good at best though (apart from Peterson who is a great player when he has 2 achilles) __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

02-28-2005, 09:15 PM	#25
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Vikings should trade up to #1 and take Braylon Edwards I think he's the real deal, and a #1 pick talent in this draft class for sure. Plus, the Vikes need him

02-28-2005, 09:23 PM	#26
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	A couple different articles(one on CNNSI) said that Braylon Edwards was as impressive off the field as he was on it. "Guaranteed" top-5 and such things. Edwards apparently new everything about each team he was interviewing with, strengths, weaknesses, history, etc.

03-01-2005, 04:57 AM	#30
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	A few thoughts : 1/ there are great players in every draft. 2/ drafting a WR with the #1 overall pick is -in my opinion- not worth it, no matter how Braylon Edwards "looks good". History says that drafting a WR in the top 5 doesn't mean anything and good to outstanding WR are available in later rounds. In recent drafts, highly touted Peter Warrick went #5, David Terrel #8, Keyshawn Johson #1 and none of them are "superstars". Keyshawn has had a career but looking back on that 1996 Draft, how fitting is that K.J went #1 overall while perennial All-Pro Terrell Owens was found in the 3rd round. 3/ I desperatly want the 49ers to go QB if they keep the #1 pick. (and I hope they do). That doesn't mean they are not making a mistake, that : history will tell us 3-4 years down the road, but like I said many time, it all starts with the QB. If you don't have a franchise QB then you have no team and no hopes. I believe Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith both could be those franchise-type quarterbacks. There again, history says one will go on to a great career while the other will flop (Bledsoe/Mirer in '93 - McNair/Shuler in '94 - Manning/Leaf in '98 - McNabb/Couch & Smith in '99 - again in '99 but later in the 1st round Culpepper/McNown etc...). __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

03-01-2005, 06:40 AM	#31
Cap Ologist College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Flower Mound, TX	I think Aaron Rodger is the second cousin once removed from Brock Sherriff.

03-01-2005, 08:37 AM	#32
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	so let him join the 49ers !! ;-) __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

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