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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwest
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The Incredibly Growing Bonds...
Here is a ESPN photo montage of Barry Bonds throughout the years.
I think he first starting showing "bulk" in and around 1999 from the look in these pictures. http://espn.go.com/mlb/gallery/19379070.html Enjoy.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL
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It all went downhill when he lost the stache. Maybe shaving that off made his face all puffy
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Its not like he went big over night tho, he was still big back in 92 or 93. He was just skinnier.
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Lethargic Hooligan
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing
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in 89, Barry has a skoal can in his pocket
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Lethargic Hooligan
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing
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glad no one has year by year pics of me over the past 18 years
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Join Date: May 2003
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LOL! Check out 96. He got super-big all of a sudden.
There's no question. Roid monster. |
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Fresno, CA
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I don't think I saw any appreciable difference on a year to year basis till 98 or 99. Either way, the difference in those years is that he put on some weight. He had guns way back in the early years. Now if you compare the pics of his biceps and forearms from early in his career to late, then you see a big difference. |
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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Up until 1998 it seems to be that damn body armor he wears that grows and grows and grows... then in 99 the growth spurt switched from his body armor to his neck.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fantasyland
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Actually, I look at picture 4 (1991) and see a guy who has a huge frame. He's already big through the arms, biceps and chest but has a tiny waist. He looks like he's a track athlete.
He just looks like he's added 25-35 lbs since then. And not all muscle...there's some weight around that midsection. So it looks like he started lifting for burst and power rather than conditioning. And over 10 years, that's not necessarily roid-growth. Most powerlifters don't peak until their mid-to-late 30s too. Putting it another way, I don't see the David Boston kind of growth on Barry. I see a pretty normal progression, especially if he changed his weightlifting habits and focus. Which is VERY likely given the MLB corporate shift in direction from the early 90s to now on hitting HRs over contact hitting. Everyone seems to be getting bigger. Now do I think he used some "assistance"? Yes. I also think that most of MLB has too and it's been swept under the rug until Balco. I don't think Balco happens to be an unusual situation...just one that got caught. |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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1993 Bonds looks suspiciously like 2004 Michael Tucker.
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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Is there really any argument here anymore? Bonds admitted to using steriods. He's just trying to bullshit the world into believing he didn't know he was really taking them. But, of course, the Bonds apologists will continue to defend their boy. Because we all know the real reason why everyone hates Barry Bonds is because he's black. ![]() |
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The DMV
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Really? Who says that? |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Barry
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Retired
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fantasyland
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I don't like anyone playing the race card. I don't condone Barry doing it either.
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The DMV
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Oh okay, I didn't get the reference (didn't see the Bonds press conference). I just wondered why Franklinnoble jumped in there with a random racial comment when nobody else mentioned it in the thread. Sorry 'bout that...
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Palo Alto, CA
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wow he's such a roid user gosh. I mean no one else ever gains weight over 10 years. I mean damn, look at those arms, I mean come on, no one can workout and get bigger arms.
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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I wasn't pointing at you when I made that remark... it was aimed at Barry and his legion of apologists. |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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Well, there's no doubt that he is bigger and more muscular now compared to those early pictures. However, I did find it curious that the first three pictures were taken from farther away and got all of Bonds in the picture. The later pictures were generally much closer and were generally of his upper half. Seems like there would be enough pictures of Bonds in the ESPN archive that they could have shown similar poses from similar distances.
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Not when they have something in particular in mind...
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Join Date: May 2003
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Are people seriously trying to say that he wasn't juicing his brains out?
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Join Date: May 2003
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You wouldn't happen to be a Giants fan, would you? lol |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: san jose CA
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Let me get this straight...a lot of you think Barry used steroids?
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Join Date: May 2003
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It's not even a question. He admitted it. "I didn't know what they were!" |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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Barry is an idiot. The HR record holder happens to be black...
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: san jose CA
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Alrighty. Just making sure because all the Bonds haters have been so quiet about this issue I wanted to understand their position. |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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Exactly.
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Join Date: May 2003
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Are you guys trying to make the argument that Bonds wasn't roiding? |
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Join Date: May 2003
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Ohhhhh...you (a Giant fan) were trying to claim that us who oppose Barry's cheating are being too loud about it. Boo hoo. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: San Jose, CA
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Rexalllsc...Geez are you Rick Reilly?
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Amarillo, TX
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Actually, they're making the argument that a "news" organization with a vested financial interest in fomenting controversy and speculation might be acting less as an impartial reporter of the facts in this instance and more as a prosecutor in the court of public opinion, especially damaging in the light of recent conflict wherein the subject of their "expose" lashed out about their lack of impartiality. Regardless of the possible truth of the allegations or not, a set of carefully selected photos that allege to show a change in body composition are, by themselves, less than worthless as a smoking gun. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: san jose CA
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Not too loud. Just treating speculation as fact and being majorly redundant about it to boot. You think Bonds is a walking chemistry set. We get it. |
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Join Date: May 2003
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Haha. "I didn't know what they were! I thought it was oil!" Let me guess, you think Bonds was one of Conte's "legit" clients, right? ![]() |
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Join Date: May 2003
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The pictures are not the only evidence against Bonds. Hell, when all of this was nothing more than conjecture, I was more inclined to believe Barry. Once the whole "I didn't know what it was" crap came out, that sealed the deal for me the other way. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: California
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Jose admitted to using steriods, why didn't he hit 73 home runs?
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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Because he wasn't black. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Amarillo, TX
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Nobody's claiming that the pictures are the only evidence against Bonds. I believe the claim on the table is that the pictures are no evidence at all one way or the other, since they were put together by an organization whose only agenda is ratcheting up the newsworthiness of the alleged wrongdoing, with no responsibility to anyone to actually produce factual information on the subject. |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Or Mark or anyone else who used or tried to.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Georgia via Alaska via Washington
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That's obvious. Jeff Kent.
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Does anyone think Hank Aaron is even in the top 5 players of all time? Ruth is still regarded as the greatest ever i would think. |
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Florida Swampland
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Ruth could easily be considered the best of all time because he hit his homers at a time when working-out was considered taboo in baseball. Hammer hit more dingers over his career, but he didn't dominate the game like Ruth did in his time. Bonds is just an overrated steriod-inflated ass. |
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: SF
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It's a shame that the "evidence" comes from an illegal leak. Like Canseco, this is a questionable source with potentially true points, thus putting everything in doubt, or at least making everyone muddy. Funny how we can legitimize a wrong by claiming that it gets us to the truth. Ken Starr redux.
Being a biased Giants fan I really don't care if Barry did it. What bothers me is that if he did cheat I at least want World Series rings. Probably 5 guys in game 6 were on roids, and we still blew it! That's just a bad use of cheating. Finally, what's worse taking roids so you can hit the ball out in one of the hardest homerun parks in the game, or hitting in Coors or 257 right field pole at the Polo Grounds? |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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It could be worse - you could be a fan of UK football. Talk about lack of a payoff for going on probation...
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio
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he needs to bust this earring back out
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Seattle
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Actually, technically it still is a question. Barry admitted to using a clear substance and a cream which he thought were something other than steroids/HGH/whatever, but doesn't know for sure. Prosecuters believe those substances were the illegal streroid/HGH/whatever that BALCO was distributing, but they don't know that for a fact. Now, before you jump all over me, I think it's extremely likely those were illegal supplements Barry was using. I just wanted to point out that we still don't have proof that Barry did anything wrong. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Seattle
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As a follow-up, a question for you all: Let's make a couple of assumptions;
1. The substances Barry used were illegal steroids/HGH/whatever; 2. Barry really didn't know he was taking any illegal supplements If this scenario were true - if Barry unkowingly was taking illegal supplements - would that change your opinion any of what he did? Pretty much everyone thinks he was juicing. Would it change your opinion of him and what you think of his accomplishments if you thought he was juicing unknowingly? |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Barry did try to pass off his use of these substances as perceived use of flax seed oil....
Health Benefits of Flax Seed Oil |
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Location: Fresno, CA
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The difference being that when the testing got more pervaisive, Giambi showed up to camp looking more like a sickly Girls Field Hockey player, than the impressive MVP like player he was the previous season. Bonds showed up looking no different, and performed no less magnificently than in previous years. So While it is obvious to me that while Bonds has used steroids in the past, unless he has continually used them, he is still one hell of an athlete and baseball player. I doubt he would have had the stones to use last year with the expanded testing, and with the Balco undetectable steroid exposed. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Seattle
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Let's not also forget that Bonds has a well-documented, rigorous workout regimen that he follows - he didn't get big just taking supplements and sitting around.
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