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Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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NFL: Seriously, why LA?
I think Paul Tagliabue has done great things for the league, but why does he (and the rest of the NFL hierarchy) have this thing about absolutely, positively, immediately needing a team in LA?
I don't get it. By all accounts there's not a lot of fan interest in LA, there isn't a great stadium package sitting out there, and there isn't a completely comatose franchise to move there. LA, as a population, doesn't appear to care about having a NFL franchise, so what's the deal? Someone explain this to me. Thanks. ![]() |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Maybe the NFL just wants to piss Al Davis off.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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LA doesn't want a franchise? That's news to me. Unless LA has better things to spend their money on than the 1 billion dollars it takes to buy a franchise from the NFL, then yes, we aren't interested in an NFL team. I know having the best college program speaks volumes to football attendance however.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Green Bay, WI
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Ratings. Folks in LA may not be willing to foot the bill for a stadium, but if you put an NFL team in LA, and put 'em on TV, people will watch. And, of course, higher ratings = the potential for greater advertising revenue for the broadcasting networks = more leverage for the NFL the next time the rights package is up for renewal. |
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Hockey Boy
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Royal Oak, MI
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Exactly. LA is the second largest TV market in the US.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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To put the L.A. market in some NFL perspective ... it has roughly the same number of TV households as the entire NFC South combined.
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: New York
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Broadcasting the games in LA means nothing with the blackout rule. How many Rams games were on TV? You get more games now... (Damn you Lathum!)
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Green Bay, WI
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How many games a year did the Rams win when they were in LA? ![]() |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
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How many teams have gone to LA and failed?
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: New York
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Not counting the Express, Dons, & Chargers? Two. Cleveland Rams Oakland Raiders
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Keeping LA as a viable option helps to scare the New Orleanses, Arizonas, and San Diegos of the world into building new stadia to keep their teams.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwest
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If a good stadium is put in place the the ownership puts out a team that competes, along with making the price of going to the game affordable then people WILL go to games. But in my opinion the stadium needs to be in a area that makes it easily accessible for both those in Orange County and Los Angeles.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Green Bay, WI
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Comes right back down to that whole "competition" thing. LA is more decentralized than a lot of other cities. More sprawl. So teams like the Ducks and Angels end up being a draw during the seasonal overlap periods, plus you've always got the Kings, Dodgers, Clippers, and Lakers to contend with. That's just for pro sports. Now factor in the college sports, which, as MrBug pointed out, have a fanatical following, and you're competing with USC and UCLA for disposable income. But there's more to it than that. You've also got the local theme parks - Six Flags Magic Mountain, Knott's Berry Farm, Disneyland, and those are all resource drains as well. And the list marches on. Winning cures all woes, though. Put a winner on the field, and an LA team will sell out. Put a mediocre team, and the fans will pay you in kind with ho-hum interest. There's simply too much else to do here to get heavily emotionally invested in a football team that isn't going to be a contender. |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Green Bay, WI
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Hey, I didn't say the NFL has learned its lesson, did I? |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: New York
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The Kings???
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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Bingo. It's all about money. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Green Bay, WI
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Here and There
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I wonder how many people living in LA are actually from LA, are football fans, and don't already have a loyalty to some other team..
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2001
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: A negative place
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Actually when the LA Raiders were moved out of LA there were analyses done at the time that said television ratings improved. The logic as I recall was that since the Raiders could not sell out the Colleseum their home games were blacked out for a large portion of the LA area. So basically LA residents couldn't watch their team locally for half their games and the ratings took a big hit. Once the Raiders moved to Oakland, LA residents either adopted Oakland, San Diego, or some other team and continued to watch football. The overall viewers didn't go down for the area, but actually increased due to the fact that the NFL didn't black out half the games. So I think the whole concept of bringing a team back to LA hinges on whether they'll have a team that can actually sell out a stadium. Otherwise it may actually hurt the league. |
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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I think with LA having NO football for the last ten years, there will probably be a good chance of selling out, even if it's just as a novelty.
I'd love to see the Colts move to LA, rename the team, and give the mascot back to Baltimore. |
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Sep 2002
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That won't happen, cause the Colts just got a new stadium deal right? |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Houston, TX
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Nearly every football fan that I've ever talked to who has lived in LA (which amounts to about 5) says they love the fact that there is no local team because they get a good doubleheader on TV every week. I'm quite jealous, as I'm forced to watch the Cowboys play every Sunday even though there is usually a far better NFC game on and I'm 300 miles away from Dallas.
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College Starter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Federal Way, WA
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Why LA? Because us Saints fans haven't been through enough over the past 4 decades and we need the final stake in the coffin. Come on you bastard sports universe, you know you want to do it!
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Springfield, USA
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Is the NFL ri--ight?
Is the NFL ri--i--ight? Is the NFL ri--ight? Why LA, why? |
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College Prospect
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Flower Mound, TX
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I'm disappointed, I was expecting a picture detailing why a team shouldn't go to LA.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The State of Rutgers
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LA is just a bad sports town period.
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Some people have already touched upon it. It's the 2nd largest media market in the country. The NFL doesn't want to leave that alone. Even if they don't sell out that much, they can still make some good money there.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Alabama
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
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As I recall, LA supported the Rams quite well until the Rams decided to move to Anaheim because the Colisseum was getting old, and the Raiders swooped into the Colisseum. And at that point, you had Al Davis and Georgia Frontiere owning the two LA teams. How much worse could it get than that?*
I think LA would support a new team just fine. *Unless it was Bill Bidwell and Mike Brown |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
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I hate LA, and wish them to have only last place teams, but this statement ignores pretty much ignores the entire history of the Dodgers and Lakers on the West Coast, not to mention the first 40 years of the Rams' existence in LA. And USC football and UCLA basketball. The fans in LA have always been extremely supportive of all those teams. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Where Hip Hop lives
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Hmmm...some comments.
Anyone who thinks LA fans don't support their winners are smoking crack. When a team gets rolling, the stands fill up big time. I'm not saying that it's a good thing to have so many fair weather fans, but it's a bit better of a situation than saying there's no support for sports teams out here. That's just blatantly false, and clearly the statement of people who don't have a clue about SoCal. The point about all of the other entertainment options, as always, remains a very big point. With so many things to do, people get picky about how they spend their time and money, and it's not surprising that losing sports temas don't draw well as a result. People bagging on the support of the Rams in Anaheim and LA clearly have very short term memories, as they don't seem to have heard of anything before the 90s, when that fat murderous bizitch Frontiere intentionally tanked the team to lower attendance to get her ass a sweet deal in St. Louis. Prior to that, the Rams were one of the premier teams of the 80s, and their battles with the top dog Niners in the old NFC West were classic. Dickerson anyone? Youngblood? Ferragamo? 1980 SUper Bowl team? They were also good in the 70s...and the 60s...and the 50s...etc. Don't take five years of a team's history and make it out like that's the way it always was. Last thing, ironically, is I don't know that I want a team here. I like getting to watch the best games while most of the rest of the country has to watch their usually crappy home teams. CR
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FOF2 Guy
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Paris, France
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I think you guys are missing the point a little bit on this.
We'd all love to think that "fan base" and "stadium sellouts" is the reason for the NFL to venture in a given city, and this might actually be true in some cases (namely Jacksonville) but as far as L.A goes it's a whole different story. Here we are talking about the 2nd BIGGEST MARKET in the US ! bar none. The NFL cannot stay away from the 2nd biggest market for long. It's as simple as that.
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: A negative place
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I still maintain this only works if you build a good stadium (not the oversized colleseum) and you get people to actually attend the games - allowing the rest of the area to actually view the games. I think it's definitely doable if done right. As someone pointed out above, the Dodgers and Lakers manage to get SoCal'ers off the beach so a decent football product should. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: A negative place
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Dola - found some old 2001 article from CNN talking about why it was better financially to move the team out of LA.
http://money.cnn.com/2001/09/07/news/column_sportsbiz/ |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Dayton, OH
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Amen bro. I remember people went nuts over the Rams back in the 70s-80s. My brother won season tickets to the Rams while they were at the Collesium, and my dad hated driving to it because the traffic was so bad getting to the games since they were so packed (lived in Irvine at the time). Heck, my earliest NFL memories were of the 79-80 Super Bowl team. People went nuts, plus it didn't hurt that the SB that year was in Pasadena. |
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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I have fond memories of the Jim Rome - Chris Everett moment. |
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Placerville, CA
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High School JV
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Houston, Texas
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