Enigma Puzzle #33

enigma · 02-16-2005, 01:38 PM

Here’s a zippy little geography puzzle. It shouldn’t take too long...

Where Am I?

The Contrarians say my football team is Needy, Comal is Trans-Equatorial, a child is International and a namesake has a Point.

mhass · 02-16-2005, 03:08 PM

Uuuummmm....Bizzaro World

Buzzbee · 02-16-2005, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma

Here’s a zippy little geography puzzle. It shouldn’t take too long...

Where Am I?

The Contrarians say my football team is Needy, Comal is Trans-Equatorial, a child is International and a namesake has a Point.

CNCTEIP

Wondering if the curious capitals are significant.

"Football team" leads me to believe it is a major American city (unless football means that game where you kick the round ball rather than the oblong ball).

"namesake has a point" perhaps as part of an abbreviation, like St. Lous.

digamma · 02-16-2005, 03:43 PM

Isn't Comal a programming language?

Radii · 02-16-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Isn't Comal a programming language?

yup, it's also a county in Texas, best I could tell.

Lonnie · 02-16-2005, 03:54 PM

There is a Comal River in New Braunfels Texas. I think the county is also named Comal County.

cuervo72 · 02-16-2005, 07:13 PM

I thought the language was cobol, with a b...

VPI97 · 02-16-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

I thought the language was cobol, with a b...

Yep.

tanglewood · 02-16-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by enigma

The Contrarians say my football team is Needy

So the football team is infact wealthy? First thing that springs to mind is San Francisco because of the 1849 gold rush.

Lonnie · 02-16-2005, 09:00 PM

International child brings Freddy Adu to mind, who plays for D.C. which has points if they mean periods, or the Redskins have arrows which are points, and they spend quite a bit of money.

VPI97 · 02-16-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by enigma

Here’s a zippy little geography puzzle. It shouldn’t take too long..

Zip code?

Buzzbee · 02-16-2005, 09:43 PM

Well, this is interesting. We've mentioned several different ideas, most of which point in different directions. Usually we can grab hold of an idea and run with it, but with this it seems we'd be running in circles.

enigma · 02-17-2005, 07:46 AM

What if I said it like this. . .

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Originally Posted by enigma

The Contrarians say: my football team is Needy, Comal is Trans-Equatorial, a child is International and a namesake has a Point.

QuikSand · 02-17-2005, 07:48 AM

If that colon appeared after "say" I'd think the point was that all the "observation" are essentially inverted. Of course, that doesn't get me anywhere, either.

mhass · 02-17-2005, 08:09 AM

So what are the opposites of those?

Needy - wealthy, self-sufficient, affluent, independent
Comal - ???
Trans-Equatorial - parallel to the equator? trans-meridian? east-west?
International - local, national?
Point - line, ray, segment

Help.

QuikSand · 02-17-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

CNCTEIP

Wondering if the curious capitals are significant.

I can't get anything from it as an anagram, but it did seem promising to me, too.

QuikSand · 02-17-2005, 08:17 AM

I'm thinking that perhaps instead of "opposites" the issues is that all the statements are just false. Of course, the part of the world that is not trans-equatorial is something like 98% of everything in the world... making it not much of a clue.

enigma · 02-17-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I'm thinking that perhaps instead of "opposites" the issues is that all the statements are just false. Of course, the part of the world that is not trans-equatorial is something like 98% of everything in the world... making it not much of a clue.

Go with the opposites.

TazFTW · 02-17-2005, 11:02 PM

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comal

adj : of certain seeds (such as cotton) having a tuft or tufts of hair; "comate (or comose) seeds"; "a comal tuft"

So would the opposite of comal be bald?

mhass · 02-18-2005, 08:08 AM

Just saw this Googling around.

The Comal River became famous when Ripley's Believe It or Not featured it as the shortest river in the world.
http://www.texasescapes.com/FEATURES...iver_texas.htm

Could the opposite be the longest river - the Mississippi?

QuikSand · 02-18-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mhass

Could the opposite be the longest river - the Mississippi?

Amazon or Nile would be better choices (I can never recall for certain, I think Amazon is longest, Nile is largest by volume) -- and both have some possible link to the trans-equatorial clue, as well. Amazon, in particular, has some possible secondary references, one might think.

WSUCougar · 02-18-2005, 08:38 AM

I'm almost positive the Amazon is the longest river.

enigma · 02-18-2005, 08:47 PM

There has never been a professional football team located near the Amazon. We are referring to the oblong football, not the round kind.

digamma · 02-18-2005, 09:11 PM

Cities with professional football teams along the Mississippi include St. Louis, Minnesota and New Orleans.

mhass · 02-18-2005, 10:18 PM

I guess that means we're right about the river.

Buccaneer · 02-18-2005, 10:38 PM

It appears the answer could be a 5-digit zip code in the football team's city. I'm looking at mhass' list of opposites.

cuervo72 · 02-19-2005, 12:19 AM

Could be St. Louis, the namesake does have a point, and trans-equitorial could allude to the Trans World Dome, I guess.

enigma · 02-19-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

It appears the answer could be a 5-digit zip code in the football team's city. I'm looking at mhass' list of opposites.

This is rock solid.

QuikSand · 02-20-2005, 07:46 PM

Well, I tired the obvious St. Louis zip code, both in numerals and spelled out.

Bump, basically.

enigma · 02-20-2005, 08:50 PM

Two hints:

1. The answer is numerical.
2. You're all assuming something about the football team that is leading you in the wrong direction.

mhass · 02-20-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma

Two hints:

1. The answer is numerical.
2. You're all assuming something about the football team that is leading you in the wrong direction.

Not sure if this is one of those double-meaning clues, but if not, here are some guesses about the wrong assumptions:

1. The team originated on the Mississippi (Arizona).
2. The team is in a state on the Mississippi (K.C., Chicago, Green Bay, etc.)
3. The is no longer around.
4. It's not a professional team (that would suck).
5. It's a "team" of owners or players or refs and not actually the kind we're used to.

...

QuikSand · 02-21-2005, 09:33 PM

bleh.

Celeval · 02-21-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Could be St. Louis, the namesake does have a point, and trans-equitorial could allude to the Trans World Dome, I guess.

I would think given the contrarian; that "a namesake has a point" would refer to the St. Louis Arch - a namesake that doesn't have a point at all.

QuikSand · 02-22-2005, 04:15 PM

Funny, this keeps finding its way to page two.

enigma · 02-22-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mhass

So what are the opposites of those?

Needy - wealthy, self-sufficient, affluent, independent
Trans-Equatorial - parallel to the equator? trans-meridian? east-west?
Point - line, ray, segment

Help.

Do some research on independent pro football teams, with east-west landmarks and a line through town.

The International clue is paper-thin.

Buzzbee · 02-22-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by enigma

The International clue is paper-thin.

International Paper is headquartered in Stamford, CT.

Canadian HQ is in Willowdale, Ontario if that means anything.

CFL?

mhass · 02-22-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

International Paper is headquartered in Stamford, CT.

Canadian HQ is in Willowdale, Ontario if that means anything.

CFL?

What's the opposite of International Paper? Greenpeace?

Buzzbee · 02-22-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mhass

What's the opposite of International Paper? Greenpeace?

Or perhaps Local paper?

cuervo72 · 02-22-2005, 07:58 PM

Local rock?

enigma · 02-22-2005, 08:17 PM

mhass is dancing all around this answer. You are on the wy with IP. And the football team is not CFL - it's good ol' American football from the heartland; professional league and all. Find the intersection of the line and the east-west landmark (see earlier posts) and you'll be on the right track.

mhass · 02-22-2005, 08:23 PM

Well aren't I the idiot.

RPI-Fan · 02-22-2005, 08:24 PM

The Continental Divide is one notable north-south line.

enigma · 02-23-2005, 10:09 PM

This is quickly dying so here goes:
Post 15: Independent. But not unbeatable - Duluth beat them in their only one-loss season.
Post 35, 20: east-west Mississippi. This is not common.
Ignore the International clue. You don't need it to solve this thing.
Post 15: line. As in parallel ones "tied" together.
Post 26: ZIP code

QuikSand · 02-24-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by enigma

This is quickly dying

Ayuh.

Quote:

Post 15: line. As in parallel ones "tied" together.

Hmmm... a railroad track?

mhass · 02-24-2005, 09:42 AM

I'm assuming so. That doesn't eliminate much though.

QuikSand · 02-24-2005, 10:01 AM

Well, the Mississippi river seems to be flowing basically West-to-East in and around New Orleans. But an obvious ZIP code for Nawlins, 70130, didn't work as a password.

QuikSand · 02-24-2005, 10:06 AM

The Mississippi also seems to run basically E/W up in Minnesota... might fit with the Duluth clue as well. Perhaps there's some independent semi-pro football league in the upper Midwest, which has a powerhouse team on the Mississippi River that won all its games save for one against Duluth.

Buzzbee · 02-24-2005, 10:20 AM

Ok, did a search on professional football duluth and came up with the following site.

Looks like this is related to the roots of football in the U.S.

Possibly Canton, Ohio? Maybe Chicago?

http://a-afl.com/apfachronology.htm

enigma · 02-24-2005, 10:38 AM

The long-awaited result for puzzle #33:

- - - - -

Here’s a zippy little geography puzzle. It shouldn’t take too long…

Where Am I?

The Contrarians say my football team is Needy, Comal is Trans-Equatorial, a child is International andanamesake has a Point.

*****

Any single clue could be used to get the city. The contrarian reference indicates opposites and the capital letters indicate where the opposites are.

Needy team = Independents, an early NFL franchise

Comal Trans-Equatorial = Comal is the shortest river in the U.S. --> Mississippi is the longest. Trans-Equatorial = north-south --> Mississippi runs east-west here

International child = Weyerhauser paper started here, a competitor to International Paper

Point = Line (Rock Island Line, a railroad until recently)

All describe Rock Island, IL

The "zippy" reference in the first sentence clues to a ZIP code.

61201

cuervo72 · 02-24-2005, 10:53 AM

Nope, that didn't take long.

02-16-2005, 03:08 PM	#2
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	Uuuummmm....Bizzaro World __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-16-2005, 03:54 PM	#6
Lonnie High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midlothian, TX	There is a Comal River in New Braunfels Texas. I think the county is also named Comal County. __________________ Lonnie

02-16-2005, 07:13 PM	#7
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I thought the language was cobol, with a b... __________________ null

02-16-2005, 09:00 PM	#10
Lonnie High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midlothian, TX	International child brings Freddy Adu to mind, who plays for D.C. which has points if they mean periods, or the Redskins have arrows which are points, and they spend quite a bit of money. __________________ Lonnie

02-16-2005, 09:43 PM	#12
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Well, this is interesting. We've mentioned several different ideas, most of which point in different directions. Usually we can grab hold of an idea and run with it, but with this it seems we'd be running in circles. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

02-16-2005, 03:43 PM	#4
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Isn't Comal a programming language?

02-17-2005, 07:48 AM	#14
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	If that colon appeared after "say" I'd think the point was that all the "observation" are essentially inverted. Of course, that doesn't get me anywhere, either.

02-17-2005, 08:09 AM	#15
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	So what are the opposites of those? Needy - wealthy, self-sufficient, affluent, independent Comal - ??? Trans-Equatorial - parallel to the equator? trans-meridian? east-west? International - local, national? Point - line, ray, segment Help. __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-17-2005, 08:17 AM	#17
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I'm thinking that perhaps instead of "opposites" the issues is that all the statements are just false. Of course, the part of the world that is not trans-equatorial is something like 98% of everything in the world... making it not much of a clue.

02-18-2005, 08:08 AM	#20
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	Just saw this Googling around. The Comal River became famous when Ripley's Believe It or Not featured it as the shortest river in the world. http://www.texasescapes.com/FEATURES...iver_texas.htm Could the opposite be the longest river - the Mississippi? __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-18-2005, 08:38 AM	#22
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I'm almost positive the Amazon is the longest river. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

02-18-2005, 08:47 PM	#23
enigma H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2004	There has never been a professional football team located near the Amazon. We are referring to the oblong football, not the round kind. __________________ The FOFC Enigma is a self-repeating puzzle system. If you know the answer to the current puzzle, sign on to FOFC with the username "enigma" using the answer (in all lower case letters, with no spacing) as the password. If you're right -- you control the enigma, and may post the next puzzle under that username. The person who solves the enigma should post in the puzzle thread noting both the fact that the puzzle is solved, as well as the solution to the puzzle.

02-18-2005, 09:11 PM	#24
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Cities with professional football teams along the Mississippi include St. Louis, Minnesota and New Orleans.

02-18-2005, 10:18 PM	#25
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	I guess that means we're right about the river. __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-18-2005, 10:38 PM	#26
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	It appears the answer could be a 5-digit zip code in the football team's city. I'm looking at mhass' list of opposites.

02-19-2005, 12:19 AM	#27
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Could be St. Louis, the namesake does have a point, and trans-equitorial could allude to the Trans World Dome, I guess. __________________ null Last edited by cuervo72 : 02-19-2005 at 12:19 AM.

02-20-2005, 07:46 PM	#29
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well, I tired the obvious St. Louis zip code, both in numerals and spelled out. Bump, basically.

02-20-2005, 08:50 PM	#30
enigma H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2004	Two hints: 1. The answer is numerical. 2. You're all assuming something about the football team that is leading you in the wrong direction. __________________ The FOFC Enigma is a self-repeating puzzle system. If you know the answer to the current puzzle, sign on to FOFC with the username "enigma" using the answer (in all lower case letters, with no spacing) as the password. If you're right -- you control the enigma, and may post the next puzzle under that username. The person who solves the enigma should post in the puzzle thread noting both the fact that the puzzle is solved, as well as the solution to the puzzle.

02-21-2005, 09:33 PM	#32
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	bleh.

02-22-2005, 04:15 PM	#34
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Funny, this keeps finding its way to page two.

02-22-2005, 07:58 PM	#39
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Local rock? __________________ null

02-22-2005, 08:17 PM	#40
enigma H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2004	mhass is dancing all around this answer. You are on the wy with IP. And the football team is not CFL - it's good ol' American football from the heartland; professional league and all. Find the intersection of the line and the east-west landmark (see earlier posts) and you'll be on the right track. __________________ The FOFC Enigma is a self-repeating puzzle system. If you know the answer to the current puzzle, sign on to FOFC with the username "enigma" using the answer (in all lower case letters, with no spacing) as the password. If you're right -- you control the enigma, and may post the next puzzle under that username. The person who solves the enigma should post in the puzzle thread noting both the fact that the puzzle is solved, as well as the solution to the puzzle.

02-22-2005, 08:23 PM	#41
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	Well aren't I the idiot. __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-22-2005, 08:24 PM	#42
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	The Continental Divide is one notable north-south line. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

02-23-2005, 10:09 PM	#43
enigma H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2004	This is quickly dying so here goes: Post 15: Independent. But not unbeatable - Duluth beat them in their only one-loss season. Post 35, 20: east-west Mississippi. This is not common. Ignore the International clue. You don't need it to solve this thing. Post 15: line. As in parallel ones "tied" together. Post 26: ZIP code __________________ The FOFC Enigma is a self-repeating puzzle system. If you know the answer to the current puzzle, sign on to FOFC with the username "enigma" using the answer (in all lower case letters, with no spacing) as the password. If you're right -- you control the enigma, and may post the next puzzle under that username. The person who solves the enigma should post in the puzzle thread noting both the fact that the puzzle is solved, as well as the solution to the puzzle.

02-24-2005, 09:42 AM	#45
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	I'm assuming so. That doesn't eliminate much though. __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-24-2005, 10:01 AM	#46
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well, the Mississippi river seems to be flowing basically West-to-East in and around New Orleans. But an obvious ZIP code for Nawlins, 70130, didn't work as a password.

02-24-2005, 10:06 AM	#47
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	The Mississippi also seems to run basically E/W up in Minnesota... might fit with the Duluth clue as well. Perhaps there's some independent semi-pro football league in the upper Midwest, which has a powerhouse team on the Mississippi River that won all its games save for one against Duluth.

02-24-2005, 10:20 AM	#48
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Ok, did a search on professional football duluth and came up with the following site. Looks like this is related to the roots of football in the U.S. Possibly Canton, Ohio? Maybe Chicago? http://a-afl.com/apfachronology.htm __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

02-24-2005, 10:38 AM	#49
enigma H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2004	The long-awaited result for puzzle #33: - - - - - Here’s a zippy little geography puzzle. It shouldn’t take too long… Where Am I? The Contrarians say my football team is Needy, Comal is Trans-Equatorial, a child is International andanamesake has a Point. *** Any single clue could be used to get the city. The contrarian reference indicates opposites and the capital letters indicate where the opposites are. Needy team = Independents, an early NFL franchise Comal Trans-Equatorial = Comal is the shortest river in the U.S. --> Mississippi is the longest. Trans-Equatorial = north-south --> Mississippi runs east-west here International child = Weyerhauser paper started here, a competitor to International Paper Point = Line (Rock Island Line, a railroad until recently) All describe Rock Island, IL The "zippy" reference in the first sentence clues to a ZIP code. 61201 __________________ The FOFC Enigma** is a self-repeating puzzle system. If you know the answer to the current puzzle, sign on to FOFC with the username "enigma" using the answer (in all lower case letters, with no spacing) as the password. If you're right -- you control the enigma, and may post the next puzzle under that username. The person who solves the enigma should post in the puzzle thread noting both the fact that the puzzle is solved, as well as the solution to the puzzle.

02-24-2005, 10:53 AM	#50
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Nope, that didn't take long. __________________ null

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