Hearts of Iron, Which One?

sabotai · 01-26-2005, 04:14 PM

I see Hearts of Iron Platinum and Hearts of Iron II. I know Platinum is the first version rereleased with better AI, new scenarios, and a bunch of other stuff. So I'm not confused on what they are.

Which one should I get? Platinum is half the price of HoI2. Is HoI2 that much better than Platinum that I should get 2, or is it not much of an update and should I just stick with getting Platinum? What were the major added features to HoI2?

jamesUMD · 01-26-2005, 04:27 PM

I heard that the 2nd version is light years away from the first version. I have read a couple of reviews that said the 2nd version will only ever be topped, possibly by a sequal. I bought the first one, barely played, but think I might get the new version. I don't buy the hype when it comes from the game producer, but if I read several reviews saying the same thing I tend to believe they have relevance.

sachmo71 · 01-26-2005, 04:47 PM

klayman · 01-26-2005, 04:49 PM

I thought you already purchased the first one?

HerRealName · 01-26-2005, 04:49 PM

jamesUMD · 01-26-2005, 04:55 PM

HOI II

Surtt · 01-26-2005, 05:17 PM

http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGam.../View/001HEAI2

$35 at GoGamer.

jbmagic · 01-26-2005, 06:16 PM

how is the game manual with HOH 2?

does it do a great on explaining how to play the game..

i never play HOH 1

LionsFan10 · 01-26-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

how is the game manual with HOH 2?

does it do a great on explaining how to play the game..

i never play HOH 1

I'd say the manual is good. The text is a little small for the non-seeing among us, but it's very well written. It's written by a member of the community rather than a developer, so it goes a long way in explaining what a paying customer would want to know. If you do buy the game, I recommend the "Key Concepts" section to be read right away, it's an excellent primer.

sabotai · 01-26-2005, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klayman

I thought you already purchased the first one?

Yeah....I can't find it.

It's not like me to misplace a game CD so I probably lent it to a friend. Either way, I did hear some good things about the improved AI, and since the Platinum is only $20, I thought it'd be worth the upgrade anyway. But from what I'm hearing, 2 is the way to go.

Dutch · 01-26-2005, 08:29 PM

I'm saving HOI II for another day, but it will no doubt end up in my library before too long. I have found myself addicted to Pacific Fighters. I haven't enjoyed a WWII flight sim in years.

JPhillips · 01-26-2005, 10:57 PM

HOI2 is way better in combat, especially air and naval. WHat it is missing, IMO, is the "feel" that HOI1 with CORE had. It just doesn't feel like WWII era right now. I have played a handful of 1936 scenarios and never seen Japan declare war on the US. There is also a problem with the alliance structure where you have to drop out of any existing alliance to enter into one of the big three, Allies, Axis, Comintern. This in effect often keeps Japan from joining the Axis as they are allied with Manchukuo and a couple of times the US has allied with Mexico and hasn't gotten into the Allies.

I also have a continuing problem with the AI regarding allied attacks. It always seems like my allies sit back and watch while I do all the attacking. I can take military control and fix this, but I don't want to have to run every country that I am allied with. Of course, HOI1 wasn't much better at this.

All in all I'd say HOI2. Patches will come rather quickly and the community improvements will enhance every aspect of the game. It may take six months before it eclipses HOI1 for me, but in the end the basic engine is far superior.

jbmagic · 01-26-2005, 10:58 PM

on HOH 2

is the AI challenging in this game?

maximus · 01-26-2005, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai

I see Hearts of Iron Platinum and Hearts of Iron II. I know Platinum is the first version rereleased with better AI, new scenarios, and a bunch of other stuff. So I'm not confused on what they are.

Which one should I get? Platinum is half the price of HoI2. Is HoI2 that much better than Platinum that I should get 2, or is it not much of an update and should I just stick with getting Platinum? What were the major added features to HoI2?

Thanks sabotai because of you I'm going to have to buy this game now.....

Appearently this game is very moddable and it is even possible to remove the time limit from the game and even dominate the whole world (or every county possible) in this game.

JeffR · 01-26-2005, 11:45 PM

Bottom line, HOI2 vanilla seems to be at least as good as HOI Platinum with all the trimmings. And HOI2 is the one that'll continute to be developed - not just officially by Paradox. Most of the guys that worked on things like the C.O.R.E. project for HOI1 (which became part of HOI Platinum) have moved on to working on HOI2.

Fritz · 01-27-2005, 07:12 AM

HOI2 is so much better than HOI

01-26-2005, 04:27 PM	#2
jamesUMD High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD	I heard that the 2nd version is light years away from the first version. I have read a couple of reviews that said the 2nd version will only ever be topped, possibly by a sequal. I bought the first one, barely played, but think I might get the new version. I don't buy the hype when it comes from the game producer, but if I read several reviews saying the same thing I tend to believe they have relevance. __________________ HailtotheRedskins!

01-26-2005, 04:47 PM	#3
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	two

01-26-2005, 04:55 PM	#6
jamesUMD High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD	HOI II __________________ HailtotheRedskins!

01-26-2005, 06:16 PM	#8
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	how is the game manual with HOH 2? does it do a great on explaining how to play the game.. i never play HOH 1 Last edited by jbmagic : 01-26-2005 at 06:16 PM.

01-27-2005, 07:12 AM	#16
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	HOI2 is so much better than HOI __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

01-26-2005, 04:49 PM	#4
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	I thought you already purchased the first one?

01-26-2005, 04:49 PM	#5
HerRealName College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	II

01-26-2005, 05:17 PM	#7
Surtt College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGam.../View/001HEAI2 $35 at GoGamer.

01-26-2005, 08:29 PM	#11
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I'm saving HOI II for another day, but it will no doubt end up in my library before too long. I have found myself addicted to Pacific Fighters. I haven't enjoyed a WWII flight sim in years.

01-26-2005, 10:57 PM	#12
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	HOI2 is way better in combat, especially air and naval. WHat it is missing, IMO, is the "feel" that HOI1 with CORE had. It just doesn't feel like WWII era right now. I have played a handful of 1936 scenarios and never seen Japan declare war on the US. There is also a problem with the alliance structure where you have to drop out of any existing alliance to enter into one of the big three, Allies, Axis, Comintern. This in effect often keeps Japan from joining the Axis as they are allied with Manchukuo and a couple of times the US has allied with Mexico and hasn't gotten into the Allies. I also have a continuing problem with the AI regarding allied attacks. It always seems like my allies sit back and watch while I do all the attacking. I can take military control and fix this, but I don't want to have to run every country that I am allied with. Of course, HOI1 wasn't much better at this. All in all I'd say HOI2. Patches will come rather quickly and the community improvements will enhance every aspect of the game. It may take six months before it eclipses HOI1 for me, but in the end the basic engine is far superior.

01-26-2005, 10:58 PM	#13
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	on HOH 2 is the AI challenging in this game?

01-26-2005, 11:45 PM	#15
JeffR High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kelowna, BC, Canada	Bottom line, HOI2 vanilla seems to be at least as good as HOI Platinum with all the trimmings. And HOI2 is the one that'll continute to be developed - not just officially by Paradox. Most of the guys that worked on things like the C.O.R.E. project for HOI1 (which became part of HOI Platinum) have moved on to working on HOI2.

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