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Old 01-08-2005, 07:02 PM   #1
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RAM, bam, thank you ma'am!

First 8-8 team to win a playoff game. Keep making history boys! And anybody who says Marc Bulger is not as good as Kurt Warner is a moron! Nobody is saying that Bulger is better than Warner WAS. He is better than he IS! Go Rammers.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:03 PM   #2
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Well, if you take the seahawks out of the league, the Rams don't make the playoffs.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:03 PM   #3
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One and done.

Continue talkin' shinola...
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:05 PM   #4
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Easy Mac- Good point. Beating a team three times is hard no matter who it is.

Big John- Seahawk fan? And I would say that is better than none and done.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:06 PM   #5
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Well, if you take the seahawks out of the league, the Rams don't make the playoffs.

This is true. Of course, if the Seahawks weren't in the league, wouldn't the Arizona Cardinals have won that division?
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:06 PM   #6
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This is true. Of course, if the Seahawks weren't in the league, wouldn't the Arizona Cardinals have won that division?

Very nice. The fact is the Rams are hot and in the weak sauce NFC, you never know.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:10 PM   #7
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Very nice. The fact is the Rams are hot and in the weak sauce NFC, you never know.

I'm not trying to change facts or discount where the Rams are. I know they made the playoffs and won their game today. Why so defensive?
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:10 PM   #8
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I am not at all? Just saying you never know.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:11 PM   #9
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I'm just happy because I bet on them, and bet them in two other parlays.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:31 PM   #10
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Well, if the Seahawks could catch, the Rams would be gone. I'm not sure the Rams will continue to get that lucky with the competition they will face. A game vs. A game and the Rams are O-U-T.

yes, I am still a Rams hater....so don't take that as unbiased commentary.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:43 PM   #11
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Well, if you take the seahawks out of the league, the Rams don't make the playoffs.

If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass, either. Who cares? That's the way the rules are setup. On to the next round we go.


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Old 01-08-2005, 07:48 PM   #12
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Well, if the Seahawks could catch, the Rams would be gone. I'm not sure the Rams will continue to get that lucky with the competition they will face. A game vs. A game and the Rams are O-U-T.

yes, I am still a Rams hater....so don't take that as unbiased commentary.

True, but they did what they had to do.
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Old 01-08-2005, 08:35 PM   #13
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Well, if the Seahawks could catch, the Rams would be gone. I'm not sure the Rams will continue to get that lucky with the competition they will face. A game vs. A game and the Rams are O-U-T.

yes, I am still a Rams hater....so don't take that as unbiased commentary.

C'mon Dutch, we beat the Seahawks 3 times in a row this year. We are 3-0 vs Seattle in 2004-05. In fact, twice in their own house!!


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Old 01-08-2005, 08:36 PM   #14
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:11 PM   #15
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You know the Eagles are salivating over this...
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:14 PM   #16
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I am pretty sure the Eagles don't want to play a team that has been clicking on all cylinders the past three or four weeks and could be considered the hottest team in the league. Couple that with the fact that they haven't played a meaningful game in over a month and without T.O. you know they will be doubting themselves. That defense can't win a game for them, especially not against a good offense. I would rather play the Eagles than the Falcons at this point.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:26 PM   #17
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You know the Eagles are salivating over this...

Over what? Getting knocked out again?


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Old 01-08-2005, 09:29 PM   #18
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I think the Rams are a scary matchup for Philly.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:43 PM   #19
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I am pretty sure the Eagles don't want to play a team that has been clicking on all cylinders the past three or four weeks and could be considered the hottest team in the league.

The Steelers are the hottest team in the league.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:44 PM   #20
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Good point Duckman. I should've been more specific and said "NFC" but I figured people would figure out that the Eagles wouldn't have to worry about the Steelers until the Super Bowl, being that they are in the AFC.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:45 PM   #21
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The Eagles are not fearing the Rams. Andy Reid could outcoach Mike Martz while napping.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:47 PM   #22
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The Eagles are not fearing the Rams. Andy Reid could outcoach Mike Martz while napping.

Oh, I am not saying the Eagles are scared of the Rams at all. I am simply saying that Philly is not "salivating" over playing them.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:48 PM   #23
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Oh, I am not saying the Eagles are scared of the Rams at all. I am simply saying that Philly is not "salivating" over playing them.

Well yeah, but I don't think any team is "salivating" over playing any other team at this point in the year. Everyone left is at least a solid team.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:49 PM   #24
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The Eagles are not fearing the Rams. Andy Reid could outcoach Mike Martz while napping.

I completely agree, BUT:

If the Rams start scoring, good luck keeping up with them (without receivers).
The Eagles haven't played a game in 3 weeks. No one has any idea how rusty they will or will not be.

I still like the Eagles to win, but if they do I think they may barely get past them like they did with Atlanta a few years ago.
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I completely agree, BUT:

If the Rams start scoring, good luck keeping up with them (without receivers).
The Eagles haven't played a game in 3 weeks. No one has any idea how rusty they will or will not be.

I still like the Eagles to win, but if they do I think they may barely get past them like they did with Atlanta a few years ago.


I suppose. I just don't think the Eagles defense gets near the credit it deserves. The secondary is really quite good. In fact I think the defense overall is better than it was last year. And honestly, the Rams are not on fire, they won a tough game today, but it's not like they're on a 6 game winning streak or anything. I think a few wins and people start overestimating a team.
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That could be argued either way but to beat Philly's backups, the Jets with everything to play for and a pretty mediocre Seattle team on the road could really get a team rolling.
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Old 01-08-2005, 09:59 PM   #27
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It could indeed get them rolling, but to say that they're on a hot streak I think is overstating things.
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Old 01-08-2005, 11:25 PM   #28
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I don't dislike the Rams, I just hate Mike Martz. Don't know why they made him HC in the first place.
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Old 01-09-2005, 02:01 AM   #29
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I am a Rams fan. I hate Mike Martz. I am happy we won.

Biut, damn, mtaystl, drop the crack pipe. A win against Philly's backups, an overtime win against a decent Jets teams, and a close win over a very overrated Seahawks team is not the makings of the next coming of the Montana-Young Niners (or even the Warner Rams).

I wouldn't even say the Rams are playing particularly well right now--they are just showing some good intestinal fortitude and doing just enough.

The Eagles have their issues as well, as stated, but I'm not even sure that one's going to be close, much less an inevitable victory for a "hot" Rams team.

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Did I say the Eagles were scared and that the Rams were going to run away with a victory? No. I simply refuted the statement that somebody said the Eagles are salivating over this Rams win. I simply stated that we are playing well right now. And to say that the Jets are decent might be an understatement considering they just flew across country and beat the 12-4 Chargers on the road in the playoffs.

Please, show me where I stated the Rams were showing signs of becoming the second coming of the Niners. Who needs to drop the crack pipe? You are the one seeing things.
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I am pretty sure the Eagles don't want to play a team that has been clicking on all cylinders the past three or four weeks and could be considered the hottest team in the league.

I wouldnt call them the hottest team in the league. I wouldnt say they are clicking on all cylinders and i'm pretty sure there isn't a thing about the Rams that the Eagles fear more than they look forward to disecting.

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Couple that with the fact that they haven't played a meaningful game in over a month and without T.O. you know they will be doubting themselves.

The Eagles arn't doubting themselves, I don't know what you know, but this I know for sure.

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That defense can't win a game for them, especially not against a good offense.

Yes it can and yes it can. For some odd reason you seem to forget why they could afford to take a month off. Because they DESTROYED everyone for the first 3 months.


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I would rather play the Eagles than the Falcons at this point.

Thats personal preference, but I think you're nuts.
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Do you remember 2001?


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Old 01-09-2005, 09:46 AM   #33
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Yes it can and yes it can. For some odd reason you seem to forget why they could afford to take a month off. Because they DESTROYED everyone for the first 3 months.

Yeah, but that was with a better 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th receiver.

All of those have been downgraded since that hot streak.
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Did I say the Eagles were scared and that the Rams were going to run away with a victory? No. I simply refuted the statement that somebody said the Eagles are salivating over this Rams win. I simply stated that we are playing well right now. And to say that the Jets are decent might be an understatement considering they just flew across country and beat the 12-4 Chargers on the road in the playoffs.

Please, show me where I stated the Rams were showing signs of becoming the second coming of the Niners. Who needs to drop the crack pipe? You are the one seeing things.

My reply had nothing to do with your comments on the Eagles, nor did I say you said they were going to run away with it. Instead of me showing you, why don't you show me where I said that?

What my comment was on was your description of the Rams as "hot". On that point, I am calling you a crack addict. If you think a win against backups and two close escapes makes a team "hot" or even suggests they are playing particularly well, than my description of you fits, methinks.

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My reply had nothing to do with your comments on the Eagles, nor did I say you said they were going to run away with it. Instead of me showing you, why don't you show me where I said that?

What my comment was on was your description of the Rams as "hot". On that point, I am calling you a crack addict. If you think a win against backups and two close escapes makes a team "hot" or even suggests they are playing particularly well, than my description of you fits, methinks.

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I don't think the Rams are "hot." They had one legimate win, the Jets, in the late regular season and that was after a 31-7 pounding by the Arizona Cardinals. Then they squeek by a Seahawks team they know how to beat. I'm sorry, but if a team is pounded by the Cardinals at any point in their season, they do not deserve the term "hot," even if they won 15 in a row afterwards.

I would guess that the Eagles are salivating at playing the Rams because they know Mike Martz will find a way to lose the game in the most egotistical way possible.
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The Jet win being 'legitimate' is very suspect. Before the game went to OT the Jets knew the outcome didn't matter. They just kept running LaMont Jordan up the middle in OT and attempted a field goal they would not have in a normal circumstance.
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The Jet win being 'legitimate' is very suspect. Before the game went to OT the Jets knew the outcome didn't matter. They just kept running LaMont Jordan up the middle in OT and attempted a field goal they would not have in a normal circumstance.

Where do you people come up with this stuff? I was at the game and in no way did the Jets want to let the Rams into the playoffs. Why come that far in a game to soften up in overtime?


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Where do you people come up with this stuff? I was at the game and in no way did the Jets want to let the Rams into the playoffs. Why come that far in a game to soften up in overtime?


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Actually, it makes sense. Once you know you're in, and your game next week (in the wildcard round) is set, you pretty much become like all the other already-clinched polayoff teams. You would prefer to keep your guys injury-free, as opposed to winning a pointless game, even one you have been fighting over for the past three hours. I didn't get to watch last week's game, so I didn't see how exactly the OT resolved itself besides the FG by the Rams, but if cthomer's description of the Jets' play choices is accurate, isn;t it telling that they ran it up the gut with their backup RB?

As for the Jets' feelings about letting the Rams in, what makes you think they gave a flyin' rat's ass about the Rams? The Rams are in the NFC and the two teams are unlikely to ever play again this year (Super Bowl being the only option). There is no potential homefield advantage at stake either later on in the playoffs between these two teams. It's not that the Jets want the Rams in the playoffs, it was just that they wouldn't have cared in that situation whether the Rams were in or not. It would have only mattered to them to keep their best players healthy, which ends up aiding the Rams (a potential side effect that the Jets don't really care about, but that's the way it goes).

As for you being at the game, that's fine and all, but I doubt that gives you much advantage over cthomer in the area of reading minds, as he clearly watched the game from beginning to end as well.

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Actually, it makes sense. Once you know you're in, and your game next week (in the wildcard round) is set, you pretty much become like all the other already-clinched polayoff teams. You would prefer to keep your guys injury-free, as opposed to winning a pointless game, even one you have been fighting over for the past three hours. I didn't get to watch last week's game, so I didn't see how exactly the OT resolved itself besides the FG by the Rams, but if cthomer's description of the Jets' play choices is accurate, isn;t it telling that they ran it up the gut with their backup RB?

As for the Jets' feelings about letting the Rams in, what makes you think they gave a flyin' rat's ass about the Rams? The Rams are in the NFC and the two teams are unlikely to ever play again this year (Super Bowl being the only option). There is no potential homefield advantage at stake either later on in the playoffs between these two teams. It's not that the Jets want the Rams in the playoffs, it was just that they wouldn't have cared in that situation whether the Rams were in or not. It would have only mattered to them to keep their best players healthy, which ends up aiding the Rams (a potential side effect that the Jets don't really care about, but that's the way it goes).

As for you being at the game, that's fine and all, but I doubt that gives you much advantage over cthomer in the area of reading minds, as he clearly watched the game from beginning to end as well.

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Sure it does, the game went into OT (and VERY late into OT) and if the Jets didn't give a rats ass, they would have given it to the Rams right off the bat.

I don't believe they played their asses off all game, then found out they were in and said, "Oh, who give a f*** now?".

Some of the media here was saying the Jets might have done that, and some weren't. I guess nobody will ever know. It's all moot now, we're in the playoffs, beat Seattle, and now it's off to Atlanta. Playing in a dome makes me happy, but Atlanta has a damn good defense.


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Sure it does, the game went into OT (and VERY late into OT) and if the Jets didn't give a rats ass, they would have given it to the Rams right off the bat.

I don't believe they played their asses off all game, then found out they were in and said, "Oh, who give a f*** now?".

Some of the media here was saying the Jets might have done that, and some weren't. I guess nobody will ever know. It's all moot now, we're in the playoffs, beat Seattle, and now it's off to Atlanta. Playing in a dome makes me happy, but Atlanta has a damn good defense.


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Generally agree with the last part, but thought I would respond to the first.

I'm not saying the Jets wanted to lose. I am saying they wanted to win less than get their best players hurt. So they stuck to simple plays and took their most critical offensive player (CMart) out. They no doubt believe in their backups at key spots (Jordan ain't bad after all), and of course they still wanted to win. Don't make it like we're saying the Jets said, "Oh, we're in no matter what, let's just walk off the field." You know quite well that's a ridiculous bastardization of what cthomer was saying (and what I was carrying forward).

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I would rather play the Falcons at this point.


I'm a Falcons fan, and I'd say in your shoes I'd wish the same thing. I don't think you'll win next week, mind, but you'll have a much better shot in the Georgia Dome than you would have at Philly. (Of course, as a Falcon fan, I'd much rather have you coming than the Vikes. I'd preffered Green Bay over both of ya, though, as they would be by far easiet to beat).
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Generally agree with the last part, but thought I would respond to the first.

I'm not saying the Jets wanted to lose. I am saying they wanted to win less than get their best players hurt. So they stuck to simple plays and took their most critical offensive player (CMart) out. They no doubt believe in their backups at key spots (Jordan ain't bad after all), and of course they still wanted to win. Don't make it like we're saying the Jets said, "Oh, we're in no matter what, let's just walk off the field." You know quite well that's a ridiculous bastardization of what cthomer was saying (and what I was carrying forward).

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I knew what you meant, you know your sports. It was such a great game and I go to them all... and after all the shit the Rams and Martz have been through with the so called "media" here, I just don't want it to sound like the Rams got a gift from the Jets to make it into the playoffs.

I know it's a prevlidge to play in the playoffs this year, especially after some of the games I've watched and sat through this year, but I'm glad we're there. Hell, that game vs the Seahawks Saturday (yeah I know his clock and timeout management sucks) was one of Martz's best coaching games since he's been here, imho. I know tomorrow all I'll hear about is how he used up all of his timeouts so early in the game.


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Old 01-09-2005, 09:22 PM   #45
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I'm a Falcons fan, and I'd say in your shoes I'd wish the same thing. I don't think you'll win next week, mind, but you'll have a much better shot in the Georgia Dome than you would have at Philly. (Of course, as a Falcon fan, I'd much rather have you coming than the Vikes. I'd preffered Green Bay over both of ya, though, as they would be by far easiet to beat).

Haven't you heard? We're fast and furious! I like our chances on turf much better than grass anyday.

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All I'm saying was it was pretty obvious that some of what the Jets did in overtime where things they would not have done in a normal situation. If they need to win that game, I absolutely do not believe Doug Brien attempts a 53 yard field goal in overtime, knowing that a miss there is basically handing the Rams the game.
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I wish it was the Rams that were coming to play the Eagles next week. The Vikings offense scares me much more than the Rams team does.

What makes you say that?


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All I'm saying was it was pretty obvious that some of what the Jets did in overtime where things they would not have done in a normal situation. If they need to win that game, I absolutely do not believe Doug Brien attempts a 53 yard field goal in overtime, knowing that a miss there is basically handing the Rams the game.

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I watched Brien before the game during warmups and that guy was hitting 55+ FG's at a regular pace. Nothing would have changed in the game, it's a dome. In fact, he had the distance for the 53 yarder, it was just right by a tad. I don't think the Jets making the playoffs had anything to do with that decision, you do. Touche'


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I don't believe that the Rams are that hot of a team, nor do I believe Marc Bulger is nearly as talented as Daunte Culpepper. The Rams were fortunate to play several teams that had nothing to really gain by winning the game in their last few games, and that is the only reason they are in the playoffs.

In my estimation, the Ram's defense is slightly better than the Vikings, but the Viking's offense (if Randy is healthy) is MUCH better than the Rams. Daunte Culpepper had an amazing season that isn't talked about much because of Peyton. The Vikings are the much scarier team in my opinion.
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I don't believe that the Rams are that hot of a team, nor do I believe Marc Bulger is nearly as talented as Daunte Culpepper. The Rams were fortunate to play several teams that had nothing to really gain by winning the game in their last few games, and that is the only reason they are in the playoffs.

In my estimation, the Ram's defense is slightly better than the Vikings, but the Viking's offense (if Randy is healthy) is MUCH better than the Rams. Daunte Culpepper had an amazing season that isn't talked about much because of Peyton. The Vikings are the much scarier team in my opinion.

I haven't seen much of Culpepper and he did have a good year, so it's a matter of difference there. The Jets DID have something to gain.. you can argue the ot thing where they knew they were the playoffs, but I don't buy it.

The Vikings offense is #2 and St. Louis is #3. I would not call that MUCH better.

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