Pedro to the Mets

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 02:06 PM

Gammons is saying Pedro is almost a lock to go to the Mets. They have an extra year guaranteed and the Sox say they aren't going to match it and think he'll sign with NYM.

4 years, 48 million

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 02:07 PM

This is big. Its all over ESPN Radio.

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 02:08 PM

Actually 4 for 50.

GrantDawg · 12-13-2004, 02:16 PM

That's what ESPN radio was saying Saturday. So, they finally got one right?

Fonzie · 12-13-2004, 02:17 PM

Wow. Four years is crazy.

jbmagic · 12-13-2004, 02:18 PM

and he doesnt get along with Piazza

should be interesting

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 02:21 PM

BREAKING NEWS: WBZ radio is reporting that it appears Pedro Martinez will be leaving the Red Sox to take a four-year, $50 million deal with the New York Mets. Nothing is official and neither the Red Sox or the Mets have made an announcement. -- Developing

McSweeny · 12-13-2004, 02:27 PM

just like Hudson to the Dodgers and Renteria to the Red Sox right? I've been amazed at how many of ESPN's reports have been wrong so far this offseason

stevew · 12-13-2004, 02:27 PM

Good, now that Pedro has to go to bat, maybe he wont be such a badass. Harder to throw inside when you gotta hit too.

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by McSweeny

just like Hudson to the Dodgers and Renteria to the Red Sox right? I've been amazed at how many of ESPN's reports have been wrong so far this offseason

Don't forget Manny to the Mets. I'll believe it's a deal when the teams announce it. If he does leave, that certainly frees up some cash though. I wonder who they'll go after now that Pavano is likely a Yankee.

Klinglerware · 12-13-2004, 02:29 PM

I don't like the Mets, but this would be a good move for Pedro, if true. Shea is such an extreme pitcher's park, it even made Kevin Appier and his 88 MPH fastball look good... I would imagine that Pedro would enjoy similar results...

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Good, now that Pedro has to go to bat, maybe he wont be such a badass. Harder to throw inside when you gotta hit too.

Yeah he didn't hit people when he was with the Expos.

Fonzie · 12-13-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Klinglerware

I don't like the Mets, but this would be a good move for Pedro, if true. Shea is such an extreme pitcher's park, it even made Kevin Appier and his 88 MPH fastball look good... I would imagine that Pedro would enjoy similar results...

For Pedro's sake I would hope so, as there were many games least season when he was topping out at 88-89 MPH.

McSweeny · 12-13-2004, 02:55 PM

geeze

4 years 56 million

Godzilla Blitz · 12-13-2004, 03:01 PM

As a Red Sox fan, I'd be relieved if Pedro left. I don't think signing him is a good move. Shea and the NL make sense for him; he may get better results. However, I was thinking Pavano would come in a replace him. With Pavano gone to the Yankees, that leaves a rather large hole in the Red Sox rotation:

Shilling, Wells, Arroyo, Wakefield, and ??

Schilling's getting up there in years, and has had injury problems two years in a row. Wells is old as well. I like Arroyo and Wakefield eats up innings, but they need a number two starter who can spit out quality innings.

I like the idea of signing Renteria, though.

Fonzie · 12-13-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by McSweeny

geeze

4 years 56 million

Fonzie · 12-13-2004, 03:04 PM

Dola-

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Originally Posted by Godzilla Blitz

I like the idea of signing Renteria, though.

Bastard! Go steal somebody else's shortstop!

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla Blitz

As a Red Sox fan, I'd be relieved if Pedro left. I don't think signing him is a good move. Shea and the NL make sense for him; he may get better results. However, I was thinking Pavano would come in a replace him. With Pavano gone to the Yankees, that leaves a rather large hole in the Red Sox rotation:

Shilling, Wells, Arroyo, Wakefield, and ??

Schilling's getting up there in years, and has had injury problems two years in a row. Wells is old as well. I like Arroyo and Wakefield eats up innings, but they need a number two starter who can spit out quality innings.

I like the idea of signing Renteria, though.

I have a strong suspicion that they'll end up getting one of the A's starters if there's anyway they can work out a deal.

Godzilla Blitz · 12-13-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

Dola-

Bastard! Go steal somebody else's shortstop!

I know you're joking, but I think you hit on a issue that we'll see more and more of in the upcoming years: the Red Sox getting hated for their money. Now that they've won a World Series, they've gone from being a loveable underdog to being one of the few uber-teams that can afford to buy a good team.

Although it works to Boston's disadvantage, I think baseball needs to address the inequalities in the financial playing field.

Anthony · 12-13-2004, 04:59 PM

i agree. it's not even fun how only 3 or 4 teams tops can afford to field competitive teams.

how can any sport not want a salary cap?

McSweeny · 12-13-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i agree. it's not even fun how only 3 or 4 teams tops can afford to field competitive teams.

how can any sport not want a salary cap?

yeah those marlins and angels sure had a hard time feilding competitive teams with their small payrolls didn't they?

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 05:47 PM

And the Twins and the A's.

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 05:49 PM

And on the flip side you have the Mets spending money and continuing to suck.

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 06:16 PM

For anyone waiting for confirmation:

No announcement from the Mets is scheduled, but Red Sox president Larry Lucchino has conceded that Pedro Martinez won't return to Boston.
"He was a great member of the Red Sox team for seven years, and a certain Hall of Famer," Lucchino wrote in an e-mail. "He will be missed, and we are disappointed to have lost him to the Mets and the National League." A deal will still have to be finalized with the Mets. The money may be essentially worked out, but Pedro will want his perks

DaddyTorgo · 12-13-2004, 06:18 PM

at this point I think they better get one of the A's starters. Ben Sheets just doesn't excite me AT ALL. And neither does AJ Burnett. I want someone with a bit more of a track-record. Sure, talk all you want about Burnett winning a WS, but he doesn't have the experience to be a #2 guy on a WS-caliber team.

SirFozzie · 12-13-2004, 07:31 PM

yup. If Pedro can get 4/50 out of the Mets.. good for him. I'm just glad it's not us rolling the dice on his health for that long

Swaggs · 12-13-2004, 07:33 PM

If I were a Red Sox fan, I would miss Pedro as a fan, but I would not be worried about the state of the team. Theo seems like he is capable and willing to build a team and if he loses Pedro's big salary, and possibly Manny's, he will bring in a combination of players with that money to replace him (or them).

McSweeny · 12-13-2004, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

If I were a Red Sox fan, I would miss Pedro as a fan, but I would not be worried about the state of the team. Theo seems like he is capable and willing to build a team and if he loses Pedro's big salary, and possibly Manny's, he will bring in a combination of players with that money to replace him (or them).

exactly. I love Pedro and will miss him dearly, but i cannot begrudge him for taking that kind of money/years. I have some amazing memories of him in a Red Sox uniform.

But

In Theo I Trust. He's done a pretty damn good job so far, and i have faith in him until he proves me wrong

vtbub · 12-13-2004, 07:38 PM

Pedro has always been an enigma.

Too bad his ego got in the way of winning.

He's an aging 34 year old pitcher capable of going 6 innings or 100 pitches and that's it. It would have been nice to see him retire in Boston, but the Sox are better without that contract.

mgadfly · 12-13-2004, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla Blitz

I know you're joking, but I think you hit on a issue that we'll see more and more of in the upcoming years: the Red Sox getting hated for their money. Now that they've won a World Series, they've gone from being a loveable underdog to being one of the few uber-teams that can afford to buy a good team.

Although it works to Boston's disadvantage, I think baseball needs to address the inequalities in the financial playing field.

Am I the only person that loves to hate the Yankees so much that they think a cap would be a very bad idea for baseball?

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 07:43 PM

They've got money to burn now lets see what they do with it. Option 1 seems to be overpaying Renteria. Follow that up with signing Clement, probably at far more than he deserves, but that's how this offseason has been. Then try to trade Arroyo, Hanley, and maybe something else for either an A's pitcher (never going to happen), Ben Sheets (supposedly untouchable), or A.J. Burnett (would be a good move, but the Yankees are already there and I think they'll make a better offer if it comes down to it). I almost forgot, whenever Tek realizes he has no market and isn't getting 5/50, he'll re-sign with the Sox. I'm guessing he'll get 4/40.

vtbub · 12-13-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

They've got money to burn now lets see what they do with it. Option 1 seems to be overpaying Renteria. Follow that up with signing Clement, probably at far more than he deserves, but that's how this offseason has been. Then try to trade Arroyo, Hanley, and maybe something else for either an A's pitcher (never going to happen), Ben Sheets (supposedly untouchable), or A.J. Burnett (would be a good move, but the Yankees are already there and I think they'll make a better offer if it comes down to it). I almost forgot, whenever Tek realizes he has no market and isn't getting 5/50, he'll re-sign with the Sox. I'm guessing he'll get 4/40.

If Edgar is willing to move to second in '06, then getting him is a good move. Clement is at least still on the young side of his career, definite risk here. I also wonder at this point if we take a shot at Derrick Lowe again.

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

If Edgar is willing to move to second in '06, then getting him is a good move. Clement is at least still on the young side of his career, definite risk here. I also wonder at this point if we take a shot at Derrick Lowe again.

DLowe is going to get money he's not worth where ever he goes. I don't see him back in Boston. Clement is definitely risky, but there isn't much left out there on the open market. If the Sox sign Edgar its going to be to a 4 year deal. That tells me Hanley is going somewhere for pitching.

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 08:02 PM

I think it's more likely they'd try and resurrect Cy Young before resigning Derek Lowe. You don't get the feeling they think very highly of him.

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

DLowe is going to get money he's not worth where ever he goes. I don't see him back in Boston. Clement is definitely risky, but there isn't much left out there on the open market. If the Sox sign Edgar its going to be to a 4 year deal. That tells me Hanley is going somewhere for pitching.

You know, that is the downside of playing in a large market. With the pressure to win all the time you end up trading away all your prospects for someone who can help you win right now.

Bomber · 12-13-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

You know, that is the downside of playing in a large market. With the pressure to win all the time you end up trading away all your prospects for someone who can help you win right now.

The thing I've learned is most of these guys don't pan out, but when they do it definitely sucks.

Swaggs · 12-13-2004, 08:52 PM

It is ironic that Renteria may end up making more than Nomar and play for the Red Sox in 2005.

Fonzie · 12-13-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla Blitz

I know you're joking, but I think you hit on a issue that we'll see more and more of in the upcoming years: the Red Sox getting hated for their money. Now that they've won a World Series, they've gone from being a loveable underdog to being one of the few uber-teams that can afford to buy a good team.

Although it works to Boston's disadvantage, I think baseball needs to address the inequalities in the financial playing field.

You're absolutely right - joking aside, I already resent the money the Red Sox can throw around. I will admit that attitude might have something to do with them: 1) sweeping my Cardinals in the World Series and; 2) trying to steal our shortstop. But now that the Sox have won the World Series it will be harder for the average fan to sympathize with them as much - they're becoming just a slightly smaller version of the Yankees.

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 09:06 PM

They started it!

Blackadar · 12-13-2004, 09:11 PM

I'm a Sox fan and I've always said that MLB should address the inequities in the game funding.

Back to Pedro...as a Sox fan, you have to love Pedro. But I'm very relieved we didn't resign him. I think he's aging, breaking down and doesn't show the work ethic that is required to pitch into his late 30s. We can take that $12.5m and spend it on two or three good players who may turn out to be like Ortiz. Pedro may prove his worth for a season or two, but I think the Mets will end up with the short end of the stick.

Godzilla Blitz · 12-13-2004, 09:28 PM

Boston Globe is reporting the deal as complete, pending a physical.

Pedro to the Mets for 4 years and $50 million.

Whew. Very relieved the Red Sox didn't spend this money on him. I just don't think he's going to produce anywhere close to that value over the next four years.

My only concern is that this is exactly how I felt when the Red Sox lost Clemens.

Desnudo · 12-13-2004, 09:32 PM

I think they're two different personalities though. Clemens took it personally when he left and got into incredible shape after having let himself go for a long time. I don't know if Pedro has that kind of make-up. At least he's out of the AL.

Fonzie · 12-13-2004, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla Blitz

Boston Globe is reporting the deal as complete, pending a physical.

Pedro to the Mets for 4 years and $50 million.

Whew. Very relieved the Red Sox didn't spend this money on him. I just don't think he's going to produce anywhere close to that value over the next four years.

My only concern is that this is exactly how I felt when the Red Sox lost Clemens.

I also thought it was smart of the Sox to get rid of Clemens - but at least with Clemens he had the physique to possibly pitch well as he aged. Pedro doesn't, so I think the chances of him pulling a late-career Clemens are very, very slim. At best, methinks, he'll be pitching at 37 like Greg Maddux pitched at 37 - 16-11, 3.96 ERA. Good, but not $50 million-good. We shall see.

jbmagic · 12-13-2004, 10:21 PM

doesnt Martinez hate Piazza..

i tought he talk trash about Piazza when he left the Dodgers

Suicane75 · 12-13-2004, 10:54 PM

Heres the main problem I have with the Mets doing this, and it was the subject of a long segment of Mike And The Mad Dog last week when this thing first started to leak, the Mets are not built for Pedro, I know it sounds ridiculous becuase of course you want talent wherever you can get it, but Pedro at this point is a 6 inning pitcher, and the Mets have no bullpen at all. He's gonna go out there, give up 2 runs over 5 or 6 innings and then the bullpen is gonna have to hold things down over 2 or 3 innings until they can get to Looper, and that just isn't gonna happen unless they upgrade significantly in that area. This is a great move if they go out and signifigantly upgrage their bullpen, if they don't however than this is essentially wasted money.

Bomber · 12-14-2004, 01:19 AM

Uh oh. This isn't a done deal yet.

According to ESPN radio, Pedro Martinez's agent has told the Mets he doesn't want a shoulder MRI included in the right-hander's physical.

Solecismic · 12-14-2004, 02:39 AM

That's big. Rumors are strong around here (and they are just rumors) that Pedro has significant shoulder damage and is always just one pitch away from a torn labrum.

Lowe was offered arbitration. In this market, he may well get a nice offer. But there's always the chance he could accept arbitration the way Maddux did in his last year in Atlanta. Then use 2005 to make a case for the big contract.

I've always liked Lowe. I hope it works out that the Sox can keep him.

Chief Rum · 12-14-2004, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Uh oh. This isn't a done deal yet.

According to ESPN radio, Pedro Martinez's agent has told the Mets he doesn't want a shoulder MRI included in the right-hander's physical.

Sheesh, that's like telling a cop it's okay to search your car, but don't look in the trunk.

CR

Alan T · 12-14-2004, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by vtbub

I also wonder at this point if we take a shot at Derrick Lowe again.

If I understand the direction the Sox front office is going with how they select players, Derrick Lowe does not fit into the style of starting pitcher that they are looking for. Obviously if they get good deals or bargain contracts on players that are not their "type" then I think they would go for it. With the demand for pitching the way it is, and the prices being offered to pitchers, they will not get Lowe at a bargain price, thus I do not think they will be actively seeking him.

Ramzavail · 12-14-2004, 09:19 AM

If the Mets don't get a MRI from Pedro, they are stupid.

Case closed.

If you dont sign Vlad b/c of a bad back, why sign Pedro with a bad arm?

12-13-2004, 07:31 PM	#26
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	yup. If Pedro can get 4/50 out of the Mets.. good for him. I'm just glad it's not us rolling the dice on his health for that long __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-13-2004, 07:33 PM	#27
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	If I were a Red Sox fan, I would miss Pedro as a fan, but I would not be worried about the state of the team. Theo seems like he is capable and willing to build a team and if he loses Pedro's big salary, and possibly Manny's, he will bring in a combination of players with that money to replace him (or them). __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-13-2004, 07:38 PM	#29
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Pedro has always been an enigma. Too bad his ego got in the way of winning. He's an aging 34 year old pitcher capable of going 6 innings or 100 pitches and that's it. It would have been nice to see him retire in Boston, but the Sox are better without that contract. __________________

12-13-2004, 08:52 PM	#37
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	It is ironic that Renteria may end up making more than Nomar and play for the Red Sox in 2005. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-13-2004, 02:07 PM	#2
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	This is big. Its all over ESPN Radio.

12-13-2004, 02:08 PM	#3
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	Actually 4 for 50.

12-13-2004, 02:16 PM	#4
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	That's what ESPN radio was saying Saturday. So, they finally got one right?

12-13-2004, 02:17 PM	#5
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Wow. Four years is crazy.

12-13-2004, 02:18 PM	#6
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	and he doesnt get along with Piazza should be interesting

12-13-2004, 02:21 PM	#7
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	BREAKING NEWS: WBZ radio is reporting that it appears Pedro Martinez will be leaving the Red Sox to take a four-year, $50 million deal with the New York Mets. Nothing is official and neither the Red Sox or the Mets have made an announcement. -- Developing

12-13-2004, 02:27 PM	#8
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	just like Hudson to the Dodgers and Renteria to the Red Sox right? I've been amazed at how many of ESPN's reports have been wrong so far this offseason

12-13-2004, 02:27 PM	#9
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Good, now that Pedro has to go to bat, maybe he wont be such a badass. Harder to throw inside when you gotta hit too.

12-13-2004, 02:29 PM	#11
Klinglerware College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The DMV	I don't like the Mets, but this would be a good move for Pedro, if true. Shea is such an extreme pitcher's park, it even made Kevin Appier and his 88 MPH fastball look good... I would imagine that Pedro would enjoy similar results...

12-13-2004, 02:55 PM	#14
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	geeze 4 years 56 million

12-13-2004, 03:01 PM	#15
Godzilla Blitz College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	As a Red Sox fan, I'd be relieved if Pedro left. I don't think signing him is a good move. Shea and the NL make sense for him; he may get better results. However, I was thinking Pavano would come in a replace him. With Pavano gone to the Yankees, that leaves a rather large hole in the Red Sox rotation: Shilling, Wells, Arroyo, Wakefield, and ?? Schilling's getting up there in years, and has had injury problems two years in a row. Wells is old as well. I like Arroyo and Wakefield eats up innings, but they need a number two starter who can spit out quality innings. I like the idea of signing Renteria, though.

12-13-2004, 04:59 PM	#20
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i agree. it's not even fun how only 3 or 4 teams tops can afford to field competitive teams. how can any sport not want a salary cap?

12-13-2004, 05:47 PM	#22
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	And the Twins and the A's.

12-13-2004, 05:49 PM	#23
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	And on the flip side you have the Mets spending money and continuing to suck.

12-13-2004, 06:16 PM	#24
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	For anyone waiting for confirmation: No announcement from the Mets is scheduled, but Red Sox president Larry Lucchino has conceded that Pedro Martinez won't return to Boston. "He was a great member of the Red Sox team for seven years, and a certain Hall of Famer," Lucchino wrote in an e-mail. "He will be missed, and we are disappointed to have lost him to the Mets and the National League." A deal will still have to be finalized with the Mets. The money may be essentially worked out, but Pedro will want his perks

12-13-2004, 06:18 PM	#25
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	at this point I think they better get one of the A's starters. Ben Sheets just doesn't excite me AT ALL. And neither does AJ Burnett. I want someone with a bit more of a track-record. Sure, talk all you want about Burnett winning a WS, but he doesn't have the experience to be a #2 guy on a WS-caliber team.

12-13-2004, 07:43 PM	#31
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	They've got money to burn now lets see what they do with it. Option 1 seems to be overpaying Renteria. Follow that up with signing Clement, probably at far more than he deserves, but that's how this offseason has been. Then try to trade Arroyo, Hanley, and maybe something else for either an A's pitcher (never going to happen), Ben Sheets (supposedly untouchable), or A.J. Burnett (would be a good move, but the Yankees are already there and I think they'll make a better offer if it comes down to it). I almost forgot, whenever Tek realizes he has no market and isn't getting 5/50, he'll re-sign with the Sox. I'm guessing he'll get 4/40.

12-13-2004, 08:02 PM	#34
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I think it's more likely they'd try and resurrect Cy Young before resigning Derek Lowe. You don't get the feeling they think very highly of him.

12-13-2004, 09:06 PM	#39
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	They started it!

12-13-2004, 09:11 PM	#40
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	I'm a Sox fan and I've always said that MLB should address the inequities in the game funding. Back to Pedro...as a Sox fan, you have to love Pedro. But I'm very relieved we didn't resign him. I think he's aging, breaking down and doesn't show the work ethic that is required to pitch into his late 30s. We can take that $12.5m and spend it on two or three good players who may turn out to be like Ortiz. Pedro may prove his worth for a season or two, but I think the Mets will end up with the short end of the stick.

12-13-2004, 09:28 PM	#41
Godzilla Blitz College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Boston Globe is reporting the deal as complete, pending a physical. Pedro to the Mets for 4 years and $50 million. Whew. Very relieved the Red Sox didn't spend this money on him. I just don't think he's going to produce anywhere close to that value over the next four years. My only concern is that this is exactly how I felt when the Red Sox lost Clemens.

12-13-2004, 09:32 PM	#42
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I think they're two different personalities though. Clemens took it personally when he left and got into incredible shape after having let himself go for a long time. I don't know if Pedro has that kind of make-up. At least he's out of the AL.

12-13-2004, 10:21 PM	#44
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	doesnt Martinez hate Piazza.. i tought he talk trash about Piazza when he left the Dodgers

12-13-2004, 10:54 PM	#45
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Heres the main problem I have with the Mets doing this, and it was the subject of a long segment of Mike And The Mad Dog last week when this thing first started to leak, the Mets are not built for Pedro, I know it sounds ridiculous becuase of course you want talent wherever you can get it, but Pedro at this point is a 6 inning pitcher, and the Mets have no bullpen at all. He's gonna go out there, give up 2 runs over 5 or 6 innings and then the bullpen is gonna have to hold things down over 2 or 3 innings until they can get to Looper, and that just isn't gonna happen unless they upgrade significantly in that area. This is a great move if they go out and signifigantly upgrage their bullpen, if they don't however than this is essentially wasted money.

12-14-2004, 01:19 AM	#46
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	Uh oh. This isn't a done deal yet. According to ESPN radio, Pedro Martinez's agent has told the Mets he doesn't want a shoulder MRI included in the right-hander's physical.

12-14-2004, 02:39 AM	#47
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	That's big. Rumors are strong around here (and they are just rumors) that Pedro has significant shoulder damage and is always just one pitch away from a torn labrum. Lowe was offered arbitration. In this market, he may well get a nice offer. But there's always the chance he could accept arbitration the way Maddux did in his last year in Atlanta. Then use 2005 to make a case for the big contract. I've always liked Lowe. I hope it works out that the Sox can keep him.

12-14-2004, 09:19 AM	#50
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	If the Mets don't get a MRI from Pedro, they are stupid. Case closed. If you dont sign Vlad b/c of a bad back, why sign Pedro with a bad arm?

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