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Old 11-18-2004, 12:32 PM   #1
Huckleberry
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My Computer Ratings (NCAA and NFL)

It was my goal at first to devise computer ratings that accounted for more than just points, such as yards gained and allowed. However, that quickly changed when I decided that I would want to be able to apply my system to the high school ranks and publish an open-source ratings set for Texas high school football.

With that in mind, I decided to combine aspects of both the Massey and Colley formulas, as explained below:

I've gone with a matrix system using the mathematical basis used by Colley's rankings as explained in this PDF file. This is basically a method to solve the system of equations created by attempting to solve for each team's rating based on each game played.

However, Colley uses a simple game scoring system of 1 and -1. For a win you get 1 and a loss you get -1. He's 100% opposed to using margin of victory in any way, and is actually quite feisty about it. I don't agree and am including it because it clearly indicates team strength when Team A beats Team C by 40 points while Team B beats them by 3 points.

So how to score games? There certainly should be a difference between winning by 7 points and winning by 21 points. But the bonus for winning by 54 instead of 40 shouldn't be quite so high. My game scoring method is based on the Game Outcome Function used by Massey and explained here:

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Game Outcome Function (GOF)

Given the score of a game, GOF(pA,pB) assigns a number between 0 and 1 that estimates the probability that team A would win a rematch under the same conditions. Based on previous experience, it seems reasonable to distinguish between a 10-0 win and a 50-40 win. A close high scoring game is likely to have more variance, and less likely to be dominated by either team. While a low scoring game may indicate a defensive struggle, or poor game conditions. In which case, a small deficit is more difficult to overcome.

For my initial ratings, I developed a GOF that closely approximates Massey's example listed on that page. Here's a comparison:

A's points (pA)B's points (pB)Massey's GOFHuck's GOF
30290.5270.5308
1090.53590.5318
27240.58360.5900
27200.69240.6975
50400.72920.7503
1000.85480.8567
30140.87860.8721
45210.94330.9353
45140.98230.9740
3000.9920.9882
5630.99980.9991


That was my attempt to mimic Massey's GOF. Now, for my ratings I modified the function so that the minimum GOF for a winning team is 2/3 . While that's a popular number around here, I'm actually using it because I wanted a certain level of credit for winning the game. I'm actually using 3/4 for the NFL and the straight GOF above for high school. It's my opinion that the higher the level, the more confidence you can have that the winning team is the better team.

I took the GOF and multiplied it by 2 and subtracted 1 to arrive at the game score for each team in each game. This results in an infinite blowout being a score of 1 for the winning team and a score of -1 for the losing team.

Here are the results of this rating system for the season-to-date in college football:

RankTeamRatingRecord
1Oklahoma0.90910-0
2Southern Cal0.88910-0
3Auburn0.87010-0
4Utah0.83410-0
5California0.8328-1
6Texas0.8129-1
7Arizona St.0.7778-2
8Miami (FL)0.7607-2
9Louisville0.7587-1
10Florida St.0.7528-2
11Georgia0.7468-2
12Michigan0.7379-1
13Boise St.0.7289-0
14Texas A&M0.7247-3
15Virginia0.7227-2
16Tennessee0.7117-2
17LSU0.7087-2
18Oklahoma St.0.7037-3
19Wisconsin0.7019-1
20Iowa0.6948-2
21Boston College0.6647-2
22Purdue0.6636-4
23Virginia Tech0.6627-2
24Florida0.6596-4
25Notre Dame0.6476-4
26Texas Tech0.6396-4
27UTEP0.6277-2
28UCLA0.6206-4
29West Virginia0.6198-2
30Fresno St.0.6156-3
31Arkansas0.6134-5
32Bowling Green0.6118-2
33Ohio St.0.6106-4
34Oregon St.0.6045-5
35South Carolina0.6026-4
36Colorado0.5916-4
37Michigan St.0.5775-5
38Minnesota0.5766-5
39Georgia Tech0.5746-3
40Alabama0.5736-4
41UAB0.5676-3
42North Carolina0.5575-5
43New Mexico0.5566-4
44Oregon0.5535-5
45Memphis0.5526-3
46Stanford0.5494-6
47Pittsburgh0.5476-3
48BYU0.5475-5
49Cincinnati0.5215-4
50Northwestern0.5085-5
51Missouri0.5084-5
52Miami (OH)0.5077-3
53Iowa St.0.5075-4
54Kansas St.0.5054-6
55Clemson0.5045-5
56Nebraska0.5045-5
57Southern Miss0.5035-3
58No. Illinois0.5017-3
59Toledo0.4987-3
60Maryland0.4974-5
61Kansas0.4943-7
62Troy0.4896-4
63Syracuse0.4875-5
64Wake Forest0.4854-5
65North Texas0.4826-4
66Louisiana Tech0.4815-5
67Washington St.0.4784-6
68No. Carolina St.0.4784-6
69Wyoming0.4776-4
70Marshall0.4715-5
71Navy0.4677-2
72Colorado St.0.4644-6
73Rutgers0.4574-5
74Connecticut0.4555-4
75South Florida0.4394-4
76Hawaii0.4384-5
77Penn St.0.4363-7
78Mississippi St.0.4333-6
79TCU0.4284-5
80Middle Tenn. St.0.4275-5
81Air Force0.4124-6
82Mississippi0.4103-6
83Akron0.4036-4
84New Mexico St.0.3975-5
85Houston0.3873-7
86Indiana0.3863-7
87Arizona0.3772-8
88San Diego St.0.3733-7
89Baylor0.3703-7
90Tulane0.3564-5
91Kent St.0.3504-6
92Illinois0.3473-7
93Rice0.3363-7
94Vanderbilt0.3332-8
95UNLV0.3272-8
96Kentucky0.3162-8
97La.-Lafayette0.3014-6
98Duke0.2981-9
99Washington0.2951-9
100Nevada0.2915-5
101SMU0.2873-7
102Army0.2842-7
103Arkansas St.0.2763-7
104E. Michigan0.2724-6
105East Carolina0.2702-7
106Ohio0.2664-7
107Temple0.2642-8
108La.-Monroe0.2634-6
109Tulsa0.2602-8
110Ball St.0.2492-8
111Idaho0.2393-8
112Utah St.0.2272-8
113San Jose St.0.2042-7
114Cen. Michigan0.1913-7
115Buffalo0.1562-8
116UCF0.1390-10
117W. Michigan0.1311-9


Initial review shows that this system is heavily points dependent, as it should be based on the GOF used. A team that wins by a single point gets a game score of ~.333 while the losing team gets a game score of ~-.333 as compared to the 1 and -1 from a system that doesn't use points at all. Logically this can be taken to mean that, based on this game, this GOF is saying that we can be 66.7% sure that the winning team is better than the losing team whereas the no-points system states that, based only on this game, we are 100% sure that the winning team is a better team.

Anyway, here's the NFL results for this year so far:

RankTeamRatingRecord
1New England0.7568-1
2Pittsburgh0.7538-1
3Philadelphia0.7528-1
4Indianapolis0.6456-3
5Baltimore0.6406-3
6San Diego0.6146-3
7Atlanta0.5997-2
8NY Jets0.5886-3
9Denver0.5856-3
10Jacksonville0.5676-3
11NY Giants0.5435-4
12Minnesota0.5385-4
13Green Bay0.5085-4
14Seattle0.4815-4
15Cleveland0.4783-6
16Detroit0.4774-5
17Houston0.4754-5
18St. Louis0.4725-4
19Cincinnati0.4684-5
20Buffalo0.4543-6
21Chicago0.4454-5
22Arizona0.4394-5
23Kansas City0.4333-6
24Tennessee0.4103-6
25Dallas0.3933-6
26Washington0.3883-6
27New Orleans0.3774-5
28Oakland0.3763-6
29Tampa Bay0.3743-6
30Carolina0.3412-7
31Miami0.3121-8
32San Francisco0.2301-8


Texas high school results will be forthcoming. But that's a lot of data to enter.

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Old 11-18-2004, 12:44 PM   #2
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Thoughts?

It passes the smell test in that the final rankings approximate how I think that the teams should be ordered in my subjective opinion.

Personally, I don't agree with using margin of victory simply because we tell teams that winning is the only thing, and then rate them on how much they win by. But that's just a difference of opinion.

Overall, I like the results.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:03 PM   #3
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Not a bad ranking system at all. There are a few quibbles, such as albionmoonlight refered to, that margin of victory can be deceptive sometimes. Some teams will run up the score, while others won't and that does have an effect, no matter how slight.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:44 PM   #4
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Not a bad ranking system at all. There are a few quibbles, such as albionmoonlight refered to, that margin of victory can be deceptive sometimes. Some teams will run up the score, while others won't and that does have an effect, no matter how slight.
Which is why in my opinion anything that has "margin of victory" as a factor should have a cap or as the margin of victory gets higher the points count less.

such as it starts at .333 and it for the first 10 points and works down from there or something.
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Old 11-18-2004, 02:06 PM   #5
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The diminishing returns shown above is the same thing as a cap. And because it doesn't use direct margin of victory, the cap you speak of can't be implemented.

Calling a 63-42 win the same thing as a 41-0 win is crazy, IMO. (A 21 point MOV cap)
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Old 11-21-2004, 03:54 PM   #6
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RankTeamRatingRecord
1Oklahoma0.90411-0
2Southern Cal0.89010-0
3Auburn0.86711-0
4Utah0.85311-0
5California0.8499-1
6Texas0.8149-1
7Arizona St.0.7828-2
8Miami (FL)0.7828-2
9Louisville0.7738-1
10Boise St.0.75310-0
11Virginia0.7478-2
12Georgia0.7418-2
13Iowa0.7329-2
14Texas A&M0.7307-3
15Florida St.0.7298-3
16Oklahoma St.0.7077-3
17LSU0.7038-2
18Michigan0.7029-2
19Tennessee0.6928-2
20Virginia Tech0.6908-2
21Purdue0.6807-4
22Florida0.6777-4
23Wisconsin0.6699-2
24Boston College0.6628-2
25Ohio St.0.6527-4
26Texas Tech0.6446-4
27Notre Dame0.6416-4
28UTEP0.6408-2
29Oregon St.0.6376-5
30Fresno St.0.6317-3
31UCLA0.6206-4
32West Virginia0.6168-2
33Arkansas0.6105-5
34Bowling Green0.6108-2
35Colorado0.5916-4
36North Carolina0.5776-5
37New Mexico0.5737-4
38Minnesota0.5686-5
39UAB0.5687-3
40Alabama0.5636-5
41Georgia Tech0.5596-4
42South Carolina0.5596-5
43Cincinnati0.5536-4
44Iowa St.0.5486-4
45Clemson0.5456-5
46Pittsburgh0.5436-3
47Memphis0.5427-3
48BYU0.5355-6
49Stanford0.5324-7
50Michigan St.0.5305-6
51Kansas0.5284-7
52Miami (OH)0.5238-3
53Oregon0.5205-6
54Navy0.5188-2
55Northwestern0.5166-5
56No. Illinois0.5168-3
57Troy0.5037-4
58Toledo0.5017-3
59Nebraska0.5005-5
60North Texas0.4957-4
61Syracuse0.4875-5
62No. Carolina St.0.4854-6
63Penn St.0.4814-7
64Washington St.0.4795-6
65Kansas St.0.4764-7
66Maryland0.4744-6
67Marshall0.4736-5
68Wake Forest0.4724-5
69TCU0.4715-5
70Missouri0.4704-6
71Connecticut0.4686-4
72Louisiana Tech0.4675-6
73Hawaii0.4665-5
74Wyoming0.4636-5
75Air Force0.4605-6
76Southern Miss0.4565-4
77Mississippi St.0.4303-7
78Colorado St.0.4244-7
79Rutgers0.4144-6
80Mississippi0.4073-7
81South Florida0.4044-5
82San Diego St.0.4024-7
83Middle Tenn. St.0.3935-6
84Akron0.3886-5
85Houston0.3813-8
86Arizona0.3772-8
87Baylor0.3763-8
88Indiana0.3693-8
89New Mexico St.0.3565-6
90Tulane0.3554-5
91Kent St.0.3474-6
92Rice0.3443-7
93Illinois0.3413-8
94Vanderbilt0.3402-9
95Kentucky0.3122-8
96UNLV0.2972-9
97Army0.2942-8
98Washington0.2921-10
99Tulsa0.2913-8
100Duke0.2901-10
101SMU0.2853-8
102Nevada0.2805-6
103La.-Monroe0.2785-6
104East Carolina0.2712-8
105La.-Lafayette0.2675-6
106Ohio0.2644-7
107Temple0.2602-9
108Utah St.0.2603-8
109E. Michigan0.2544-7
110Arkansas St.0.2503-8
111Ball St.0.2302-9
112Idaho0.2183-9
113Cen. Michigan0.2014-7
114San Jose St.0.1862-8
115Buffalo0.1412-9
116UCF0.1380-10
117W. Michigan0.1341-10
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:05 PM   #7
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What about the differnence between a 63-42 win vs. a 21-0 win. I didn't read all too in-depth about your margin system, but woudln't you think that a 21-0 win should get more than a 63-42 win?
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:07 PM   #8
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Very nice looking rankings this week.
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Old 11-21-2004, 05:20 PM   #9
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sooner333 -

In this system, the 21-0 gets more credit.
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:54 AM   #10
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RankTeamRatingRecord
1New England0.7609-1
2Philadelphia0.7589-1
3Pittsburgh0.7539-1
4Indianapolis0.6697-3
5Baltimore0.6587-3
6San Diego0.6287-3
7Atlanta0.6148-2
8Denver0.6107-3
9NY Jets0.6057-3
10Minnesota0.5536-4
11Jacksonville0.5446-4
12Green Bay0.5306-4
13NY Giants0.5165-5
14Buffalo0.4884-6
15Seattle0.4826-4
16Cincinnati0.4694-6
17Cleveland0.4643-7
18Houston0.4624-6
19Detroit0.4544-6
20Tennessee0.4454-6
21Kansas City0.4393-7
22St. Louis0.4295-5
23Chicago0.4234-6
24Tampa Bay0.3974-6
25Carolina0.3893-7
26Arizona0.3884-6
27Oakland0.3803-7
28Washington0.3763-7
29Dallas0.3743-7
30New Orleans0.3534-6
31Miami0.2991-9
32San Francisco0.1981-9
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:05 AM   #11
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The rankings seem to be about as spot on as any I've seen.

However, I'm curious about this statement from your first post...

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That was my attempt to mimic Massey's GOF. Now, for my ratings I modified the function so that the minimum GOF for a winning team is 2/3 . While that's a popular number around here, I'm actually using it because I wanted a certain level of credit for winning the game. I'm actually using 3/4 for the NFL and the straight GOF above for high school. It's my opinion that the higher the level, the more confidence you can have that the winning team is the better team.

I think I'm probably of the opposite opinion. My thought would be that the higher the level, the closer the two teams probably are in talent, the more impact coaching and game planning can have and the greater chance of an upset.

It probably doesn't change your college ratings because they certainly lie in between the NFL and high school, no matter which way you go, but I'm wondering how much it skews the NFL ratings if you were to go closer to the straight GOF.
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:43 AM   #12
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First my logic. Professional athletes are more likely to perform at their ability level. They have more practice time, more experience, etc. High school kids, and to a lesser extent college players, will have more variation in their performance, therefore our confidence that they played at their ability level is lower for each game. Anyway, here are the rankings using the straight GOF (~.53 instead of .75 for a close win):

RankTeamRatingRecord
1New England0.6989-1
2Philadelphia0.6969-1
3Pittsburgh0.6789-1
4Indianapolis0.6587-3
5Baltimore0.6387-3
6San Diego0.6287-3
7Denver0.5907-3
8NY Jets0.5887-3
9Atlanta0.5538-2
10NY Giants0.5305-5
11Minnesota0.5266-4
12Green Bay0.5176-4
13Buffalo0.5084-6
14Seattle0.4966-4
15Jacksonville0.4946-4
16Cleveland0.4933-7
17Kansas City0.4873-7
18Cincinnati0.4844-6
19Houston0.4814-6
20Detroit0.4644-6
21Tennessee0.4594-6
22Chicago0.4424-6
23Tampa Bay0.4384-6
24Carolina0.4373-7
25St. Louis0.4165-5
26Washington0.4123-7
27Arizona0.4064-6
28Oakland0.3953-7
29Miami0.3761-9
30Dallas0.3633-7
31New Orleans0.3444-6
32San Francisco0.2621-9
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:50 AM   #13
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Interesting. Thanks. I understand your logic (though still not sure if I agree with it), but I do think the ratings look better with the modified GOF.
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Old 11-28-2004, 08:10 AM   #14
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RankTeamRatingRecord
1Southern Cal0.91211-0
2Oklahoma0.90211-0
3Auburn0.86911-0
4Utah0.85811-0
5California0.8529-1
6Texas0.83710-1
7Louisville0.7909-1
8Miami (FL)0.7818-2
9Boise St.0.75811-0
10Georgia0.7509-2
11LSU0.7339-2
12Arizona St.0.7298-3
13Florida St.0.7298-3
14Virginia Tech0.7289-2
15Iowa0.7239-2
16Virginia0.7198-3
17Texas A&M0.7087-4
18Michigan0.6959-2
19Tennessee0.6879-2
20Florida0.6767-4
21Oklahoma St.0.6767-4
22Texas Tech0.6767-4
23Purdue0.6757-4
24Wisconsin0.6669-2
25Ohio St.0.6467-4
26Oregon St.0.6436-5
27Fresno St.0.6358-3
28Notre Dame0.6206-5
29UCLA0.6186-4
30Boston College0.6078-3
31Colorado0.6037-4
32UTEP0.5988-3
33West Virginia0.5948-3
34Arkansas0.5855-6
35North Carolina0.5806-5
36Bowling Green0.5778-3
37New Mexico0.5777-4
38Alabama0.5676-5
39Memphis0.5658-3
40Minnesota0.5656-5
41Pittsburgh0.5627-3
42South Carolina0.5596-5
43Georgia Tech0.5586-5
44Clemson0.5436-5
45BYU0.5365-6
46UAB0.5367-4
47Kansas0.5354-7
48Cincinnati0.5306-5
49Stanford0.5294-7
50Toledo0.5298-3
51Syracuse0.5276-5
52Iowa St.0.5246-5
53Michigan St.0.5235-6
54Miami (OH)0.5238-3
55Navy0.5218-2
56Oregon0.5215-6
57No. Illinois0.5138-3
58No. Carolina St.0.5095-6
59Troy0.5097-4
60North Texas0.4997-4
61Hawaii0.4946-5
62Maryland0.4945-6
63Nebraska0.4925-6
64Missouri0.4885-6
65Northwestern0.4846-6
66Washington St.0.4835-6
67Connecticut0.4837-4
68Southern Miss0.4786-4
69Kansas St.0.4774-7
70Marshall0.4706-5
71Louisiana Tech0.4705-6
72Penn St.0.4704-7
73Wyoming0.4666-5
74Air Force0.4625-6
75Wake Forest0.4504-6
76Mississippi0.4434-7
77TCU0.4425-6
78Arizona0.4343-8
79Colorado St.0.4284-7
80San Diego St.0.4034-7
81Rutgers0.3974-7
82Mississippi St.0.3953-8
83Middle Tenn. St.0.3945-6
84Akron0.3846-5
85Houston0.3823-8
86Tulane0.3805-5
87South Florida0.3764-6
88Baylor0.3723-8
89Indiana0.3633-8
90Kent St.0.3605-6
91New Mexico St.0.3525-6
92Rice0.3503-7
93Vanderbilt0.3422-9
94Illinois0.3353-8
95Tulsa0.3324-8
96Kentucky0.3202-9
97UNLV0.2992-9
98Washington0.2981-10
99Duke0.2921-10
100Army0.2882-8
101Nevada0.2865-7
102SMU0.2853-8
103La.-Monroe0.2785-6
104La.-Lafayette0.2695-6
105Ohio0.2664-7
106Utah St.0.2623-8
107Arkansas St.0.2603-8
108Temple0.2572-9
109E. Michigan0.2554-7
110East Carolina0.2512-9
111Ball St.0.2252-9
112Idaho0.2233-9
113Cen. Michigan0.2014-7
114San Jose St.0.1872-9
115Buffalo0.1452-9
116W. Michigan0.1361-10
117UCF0.1200-11
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Old 12-04-2004, 02:05 AM   #15
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I'm not sure if anyone still cares about this, but I've added automation to the process. Now all I have to do is type in the teams and scores for each game and let the program I wrote do the rest.

Here's a link to the output page from the program for college ball. In case you weren't aware, it's pretty clearly based on David Rothman's program. I had to change it up, but the code includes references to all source material.

http://www.hornfans.com/recruiting/h...rry/D1RATE.TXT
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Old 12-04-2004, 10:28 AM   #16
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I haven't said so yet, but I definitely care about this. Nice job, Huck.
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Old 12-04-2004, 11:13 AM   #17
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Pretty good for a Longhorns fan.
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:02 PM   #18
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could you send me a copy of you program. I have dabled in trying different ranking systems and have even made an elaborate spreadsheet in excel. Can your matrix be input into excel? I have read massey's articles but, my pathetic math knowledge limits me in many ways.
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could you send me a copy of your program. I have dabled in trying different ranking systems and have even made an elaborate spreadsheet in excel. Can your matrix be input into excel? I have read massey's articles but, my pathetic math knowledge limits me in many ways.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:15 PM   #20
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Actually, my rankings set started out in Excel because it's matrix based. However, my Excel (Office 97) has issues inverting matrices larger than 52 x 52, so I had to get Quattro Pro to do that part.

The matrix I have is Colley's Matrix but the game scoring system is different. PM me with your e-mail address and I can send you what I have.
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