FFL Trade

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:18 PM

Would you decline this? Meaning disallow it.

Pennington and Owens

for

Garcia
Thomas Jones
D. Mason

gottimd · 09-29-2004, 01:19 PM

If you are the one who has Pennington and Owens, I would not accept that trade.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:20 PM

I meant not allow it to go through between two other teams.

Crapshoot · 09-29-2004, 01:21 PM

that seems like a joke- unless your league has a strange point system that doesnt reward very good performance highly.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:23 PM

pretty standard league.

Danny · 09-29-2004, 01:24 PM

Looks fine to me. That will end up a lot more even then you might think. Especially when Thomas Jones finishes the year rated in the top 10 for RB's.

gottimd · 09-29-2004, 01:27 PM

Yeah, I would need to see the scoring system. Also, the teams in question, their rosters, if the trade satisfys the needs of both teams, then possibly yes, but just looking at that trade, I would say no.

Jones as a top 10 RB? Not unless a few others get injured, that way his stats in comparison would match those of the upper tier RB's that missed some games. Jones is a Mediocre RB. Pennington and Owens will get a lot of points.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:27 PM

I'm having a hard time coming to a definative conclusion. I guess that would mean allow it.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:32 PM

Points are basic 6 pt TD (4 for QB), 1 for 25 yards QB, 1 for 10 RB/RC.

Double TD points if RB catches TD or QB or WR runs in a TD is the only non-standard thing.

Roster Pre-Trade

Team A
Pennington
Delhomme
Carr

Marshall Faulk
E.George
Bettis
A.Smith

Owens
Fitzgerald
Muhammed
Engram
R.Caldwell

Team B
Warner
Garcia

T.Henry
Tomlinson
Rashard Lee
Thomas Jones

Mason
Key. Johnson
Kennison
McCairens
Cedrick Wilson

Danny · 09-29-2004, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd

Jones as a top 10 RB? Not unless a few others get injured, that way his stats in comparison would match those of the upper tier RB's that missed some games. Jones is a Mediocre RB. Pennington and Owens will get a lot of points.

I will try and remember to bump this when the season is over and Jones is in the top 10. This is not last season.

Danny · 09-29-2004, 01:33 PM

Trade is 100% fine. The guy will gain more points from starting Jones over George then he will lose going down to Mason and Delhomme.

Danny · 09-29-2004, 01:35 PM

Dola, the trade is a sweet deal for team #2, but he should not be penalized for making a smart trade.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

Trade is 100% fine. The guy will gain more points from starting Jones over George then he will lose going down to Mason and Delhomme.

Yeah but Pennington and Owens will surely outscore Delhomme and Mason by more than Jones outscores George wouldn't they?

Danny · 09-29-2004, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Yeah but Pennington and Owens will surely outscore Delhomme and Mason by more than Jones outscores George wouldn't they?

I dont think so. George is terrible. Jones will likely outscore George by say 10 points a game. Owens will be good for 15 a game and Mason 10. Pennington should outscore Delhomme by a few a game, around 3 would be my guess.

gottimd · 09-29-2004, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Yeah but Pennington and Owens will surely outscore Delhomme and Mason by more than Jones outscores George wouldn't they?

yes, especially when Jones runs into the better Run Defenses in the league down the line. He has gotten off to a good start, but he won't finish with the best of them.

Danny · 09-29-2004, 01:45 PM

Jones wont keep his current ranking of having scored the most fantasy points for any running back, but he is going to have a very good season statistically.

SegRat · 09-29-2004, 01:45 PM

I think the trade is fair. I wouldnt question that trade in my league.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 01:58 PM

What if I told you that the guy giving up Owens backed out of

Owens and George

for

D.Foster, S.Davis and Stallworth

at the last second after it was all but agreed upon.

And the two people ultimately making the deal in question are brothers.

Danny · 09-29-2004, 02:07 PM

Is there any history or reason to believe there is collusion going on?

Huckleberry · 09-29-2004, 02:09 PM

How will Grossman's injury affect Jones' production?

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

Is there any history or reason to believe there is collusion going on?

None other than it's a nine year old league where Team B joined 2 years ago. Team A, his brother, is new this season. Both teams are currently 1-2 and in the same division of a 12 team/2 division league.

rkmsuf · 09-29-2004, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

How will Grossman's injury affect Jones' production?

Negatively I would guess.

Danny · 09-29-2004, 02:10 PM

I guess it depends on good you think Grossman was. I dont think he was very good, so I dont see a whole lot of difference.

Samdari · 09-29-2004, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

Looks fine to me. That will end up a lot more even then you might think. Especially when Thomas Jones finishes the year rated in the top 10 for RB's.

Yeah, he is the #1 RB right now, no?

Danny · 09-29-2004, 02:36 PM

He's really #2 since Martin has scored less points due to the bye week, but has a greater average.

Samdari · 09-29-2004, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

I guess it depends on good you think Grossman was. I dont think he was very good, so I dont see a whole lot of difference.

They are going from "below average" to "below Kyle Boller"

QuikSand · 09-29-2004, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

None other than it's a nine year old league...

Ahhh... a league full of nine year olds. That makes much more sense of this now.

Seriously -- I think there would have to be a much more imbalanced deal than this for a commish to step in. RBs are always a hot commodity at this point when knuckleheads realize they don't have them -- dealing away very solid players at other positions is not unusual. I like the deal a lot for the guy trading away Jones, but I definitely wouldn't step in on it.

Maple Leafs · 09-29-2004, 03:58 PM

Nothing at all wrong with the deal... one team is desperately short of decent RBs, recognizes the problem, and is (slightly) over-paying to address it. Nothing to see here. Move on.

jamesUMD · 09-29-2004, 04:45 PM

if I read right you said that they are brothers, I can't see 1 brother tanking this early for the other. Everybody values players differently, and Jones honestly looks like a different RB so I wouldn't stop the deal. In my league there have been plenty of deals that look lopsided when they are done but have ended up lopsided in the opposite direction when looked at following the end of the season.

gottimd · 12-01-2004, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

I will try and remember to bump this when the season is over and Jones is in the top 10. This is not last season.

I remembered to bump it....

sovereignstar · 12-01-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd

I remembered to bump it....

The season is over. Who made the playoffs?

gottimd · 12-01-2004, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

The season is over. Who made the playoffs?

Far enough over to see that Jones isn't one of the elite RB's in the league.

Desnudo · 12-01-2004, 04:00 PM

Who's Jones?

sovereignstar · 12-01-2004, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd

Far enough over to see that Jones isn't one of the elite RB's in the league.

I'm only defending the quote that you used and not the shitty runningback.

rkmsuf · 12-02-2004, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

The season is over. Who made the playoffs?

I game remaining...all hinges on this weeks action.

09-29-2004, 01:20 PM	#3
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I meant not allow it to go through between two other teams. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-29-2004, 01:23 PM	#5
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	pretty standard league. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-29-2004, 01:27 PM	#7
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	Yeah, I would need to see the scoring system. Also, the teams in question, their rosters, if the trade satisfys the needs of both teams, then possibly yes, but just looking at that trade, I would say no. Jones as a top 10 RB? Not unless a few others get injured, that way his stats in comparison would match those of the upper tier RB's that missed some games. Jones is a Mediocre RB. Pennington and Owens will get a lot of points. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

09-29-2004, 01:27 PM	#8
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I'm having a hard time coming to a definative conclusion. I guess that would mean allow it. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-29-2004, 01:32 PM	#9
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Points are basic 6 pt TD (4 for QB), 1 for 25 yards QB, 1 for 10 RB/RC. Double TD points if RB catches TD or QB or WR runs in a TD is the only non-standard thing. Roster Pre-Trade Team A Pennington Delhomme Carr Marshall Faulk E.George Bettis A.Smith Owens Fitzgerald Muhammed Engram R.Caldwell Team B Warner Garcia T.Henry Tomlinson Rashard Lee Thomas Jones Mason Key. Johnson Kennison McCairens Cedrick Wilson __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales Last edited by rkmsuf : 09-29-2004 at 01:33 PM.

09-29-2004, 01:19 PM	#2
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	If you are the one who has Pennington and Owens, I would not accept that trade. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

09-29-2004, 01:21 PM	#4
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	that seems like a joke- unless your league has a strange point system that doesnt reward very good performance highly.

09-29-2004, 01:24 PM	#6
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Looks fine to me. That will end up a lot more even then you might think. Especially when Thomas Jones finishes the year rated in the top 10 for RB's.

09-29-2004, 01:33 PM	#11
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Trade is 100% fine. The guy will gain more points from starting Jones over George then he will lose going down to Mason and Delhomme.

09-29-2004, 01:35 PM	#12
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Dola, the trade is a sweet deal for team #2, but he should not be penalized for making a smart trade.

09-29-2004, 01:45 PM	#16
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Jones wont keep his current ranking of having scored the most fantasy points for any running back, but he is going to have a very good season statistically.

09-29-2004, 01:45 PM	#17
SegRat High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Oshkosh, WI	I think the trade is fair. I wouldnt question that trade in my league. __________________ USFL: Charlotte Fightn' Squirrels

09-29-2004, 01:58 PM	#18
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	What if I told you that the guy giving up Owens backed out of Owens and George for D.Foster, S.Davis and Stallworth at the last second after it was all but agreed upon. And the two people ultimately making the deal in question are brothers. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

09-29-2004, 02:07 PM	#19
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Is there any history or reason to believe there is collusion going on?

09-29-2004, 02:09 PM	#20
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	How will Grossman's injury affect Jones' production? __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

09-29-2004, 02:10 PM	#23
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I guess it depends on good you think Grossman was. I dont think he was very good, so I dont see a whole lot of difference.

09-29-2004, 02:36 PM	#25
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	He's really #2 since Martin has scored less points due to the bye week, but has a greater average.

09-29-2004, 03:58 PM	#28
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Nothing at all wrong with the deal... one team is desperately short of decent RBs, recognizes the problem, and is (slightly) over-paying to address it. Nothing to see here. Move on. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

09-29-2004, 04:45 PM	#29
jamesUMD High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD	if I read right you said that they are brothers, I can't see 1 brother tanking this early for the other. Everybody values players differently, and Jones honestly looks like a different RB so I wouldn't stop the deal. In my league there have been plenty of deals that look lopsided when they are done but have ended up lopsided in the opposite direction when looked at following the end of the season. __________________ HailtotheRedskins!

12-01-2004, 04:00 PM	#33
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Who's Jones?

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