Walker to Hawks

Tex Schramm · 08-03-2004, 10:06 AM

Antoine Walker to Atlanta for Jason Terry and change...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1851245

Just what the Mavs need, another off guard (and he is more of an off guard than a point guard).

rkmsuf · 08-03-2004, 10:10 AM

Atlantians must be thrilled.

Joe · 08-03-2004, 10:17 AM

Just when you thought Atlanta couldn't possibly get any worse... they do this.

rkmsuf · 08-03-2004, 10:18 AM

what will they draw next year? 1,500 a night?

Fritz · 08-03-2004, 10:21 AM

A trade post from Tex Schramm made me think Dallas managed to move Herschel again.

kurtism · 08-03-2004, 10:22 AM

unless i am mistaken, walker is in the last year of his deal - this is nothing more than a salary dump

VPI97 · 08-03-2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Atlantians must be thrilled.

I think this is a great trade for the Hawks. As much as people rail on Antoine Walker, Alan Henderson is twice the drain on a team. Jason Terry is nothing more than a career backup, so Walker can give us a contract year performance this season and huge cap relief next season. It's probably the best trade they've made in 10 years.

rkmsuf · 08-03-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

I think this is a great trade for the Hawks. As much as people rail on Antoine Walker, Alan Henderson is twice the drain on a team. Jason Terry is nothing more than a career backup, so Walker can give us a contract year performance this season and huge cap relief next season. It's probably the best trade they've made in 10 years.

See, I knew they would be thrilled.

stevew · 08-03-2004, 11:04 AM

All of the "Salary Dump" trades get pretty freaking old after awhile in the NBA. I guess Walker and change isnt going to the Nets for Kidd.......seems like Cuban has some sort of brain.

rkmsuf · 08-03-2004, 11:06 AM

They are no lock for even 15 wins next year.

Buzzbee · 08-03-2004, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

Just when you thought Atlanta couldn't possibly get any worse... they do this.

Sorry to disappoint, but this was a good move. Alan Henderson is the biggest waste of skin to play in the NBA. The Hawks just removed the Henderson albatross from their necks. Next year, when the free agent market is considerably better than this year, the Hawks will at least have the manueverablility to go after big-time free agents. Whether they will land them, and whether they will over-pay for them remains to be seen.

Also, there is still the possibility the Hawks will land Dampier. Add that peice and the Hawks aren't horribly bad. Just mostly bad.

Lastly, NO ONE expects the Hawks to turn things around in a year. This gives them the foundation to build a team over the next 2-3 years.

rkmsuf · 08-03-2004, 12:19 PM

I'm guessing it takes much longer than 2-3 years.

stevew · 08-03-2004, 12:22 PM

At some point the Hawks just need to give up. Im not sure why they drafted 5 SF types in the NBA draft this year. Didnt make a whole lot of sense. Especially when they have several other swingmen types on their roster.

Buzzbee · 08-03-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

At some point the Hawks just need to give up. Im not sure why they drafted 5 SF types in the NBA draft this year. Didnt make a whole lot of sense. Especially when they have several other swingmen types on their roster.

Yeah, that was a head-scratcher for me as well.

CentralMassHokie · 08-03-2004, 12:46 PM

The Hawks aren't going to be very good this season, but they could be fun to watch.

There's no PG to speak of (they'll have to make another move - I'll talk to Danny Ainge about him sending you Atlantans Chucky Atkins), but they could start 3 players at the 2-3-4 who all offer distinct advantages of size or speed at those positions.

With either Childress or JSmith at SG, Harrington at SF, and Walker at PF, the Hawks can likely create some favorable matchups, especially if Harrington or Childress post up smaller defenders and let Walker play point-forward.

Collier looks to be the center, which isn't much, but in the East, probably isn't a black hole.

The team goes 2 deep on the bench though. Diaw and either Smith or Childress. That's pretty much it.

They're not going to win a whole lot of games, but they could be a fun team to watch.

Buzzbee · 08-03-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CentralMassHokie

The Hawks aren't going to be very good this season, but they could be fun to watch.

There's no PG to speak of (they'll have to make another move - I'll talk to Danny Ainge about him sending you Atlantans Chucky Atkins), but they could start 3 players at the 2-3-4 who all offer distinct advantages of size or speed at those positions.

With either Childress or JSmith at SG, Harrington at SF, and Walker at PF, the Hawks can likely create some favorable matchups, especially if Harrington or Childress post up smaller defenders and let Walker play point-forward.

Collier looks to be the center, which isn't much, but in the East, probably isn't a black hole.

The team goes 2 deep on the bench though. Diaw and either Smith or Childress. That's pretty much it.

They're not going to win a whole lot of games, but they could be a fun team to watch.

Early reports from summer ball are that Smith has impressed, while Childress has not.

rkmsuf · 08-03-2004, 01:00 PM

This could be the most Hawks talk we'll see all year.

Buzzbee · 08-03-2004, 01:03 PM

Yeah, the idea of college football and pro football just around the corner, and the Hawks making the front of the sports section is...well, totally foreign.

CentralMassHokie · 08-03-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Early reports from summer ball are that Smith has impressed, while Childress has not.

I take summer ball results with a huge grain of salt. A salt lick even.

The summer leagues are fun, but for what ever reason, they seem to show little to know correllation with NBA ability.

Ask Kedrick Brown.

stevew · 08-03-2004, 01:22 PM

Smith looks like an attitude problem.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-03-2004, 09:45 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1851245

ESPN is now reporting this deal will be:
Walker & Tony Delk to Atlanta
Terry, Henderson & a 1st round pick from Atlanta via Philadelphia to Dallas

Q: How the heck do the Hawks get to trade a pick to Dallas that they've already traded to Philly (in the Glenn Robinson deal last year)?

stevew · 08-03-2004, 10:03 PM

Actually that pick went to Atlanta in the Glen Robinson trade, not vice versa. So the Hawks are transferring the pick that they currently possess.

FBPro · 08-03-2004, 11:02 PM

Who are the Hawks again?

Tex Schramm · 08-03-2004, 11:31 PM

The Mavs said they were going to go after frontcourt help this offseason...so they got rid of Antawn Jamison and Walker, and added three guards (Stackhouse, Devin Harris, Jason Terry). Makes perfect sense to me.

But I still think it's a great trade for Dallas, because they got great value in return for Walker (a fine young player in Terry, an expiring contract, and a first-round pick). Word is that Terry might not be in Dallas too long - and I think he's a very tradeable asset.

But it's disturbing how overloaded the Mavs are now at guard. They're being managed like they're a fantasy team. When will they learn that small ball doesn't work?

stevew · 08-03-2004, 11:37 PM

I think the Mavs acquisition of Christian Laettner will be key

cincyreds · 08-04-2004, 03:28 PM

As a long time Mavs fan, I am glad to see Walker go.

I like the 1st rd pick also. But something tells me that Cuban is gaining value for a BIG time trade coming soon.

We'll see.

albionmoonlight · 08-04-2004, 03:43 PM

Hasn't Atlanta been dumping salary for, like, 3 years now? When do they get to stop?

Buzzbee · 08-04-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Hasn't Atlanta been dumping salary for, like, 3 years now? When do they get to stop?

When they stop acquiring new, dead salary to replace it (Jon Kontract...umm..Koncak, Allen Henderson, Isaiah Rider, Glen Robinson, etc.)

Tex Schramm · 08-05-2004, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cincyreds

As a long time Mavs fan, I am glad to see Walker go.

I like the 1st rd pick also. But something tells me that Cuban is gaining value for a BIG time trade coming soon.

We'll see.

You may be right about that. They've gathered up an awful lot of expiring contracts and players that don't really fit in there. That 60-day moratorium on moving acquired players might be enough time for the Mavs to see whether Jason Kidd's knee is healthy enough.

But I think they're trying to do two things at once. They're bringing in pieces they need to make a big trade, but at the same time all those moves have to be good for the team because there's no guarantee a deal will get done. I think that might have happened with Shaq...

08-03-2004, 10:10 AM	#2
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Atlantians must be thrilled. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-03-2004, 10:18 AM	#4
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	what will they draw next year? 1,500 a night? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-03-2004, 10:21 AM	#5
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	A trade post from Tex Schramm made me think Dallas managed to move Herschel again. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

08-03-2004, 11:06 AM	#10
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	They are no lock for even 15 wins next year. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-03-2004, 12:19 PM	#12
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I'm guessing it takes much longer than 2-3 years. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-03-2004, 10:17 AM	#3
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Just when you thought Atlanta couldn't possibly get any worse... they do this.

08-03-2004, 10:22 AM	#6
kurtism High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Noblesville	unless i am mistaken, walker is in the last year of his deal - this is nothing more than a salary dump

08-03-2004, 11:04 AM	#9
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	All of the "Salary Dump" trades get pretty freaking old after awhile in the NBA. I guess Walker and change isnt going to the Nets for Kidd.......seems like Cuban has some sort of brain.

08-03-2004, 12:22 PM	#13
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	At some point the Hawks just need to give up. Im not sure why they drafted 5 SF types in the NBA draft this year. Didnt make a whole lot of sense. Especially when they have several other swingmen types on their roster.

08-03-2004, 12:46 PM	#15
CentralMassHokie High School JV Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Massachusetts	The Hawks aren't going to be very good this season, but they could be fun to watch. There's no PG to speak of (they'll have to make another move - I'll talk to Danny Ainge about him sending you Atlantans Chucky Atkins), but they could start 3 players at the 2-3-4 who all offer distinct advantages of size or speed at those positions. With either Childress or JSmith at SG, Harrington at SF, and Walker at PF, the Hawks can likely create some favorable matchups, especially if Harrington or Childress post up smaller defenders and let Walker play point-forward. Collier looks to be the center, which isn't much, but in the East, probably isn't a black hole. The team goes 2 deep on the bench though. Diaw and either Smith or Childress. That's pretty much it. They're not going to win a whole lot of games, but they could be a fun team to watch.

08-03-2004, 01:00 PM	#17
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	This could be the most Hawks talk we'll see all year. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-03-2004, 01:03 PM	#18
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Yeah, the idea of college football and pro football just around the corner, and the Hawks making the front of the sports section is...well, totally foreign. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

08-03-2004, 01:22 PM	#20
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Smith looks like an attitude problem.

08-03-2004, 09:45 PM	#21
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1851245 ESPN is now reporting this deal will be: Walker & Tony Delk to Atlanta Terry, Henderson & a 1st round pick from Atlanta via Philadelphia to Dallas Q: How the heck do the Hawks get to trade a pick to Dallas that they've already traded to Philly (in the Glenn Robinson deal last year)? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-03-2004, 10:03 PM	#22
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Actually that pick went to Atlanta in the Glen Robinson trade, not vice versa. So the Hawks are transferring the pick that they currently possess. Last edited by stevew : 08-03-2004 at 10:03 PM.

08-03-2004, 11:02 PM	#23
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Who are the Hawks again? __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

08-03-2004, 11:31 PM	#24
Tex Schramm n00b Join Date: Aug 2003	The Mavs said they were going to go after frontcourt help this offseason...so they got rid of Antawn Jamison and Walker, and added three guards (Stackhouse, Devin Harris, Jason Terry). Makes perfect sense to me. But I still think it's a great trade for Dallas, because they got great value in return for Walker (a fine young player in Terry, an expiring contract, and a first-round pick). Word is that Terry might not be in Dallas too long - and I think he's a very tradeable asset. But it's disturbing how overloaded the Mavs are now at guard. They're being managed like they're a fantasy team. When will they learn that small ball doesn't work?

08-03-2004, 11:37 PM	#25
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I think the Mavs acquisition of Christian Laettner will be key

08-04-2004, 03:28 PM	#26
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	As a long time Mavs fan, I am glad to see Walker go. I like the 1st rd pick also. But something tells me that Cuban is gaining value for a BIG time trade coming soon. We'll see. __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again.

08-04-2004, 03:43 PM	#27
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Hasn't Atlanta been dumping salary for, like, 3 years now? When do they get to stop?

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