BREAKING NEWS: Sniper sentenced to death

Ben E Lou · 03-09-2004, 11:04 AM

Sniper Muhammad sentenced to death

Convicted sniper John Allen Muhammad was today sentenced to death for killing Dean Harold Meyers -- one of 10 people shot to death during the October 2002 sniper shootings.

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JonInMiddleGA · 03-09-2004, 11:14 AM

Y'know, justice would be served even better if they didn't let him know when the needle was coming, just let the bastard sit & wonder whether his number was up each day.

stevew · 03-09-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Y'know, justice would be served even better if they didn't let him know when the needle was coming, just let the bastard sit & wonder whether his number was up each day.

Exactly.....he could be reading in the yard, then POWWWWW.

Buzzbee · 03-09-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Y'know, justice would be served even better if they didn't let him know when the needle was coming, just let the bastard sit & wonder whether his number was up each day.

Needle? Who says they should use a needle? I say they should unleash a pack of angry, starving pit bulls.

MrBug708 · 03-09-2004, 11:37 AM

Let him lose, in Maryland. I'm sure the victims families have a few things to share with him

BigJohn&TheLions · 03-09-2004, 11:45 AM

An eye for an eye... Firing squad! The needle is the loser way to do it (wipe with alcohol first...

Dutch · 03-09-2004, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Y'know, justice would be served even better if they didn't let him know when the needle was coming, just let the bastard sit & wonder whether his number was up each day.

Justice would be served if they provided low quality capital punishment to all scumbags like this and put all money's saved towards college scholoarships towards the victims family or other kids in more need of our tax dollars.

stevew · 03-09-2004, 11:50 AM

The silly thing is that they will let him wait probably 2-4 years to get his punishment. I wish the cops would have just bumrushed his car, guns-a-blazing. That way we could have all saved money, and that little fuck who was shooting people with him would have died too.

BigJohn&TheLions · 03-09-2004, 11:51 AM

Would this be a bad time to bring up the disproportionate number of black men on death row?

stevew · 03-09-2004, 12:01 PM

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Would this be a bad time to bring up the disproportionate number of black men on death row?

Yep. This guy is a classic death penalty guy. This is why you have the death penalty.

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 12:03 PM

Death for death doesn't make sense to me. I never get it, I suppose.

rkmsuf · 03-09-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Death for death doesn't make sense to me. I never get it, I suppose.

Yeah it's kind of odd. Life in a real deal prison would seem like a far worse penalty...

Even forcing him to watch Beaches 3 times a day for the rest of his life would suffice...

Subby · 03-09-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Let him lose, in Maryland. I'm sure the victims families have a few things to share with him

Just because he is a cold-blooded killer doesn't mean the victims' families are...

Buzzbee · 03-09-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Death for death doesn't make sense to me. I never get it, I suppose.

Some would argue that using the death penalty can be a deterrent for people to commit crimes. If they know they might get the death penalty, then they might think twice about whatever it is they might do to warrant the death penalty. So, using these convicted murderers as an example is some peoples justification. Also, it costs less to fry someone than it does to keep them in jail for the rest of their lives.

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Noble_Platypus · 03-09-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Death for death doesn't make sense to me. I never get it, I suppose.

I wonder if you would still have a peacenik attitude like that if he had blown away someone you knew. Fuck it, kill him and the little bastard that was the triggerman

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 12:08 PM

Call me what you will, but if someone killed a member of my family, having them killed would not make me feel better, nor would it make my family member any less dead.

rkmsuf · 03-09-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Some would argue that using the death penalty can be a deterrent for people to commit crimes. If they know they might get the death penalty, then they might think twice about whatever it is they might do to warrant the death penalty. So, using these convicted murderers as an example is some peoples justification. Also, it costs less to fry someone than it does to keep them in jail for the rest of their lives.

NOTE: The views expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of this station or its management.

A lifetime of anal invasion may make some folk think twice also...

Subby · 03-09-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Noble_Platypus

I wonder if you would still have a peacenik attitude like that if he had blown away someone you knew. Fuck it, kill him and the little bastard that was the triggerman

How is that a peacenik attitude? Killing him won't bring any of those folks back to life...

Buzzbee · 03-09-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

A lifetime of anal invasion may make some folk think twice also...

Yeah, they might decide they like it.

rkmsuf · 03-09-2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Yeah, they might decide they like it.

True; I should stick with the continous screening of Beaches. No one could like that...

Ryche · 03-09-2004, 12:12 PM

Actually, with all the appeals that are generally granted in death penalty cases, it usually ends up costing more to execute someone.

That said, this guy is a textbook case of proper use of the death penalty to me.

BigJohn&TheLions · 03-09-2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

A lifetime of anal invasion may make some folk think twice also...

Some people might commit crimes for this... What do you think he and the kid were doing after the shootings? Playing yahtzee?

I'm not so big on the death penalty, but this is a case where it is warrented. I'm a much bigger fan of prison justice (aka Jeffrey Dalmer)

Buzzbee · 03-09-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryche

Actually, with all the appeals that are generally granted in death penalty cases, it usually ends up costing more to execute someone.

That said, this guy is a textbook case of proper use of the death penalty to me.

Just curious, is the appeals process different for death penalty cases as opposed to life in prison cases? Seems like it would end up being a wash or perhaps slightly more costly for death penalty cases (since there might be a proclivity to accept appeals more often or to take them higher up the chain).

Fritz · 03-09-2004, 12:26 PM

He would have been better off being tried in NoVa.

wig · 03-09-2004, 12:30 PM

I don't want the death penalty, I just want his death.

Franklinnoble · 03-09-2004, 12:38 PM

I like the gas chamber concept... but instead of strapping the convicts down, just let them run around the room choking, screaming, crying, and banging on the walls.

JeeberD · 03-09-2004, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Death for death doesn't make sense to me. I never get it, I suppose.

You can no longer call yourself a Texan. Time to move to Oklahoma, Sach...

Franklinnoble · 03-09-2004, 01:16 PM

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You can no longer call yourself a Texan. Time to move to Oklahoma, Sach...

That's like telling a fraternity to start having Old Milwaukee at their keg parties instead of Natty light...

mckerney · 03-09-2004, 01:55 PM

And the sniper who's killed more than twice as many in Ohio: still back page news.

Noble_Platypus · 03-09-2004, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

And the sniper who's killed more than twice as many in Ohio: still back page news.

Wouldnt be on the back page if they started picking off people around the Capitol like Muhammad and Malvo. Then it would warrent a task force and some media coverage.

Samdari · 03-09-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

And the sniper who's killed more than twice as many in Ohio: still back page news.

From a February 16 cnn article:

"Using ballistics and other means, authorities in Ohio have linked 23 previous shootings on or near the southwest corridor of Interstate 270, which circles Columbus. Gail Knisley, 62, was killed November 25 when a bullet pierced her car window as she rode on 270. No other injuries have been reported. "

Sounds like this guy has only killed one person, while being involved in more shootings.

rkmsuf · 03-09-2004, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

From a February 16 cnn article:

"Using ballistics and other means, authorities in Ohio have linked 23 previous shootings on or near the southwest corridor of Interstate 270, which circles Columbus. Gail Knisley, 62, was killed November 25 when a bullet pierced her car window as she rode on 270. No other injuries have been reported. "

Sounds like this guy has only killed one person, while being involved in more shootings.

I guess it's ok if he only wounded or just missed the other 23...

Castlerock · 03-09-2004, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

And the sniper who's killed more than twice as many in Ohio: still back page news.

There's a sniper in Ohio who has killed 20 (+) people? Do you mean this guy?

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Authorities in Ohio have linked 23 previous shootings on or near the southwest corridor of Interstate 270, which circles Columbus. Gail Knisley, 62, was killed November 25 when a bullet pierced her car window as she rode on 270. No other injuries have been reported.

rkmsuf · 03-09-2004, 02:20 PM

Nobody wants to waste time going after a lousy sniper...what he's 1-24?

Samdari · 03-09-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I guess it's ok if he only wounded the other 23...

I guess you missed the "no other injuries have been reported" part of the article

He clearly needs to be punished (I will leave the appropriate punishment to those others debating here) for his one murder and 23 attempted murders. I just don't think the level of terror that guy has created can compare to people frequently dying at random places in a huge area, at random intervals, and that the reason for that terror is not because CNN has decided not to cover it.

John Galt · 03-09-2004, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Just curious, is the appeals process different for death penalty cases as opposed to life in prison cases? Seems like it would end up being a wash or perhaps slightly more costly for death penalty cases (since there might be a proclivity to accept appeals more often or to take them higher up the chain).

The appeals process is very different. And while the Anti-terrorism and Death Penalty Act greatly expedited executions, generally speaking, executing a defendant is still net more expensive than life in prison. However, the cost is much closer than it used to be.

rkmsuf · 03-09-2004, 02:21 PM

yeah I went back after I reread it and corrected my error...

sabotai · 03-09-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Call me what you will, but if someone killed a member of my family, having them killed would not make me feel better, nor would it make my family member any less dead.

It would mean s/he wouldn't be able to kill again...

I think the death penalty is overused, but in cases like these (ie, "mass" murders), I fully support it. This isn't "death for death". This is 1 death for 10. Makes complete sense to me.

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

It would mean s/he wouldn't be able to kill again...

I think the death penalty is overused, but in cases like these (ie, "mass" murders), I fully support it. This isn't "death for death". This is 1 death for 10. Makes complete sense to me.

I see that side of it, although it could be argued that he can't really kill again if he is in prison for the rest of his life.

wig · 03-09-2004, 03:33 PM

Cut off all his fingers.

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 03:37 PM

He could use his teeth, Wig. Did you learn that in the Corps?

Buzzbee · 03-09-2004, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John Galt

The appeals process is very different. And while the Anti-terrorism and Death Penalty Act greatly expedited executions, generally speaking, executing a defendant is still net more expensive than life in prison. However, the cost is much closer than it used to be.

Thanks for the response John.

wig · 03-09-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

He could use his teeth, Wig. Did you learn that in the Corps?

ok. knock all his teeth out and take away all his spoons.

That should limit his options.

sabotai · 03-09-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

I see that side of it, although it could be argued that he can't really kill again if he is in prison for the rest of his life.

Make sure you let me know when they create an escape proof prison. Then I'll be on your side.

(But then again, he could kill while in prison as well.)

BigJohn&TheLions · 03-09-2004, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

(But then again, he could kill while in prison as well.)

Since when can you get chevy's and sniper rifles i the joint?

sabotai · 03-09-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Since when can you get chevy's and sniper rifles i the joint?

You'd be surprised at the things people can smuggle up their ass into jail.

Hurst2112 · 03-09-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

You'd be surprised at the things people can smuggle up their ass into jail.

Fish (trout) fries every Friday with the anal imports to prison.

I would rather see this guy go down in prison ala Dahmer than be executed "humainly".

I don't agree with the death penalty, but I say yes to some crazed lifer taking a broom handle to the guy's head (a bunch) to rid us of him.

Talk about double standards!

tucker342 · 03-09-2004, 07:00 PM

Unless the person is REALLY fucked up, a much worse punishment is making them live with themselves... for a lot of murderers, death is a way to escape their conscience. Of course if the murderer has APD than that whole theory goes out the window... Even then, I still say killing someone as pay back is never the answer

JeffNights · 03-09-2004, 07:27 PM

Hey just FYI....The sniper in OHIO, has killed the one woman...all the rest of the "highway shootings" have been hitting the cars of the people, not the actual people themselves....i live in SE michigan and this gets a lot of media attention. just thought i'd clear that up.

Dutch · 03-09-2004, 08:38 PM

A man murders another man.

Do you

A.) Think $250,000 dollars should go to keeping this man behind bars for 20 years till he dies of lung cancer or shanking while fighting for another pack of smokes?

B.) Think all money's saved by the federal, state, and local governments should somehow go towards college scholarship funds for victim's relatives and/or government funded awareness programs on the consequences of killing other people and/or something other than giving the $250,000 dollars to the murderer?

The argument that capital punishment doesn't bring that person back is true, but it's not the main argument. I think we waste money keeping these worthless beings in jail.

I think Capital Punishment is under-developed as a national program towards saving more lives and saving more money. Capital Punishment, if used across the board, is a deterrent. Currently, it is a crap-shoot, as to who will be sentenced to death, and who won't, and therefore not a deterent at all. Enforce a strict rule and people will be forced to use common sense when dealing with their day to day problems. Murder won't be one of the ways they deal with those problems.

03-09-2004, 11:45 AM	#6
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	An eye for an eye... Firing squad! The needle is the loser way to do it (wipe with alcohol first... __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

03-09-2004, 11:51 AM	#9
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	Would this be a bad time to bring up the disproportionate number of black men on death row? __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

03-09-2004, 12:12 PM	#21
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	Actually, with all the appeals that are generally granted in death penalty cases, it usually ends up costing more to execute someone. That said, this guy is a textbook case of proper use of the death penalty to me. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

03-09-2004, 12:26 PM	#24
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	He would have been better off being tried in NoVa. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

03-09-2004, 02:20 PM	#34
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Nobody wants to waste time going after a lousy sniper...what he's 1-24? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-09-2004, 11:14 AM	#2
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Y'know, justice would be served even better if they didn't let him know when the needle was coming, just let the bastard sit & wonder whether his number was up each day.

03-09-2004, 11:37 AM	#5
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Let him lose, in Maryland. I'm sure the victims families have a few things to share with him

03-09-2004, 11:50 AM	#8
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The silly thing is that they will let him wait probably 2-4 years to get his punishment. I wish the cops would have just bumrushed his car, guns-a-blazing. That way we could have all saved money, and that little fuck who was shooting people with him would have died too.

03-09-2004, 12:03 PM	#11
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Death for death doesn't make sense to me. I never get it, I suppose.

03-09-2004, 12:08 PM	#16
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Call me what you will, but if someone killed a member of my family, having them killed would not make me feel better, nor would it make my family member any less dead.

03-09-2004, 12:30 PM	#25
wig Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	I don't want the death penalty, I just want his death.

03-09-2004, 12:38 PM	#26
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I like the gas chamber concept... but instead of strapping the convicts down, just let them run around the room choking, screaming, crying, and banging on the walls.

03-09-2004, 01:55 PM	#29
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	And the sniper who's killed more than twice as many in Ohio: still back page news.

03-09-2004, 02:21 PM	#37
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	yeah I went back after I reread it and corrected my error... __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-09-2004, 03:33 PM	#40
wig Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	Cut off all his fingers.

03-09-2004, 03:37 PM	#41
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	He could use his teeth, Wig. Did you learn that in the Corps?

03-09-2004, 07:00 PM	#48
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Unless the person is REALLY fucked up, a much worse punishment is making them live with themselves... for a lot of murderers, death is a way to escape their conscience. Of course if the murderer has APD than that whole theory goes out the window... Even then, I still say killing someone as pay back is never the answer

03-09-2004, 07:27 PM	#49
JeffNights College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan	Hey just FYI....The sniper in OHIO, has killed the one woman...all the rest of the "highway shootings" have been hitting the cars of the people, not the actual people themselves....i live in SE michigan and this gets a lot of media attention. just thought i'd clear that up.

03-09-2004, 08:38 PM	#50
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	A man murders another man. Do you A.) Think $250,000 dollars should go to keeping this man behind bars for 20 years till he dies of lung cancer or shanking while fighting for another pack of smokes? B.) Think all money's saved by the federal, state, and local governments should somehow go towards college scholarship funds for victim's relatives and/or government funded awareness programs on the consequences of killing other people and/or something other than giving the $250,000 dollars to the murderer? The argument that capital punishment doesn't bring that person back is true, but it's not the main argument. I think we waste money keeping these worthless beings in jail. I think Capital Punishment is under-developed as a national program towards saving more lives and saving more money. Capital Punishment, if used across the board, is a deterrent. Currently, it is a crap-shoot, as to who will be sentenced to death, and who won't, and therefore not a deterent at all. Enforce a strict rule and people will be forced to use common sense when dealing with their day to day problems. Murder won't be one of the ways they deal with those problems. Last edited by Dutch : 03-09-2004 at 08:44 PM.

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