Let me get this straight...

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 04:26 PM

Not to cause trouble or anything, but just because this first league to form, "the Legends", has all these bigwig FOFCers in it, they get their OWN forum on the board for it? I was hoping that forum would become a place for ALL FOF leagues to post info. Seems kind of outside the realms of a community board to have such a limited use forum on it.

RPI-Fan · 10-22-2003, 04:27 PM

SkyDog has said he'd set up a forum (or let them use that one) for any leagues that wanted one...

korme · 10-22-2003, 04:28 PM

i tend to agree

korme · 10-22-2003, 04:28 PM

Then make a new category, don't sit it in with the rest of FOFC if you are going to make more than one forum for it.

McSweeny · 10-22-2003, 04:28 PM

yaaaaaaaaaaaawn

Daimyo · 10-22-2003, 04:29 PM

Don't click on it.

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 04:29 PM

Yeah, but the name right now is "Legends of FOFC" Multiplayer League. It was something more generic earlier. I'd really like to see it back to the generic. I know its not my board, and I don't necessarily speak for the majority maybe, but it seems real limiting right now.

Ben E Lou · 10-22-2003, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
SkyDog has said he'd set up a forum (or let them use that one) for any leagues that wanted one...

Yup. So far we haven't had any slowdowns whatsoever since we switched over to vbulletin. Addding a small handful of other forums shouldn't be a big deal.

RPI-Fan · 10-22-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tasan
Yeah, but the name right now is "Legends of FOFC" Multiplayer League. It was something more generic earlier. I'd really like to see it back to the generic. I know its not my board, and I don't necessarily speak for the majority maybe, but it seems real limiting right now.

If they feel they need to title it that, let them. They get to call themselves legends, and we can laugh at them for calling themselves legends, at the same time.

Everybody wins.

Franklinnoble · 10-22-2003, 04:34 PM

Want some cheese with that whine?

I'm not in it, and I don't give a rat's ass. I'm not joining a league for a game that's not even out yet. For all I know, FOF4 Multiplayer could suck donkey balls.

Anyhow, it's no big deal. There will be lots of leagues. Chances are, I'll end up in one with a bunch of fellow wiseasses, and end up competing to draft players with the most lewd nicknames.

Marmel · 10-22-2003, 04:35 PM

I think they are going to find out you need a number of forums to run a league and keep everything properly organized.

I think the forum should be used as a place to discuss online leagues, offer openings and for people looking for a league.

Again, it is not my forum, and not my decision, but a league will not survive with one tiny forum on a public board. You really need your own webspace, a front page, and serpeate forums for transactions, discussion, etc....

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 04:35 PM

Hehhehheh...I have no problem with the name "Legends", its just that the forum got renamed to that. They can call themselves whatever they want. And heck, if Skydog wants to put up forums to everyone else, then this is a non-issue. I think its an issue if they just have that one, limit it to their use only, and keep it named that if it IS open to everyone.

TroyF · 10-22-2003, 04:37 PM

Why is this such a big issue? Start a league and call yourselves "The True Legends of FOFC"

TroyF

Franklinnoble · 10-22-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Yup. So far we haven't had any slowdowns whatsoever since we switched over to vbulletin. Addding a small handful of other forums shouldn't be a big deal.

Can I start a "League of Infamy" forum for myself and the rest of my ilk?

The_herd · 10-22-2003, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Can I start a "League of Infamy" forum for myself and the rest of my ilk?

You have ilk?

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 04:39 PM

ARGH. I have no problem with them being called Legends!!! I do have a problem if there is a private league forum on this public board, and provisions aren't made for others. However, Skydog has said that isn't the case.

Bee · 10-22-2003, 04:40 PM

I think the name should be "THE BEE and some other guys FOF LEAGUE"

Ben E Lou · 10-22-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tasan
ARGH. I have no problem with them being called Legends!!! I do have a problem if there is a private league forum on this public board, and provisions aren't made for others. However, Skydog has said that isn't the case.

Well, technically this whole thing is a private forum....

Abe Sargent · 10-22-2003, 04:43 PM

What about the Losers of FOFC? Or the Lurkers of FOFC?

-Anxiety

VPI97 · 10-22-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anxiety
What about the Losers of FOFC?

I'd join that one.

Daimyo · 10-22-2003, 04:47 PM

I'd say we should just make it hidden, but I imagine there is value to the community in having it open to everyone. Might end up being like one big collective dynasty... maybe even convince a couple extra newbies to purchase the game or a regular or two to try out multiplayer. *shurg*

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Well, technically this whole thing is a private forum....

Point taken. I didn't want to use public/private, because thats not really what I'm trying to say, but words are failing me right now. Trust me, I do not want to get into a stupid argument over this, especially with you SD

What I'm trying to say I guess is, that if there is a forum dedicated to just one league, it tends to show some people, I'd think newbies here, that there is a select crowd that runs things and if you're not in it, then bah to you. Thats not what I think about the guys in the league, as I've been reading this board since its inception and posting for several years, but with a more general "FOF Mutliplay Leagues" forum, you might inspire more participation over a broader audience.

Edited for the following idea:

In the dynasty forum, we have a sub forum for the dynasty posts. Why can't we have a Multiplay league forum, then a sub forum for each league, and a set way to get Skydog or another mod to add the sub forums?

digamma · 10-22-2003, 05:05 PM

You know, had I not read this thread, I probably never would have noticed that the new forum had been created...

I guess I should get mad now...

Abe Sargent · 10-22-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digamma
You know, had I not read this thread, I probably never would have noticed that the new forum had been created...

I guess I should get mad now...

RRRAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!

Anxiety will TRASH! Anxiety will CRUSH! Anxiety will MAUL!!!

-Anxiety is DONE

Maple Leafs · 10-22-2003, 05:19 PM

From a quick look at the new forum, my guess is that the "legends" title was meant to be playfully ironic, and some of the league memebers have badly missed the joke.

mckerney · 10-22-2003, 06:11 PM

I object to any league with mckerney in it being refered to as "legends"

JeeberD · 10-22-2003, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tasan

In the dynasty forum, we have a sub forum for the dynasty posts. Why can't we have a Multiplay league forum, then a sub forum for each league, and a set way to get Skydog or another mod to add the sub forums?

I really like this idea. I'm not sure how easy it is to implement though...

Eaglesfan27 · 10-22-2003, 06:21 PM

I've seen the people post their complaints about the legends league, and I think it is because they are disappointed that they aren't in it; plain and simple. I'm disappointed as well, because there are a lot of people in the league whom I've come to like from this board, and I'm pretty sure I would enjoy being in a league with them. However, I realize we can't all be in it and I see no reason for the complaining about this fact. Everyone just needs to do their best to find a league to join that they will enjoy. Just my 2 cents.

JeeberD · 10-22-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eaglesfan27
I've seen the people post their complaints about the legends league, and I think it because they are disappointed they aren't in it; plain and simple. I'm disappointed as well, because there are a lot of people in the league whom I've come to like from this board and I'm pretty sure I would enjoy being in a league with them. However, I realize we can't all be in it and I see no reason for the complaining about this fact. Everyone just needs to do their best to find a league to join that they will enjoy. Just my 2 cents.

Very well said...

Senator · 10-22-2003, 06:22 PM

I've got a good mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it!

Ryan S · 10-22-2003, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Yup. So far we haven't had any slowdowns whatsoever since we switched over to vbulletin. Addding a small handful of other forums shouldn't be a big deal.

To be honest with you, if we were to add another 40 forums we might not notice a difference. The problems with the old board were almost all down to the software, and the way the board accessed forum information.

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty
Then make a new category, don't sit it in with the rest of FOFC if you are going to make more than one forum for it.

I will sort that out within the next few days.

Blackadar · 10-22-2003, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
From a quick look at the new forum, my guess is that the "legends" title was meant to be playfully ironic, and some of the league memebers have badly missed the joke.

MrBug708 · 10-22-2003, 07:22 PM

Let them have that forum. It's kinda like the Hattrick forum. Only a certain breed posts there anyways

Raiders Army · 10-22-2003, 09:06 PM

Hey, is this the FOF clique thread? Wasn't this pounded into the ground less than a week ago?

For all of you who aren't in the Legends league, deal with it; it's obvious that the clique that isn't here is back...duh

Buccaneer · 10-22-2003, 09:09 PM

See Hattrick.

korme · 10-22-2003, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marmel
I think they are going to find out you need a number of forums to run a league and keep everything properly organized.

I think the forum should be used as a place to discuss online leagues, offer openings and for people looking for a league.

Again, it is not my forum, and not my decision, but a league will not survive with one tiny forum on a public board. You really need your own webspace, a front page, and serpeate forums for transactions, discussion, etc....

couldnt be said better. just look at the jbl or rwbl (baseball but still). we have 15+ forums

John Galt · 10-22-2003, 10:39 PM

This is just another case of elite power structure at FOFC deploying their dominant, racist, heterosexist ideology in the form of exclusive hierarchal forum creation. It is a paradigmatic struggle between the voiceless and FOFC ruling class arising from systemic imbalances under the tyrannical reign of the Skydog. Until the underlying conditions and premises of "legend" creation are critiqued and reconceptualized through a post-structuralist lens, the oppressed will not have access to the essential elements of FOF2K4 enjoyment. Down with the "Legends!"

heybrad · 10-22-2003, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Galt
This is just another case of elite power structure at FOFC deploying their dominant, racist, heterosexist ideology in the form of exclusive hierarchal forum creation. It is a paradigmatic struggle between the voiceless and FOFC ruling class arising from systemic imbalances under the tyrannical reign of the Skydog. Until the underlying conditions and premises of "legend" creation are critiqued and reconceptualized through a post-structuralist lens, the oppressed will not have access to the essential elements of FOF2K4 enjoyment. Down with the "Legends!"

Yea!!!! What he said.

JeeberD · 10-22-2003, 10:43 PM

Where are the torches and pitchforks?!?

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 10:49 PM

I'll bring the torches if you bring the pitchforks!

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 10:50 PM

I like me.

YOU CANT TAKE AWAY MY SELF-LIKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STK · 10-22-2003, 10:51 PM

elitist fucks.

JeeberD · 10-22-2003, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
YOU CANT TAKE AWAY MY SELF-LICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, that's a talent that I'm sure Fritz would pay to have...

HornedFrog Purple · 10-22-2003, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JeeberD
Wow, that's a talent that I would pay Fritz to have...

Sicko.

I feel dirty.

kcchief19 · 10-22-2003, 11:05 PM

Well, the only reason I would have a problem with it is if the moderators turn down ANYONE who wants a forum for their league, since that has been established as the rule. I think it's a poor decision because we could easily have 400 forums or you could have someone ask for a forum that you don't want have one -- Bragadociossssss could ask for a Knights of KKK League Forum and you wouldn't really have any reason to turn them down.

What I find fascinating about the whole public/private forum debate is that no one has every really seemed to realize that while this is a private forum owned by GameSpy. If anybody has any beefs with this anything that happens here, they should take it up with GameSpy. The moderators serve at the pleasure of GameSpy. It's their forum -- not yours, not mine, not Ben's, not Ryan's.

Personally, if I were forming a league I would pop for a couple of bucks to setup a site at any number of cheap places. Of course, in the MP world, chances are that at least 1 of 32 guys have access to server space. There's not really any reason to be a beggar.

I also wouldn't join a league called "The Legends" of anything, if for no other reason than, to borrow a phrase that seems popular here, it sounds "faggoty." But that's just me.

JeeberD · 10-22-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Sicko.

I feel dirty.

If you lick yourself properly you actually get quite clean...

GrantDawg · 10-22-2003, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kcchief19
Well, the only reason I would have a problem with it is if the moderators turn down ANYONE who wants a forum for their league, since that has been established as the rule. I think it's a poor decision because we could easily have 400 forums or you could have someone ask for a forum that you don't want have one -- Bragadociossssss could ask for a Knights of KKK League Forum and you wouldn't really have any reason to turn them down.

That bull. "Anyone" could not because it is still at the discretion of the mods. They are allowing other leagues, but they would still be under the mods and the rules of the board.

And by the way, Gamespy does not own this forum, it owns the server this forum is on. If the mods want to change servers tomorrow, they can.

MrBug708 · 10-22-2003, 11:34 PM

I think we'll need a forum for people looking for FOF leagues right?

Tasan · 10-22-2003, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
I think we'll need a forum for people looking for FOF leagues right?

I'd certainly rather have that then the General Discussions getting filled up with "NEW LEAGUE!!!" all the time. Plus, it would be real easy for new members to find exactly where all the multi league info is.

pjstp20 · 10-23-2003, 02:17 AM

I wouldn't have noticed the forum had it not been for this thread. If people want to create a league and call themselves legends, fine, if that's what makes them feel good and important, why burst anyones bubble?

However I think any other leagues should get equal consideration. Really the mods can do whatever they want, but that seems like a fair solution.

I'm speaking from an objective standpoint because I have absolutly no interest in multiplayer, and I'm an unknown.

10-22-2003, 04:27 PM	#2
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	SkyDog has said he'd set up a forum (or let them use that one) for any leagues that wanted one... __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

10-22-2003, 04:29 PM	#7
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	Yeah, but the name right now is "Legends of FOFC" Multiplayer League. It was something more generic earlier. I'd really like to see it back to the generic. I know its not my board, and I don't necessarily speak for the majority maybe, but it seems real limiting right now. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

10-22-2003, 04:35 PM	#11
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	I think they are going to find out you need a number of forums to run a league and keep everything properly organized. I think the forum should be used as a place to discuss online leagues, offer openings and for people looking for a league. Again, it is not my forum, and not my decision, but a league will not survive with one tiny forum on a public board. You really need your own webspace, a front page, and serpeate forums for transactions, discussion, etc.... __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

10-22-2003, 04:35 PM	#12
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	Hehhehheh...I have no problem with the name "Legends", its just that the forum got renamed to that. They can call themselves whatever they want. And heck, if Skydog wants to put up forums to everyone else, then this is a non-issue. I think its an issue if they just have that one, limit it to their use only, and keep it named that if it IS open to everyone. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

10-22-2003, 04:39 PM	#16
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	ARGH. I have no problem with them being called Legends!!! I do have a problem if there is a private league forum on this public board, and provisions aren't made for others. However, Skydog has said that isn't the case. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

10-22-2003, 04:28 PM	#3
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	i tend to agree

10-22-2003, 04:28 PM	#5
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	yaaaaaaaaaaaawn

10-22-2003, 04:29 PM	#6
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Don't click on it.

10-22-2003, 04:34 PM	#10
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Want some cheese with that whine? I'm not in it, and I don't give a rat's ass. I'm not joining a league for a game that's not even out yet. For all I know, FOF4 Multiplayer could suck donkey balls. Anyhow, it's no big deal. There will be lots of leagues. Chances are, I'll end up in one with a bunch of fellow wiseasses, and end up competing to draft players with the most lewd nicknames.

10-22-2003, 04:37 PM	#13
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Why is this such a big issue? Start a league and call yourselves "The True Legends of FOFC" TroyF

10-22-2003, 04:40 PM	#17
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I think the name should be "THE BEE and some other guys FOF LEAGUE"

10-22-2003, 04:43 PM	#19
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	What about the Losers of FOFC? Or the Lurkers of FOFC? -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-22-2003, 04:47 PM	#21
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I'd say we should just make it hidden, but I imagine there is value to the community in having it open to everyone. Might end up being like one big collective dynasty... maybe even convince a couple extra newbies to purchase the game or a regular or two to try out multiplayer. shurg

10-22-2003, 05:05 PM	#23
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	You know, had I not read this thread, I probably never would have noticed that the new forum had been created... I guess I should get mad now...

10-22-2003, 05:19 PM	#25
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	From a quick look at the new forum, my guess is that the "legends" title was meant to be playfully ironic, and some of the league memebers have badly missed the joke.

10-22-2003, 06:11 PM	#26
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I object to any league with mckerney in it being refered to as "legends"

10-22-2003, 06:21 PM	#28
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I've seen the people post their complaints about the legends league, and I think it is because they are disappointed that they aren't in it; plain and simple. I'm disappointed as well, because there are a lot of people in the league whom I've come to like from this board, and I'm pretty sure I would enjoy being in a league with them. However, I realize we can't all be in it and I see no reason for the complaining about this fact. Everyone just needs to do their best to find a league to join that they will enjoy. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 10-22-2003 at 06:26 PM.

10-22-2003, 06:22 PM	#30
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	I've got a good mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it! __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

10-22-2003, 07:22 PM	#33
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Let them have that forum. It's kinda like the Hattrick forum. Only a certain breed posts there anyways

10-22-2003, 09:06 PM	#34
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Hey, is this the FOF clique thread? Wasn't this pounded into the ground less than a week ago? For all of you who aren't in the Legends league, deal with it; it's obvious that the clique that isn't here is back...duh

10-22-2003, 09:09 PM	#35
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	See Hattrick.

10-22-2003, 10:39 PM	#37
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	This is just another case of elite power structure at FOFC deploying their dominant, racist, heterosexist ideology in the form of exclusive hierarchal forum creation. It is a paradigmatic struggle between the voiceless and FOFC ruling class arising from systemic imbalances under the tyrannical reign of the Skydog. Until the underlying conditions and premises of "legend" creation are critiqued and reconceptualized through a post-structuralist lens, the oppressed will not have access to the essential elements of FOF2K4 enjoyment. Down with the "Legends!" __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude Last edited by John Galt : 10-22-2003 at 10:40 PM.

10-22-2003, 10:43 PM	#39
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Where are the torches and pitchforks?!? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

10-22-2003, 10:49 PM	#40
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	I'll bring the torches if you bring the pitchforks! __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

10-22-2003, 10:50 PM	#41
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	I like me. YOU CANT TAKE AWAY MY SELF-LIKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

10-22-2003, 10:51 PM	#42
STK H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tucson, AZ	elitist fucks.

10-22-2003, 11:05 PM	#45
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Well, the only reason I would have a problem with it is if the moderators turn down ANYONE who wants a forum for their league, since that has been established as the rule. I think it's a poor decision because we could easily have 400 forums or you could have someone ask for a forum that you don't want have one -- Bragadociossssss could ask for a Knights of KKK League Forum and you wouldn't really have any reason to turn them down. What I find fascinating about the whole public/private forum debate is that no one has every really seemed to realize that while this is a private forum owned by GameSpy. If anybody has any beefs with this anything that happens here, they should take it up with GameSpy. The moderators serve at the pleasure of GameSpy. It's their forum -- not yours, not mine, not Ben's, not Ryan's. Personally, if I were forming a league I would pop for a couple of bucks to setup a site at any number of cheap places. Of course, in the MP world, chances are that at least 1 of 32 guys have access to server space. There's not really any reason to be a beggar. I also wouldn't join a league called "The Legends" of anything, if for no other reason than, to borrow a phrase that seems popular here, it sounds "faggoty." But that's just me.

10-22-2003, 11:34 PM	#48
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think we'll need a forum for people looking for FOF leagues right?

10-23-2003, 02:17 AM	#50
pjstp20 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL	I wouldn't have noticed the forum had it not been for this thread. If people want to create a league and call themselves legends, fine, if that's what makes them feel good and important, why burst anyones bubble? However I think any other leagues should get equal consideration. Really the mods can do whatever they want, but that seems like a fair solution. I'm speaking from an objective standpoint because I have absolutly no interest in multiplayer, and I'm an unknown.

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