OT - Just had to vent

EagleFan · 07-12-2003, 08:00 PM

Sorry, no real need to read. I just had to vent this somewhere as I am getting more and more pissed with every email.

What is the deal about internet leagues that eopple just can;t get that it's only a freaking game? Some of you know I run a couple online leagues. One is a baseball league and I have a relatively new owner who has suddenly brought in his 'friends' or people that point to him through some message boards. He's now had 2 questionsbale trades, big time questionable trades that I am not accepting (example: best pitcher in the league, who is only 22, and the team's entire draft for 3 average, at best, players). He always follows them up with immediate emails concernecd about the trades not going through, a usual sign of guilt.

Add that each trade email that I get from the other teams involved all look like they werre just forwarded to an email account and then sent to me.

I try to run a good clean league and have a great core group of solid and honest owners. There is no way that I can let someone with such a void in their life, that cheating to win at a free internet game makes them feel big, ruin what I am trying to build.

The problem is that it keeps getting so damn frustrating that it makes me want to say the hell with it at times.

Sorry for the venting, just had to get that off my shoulders. I feel much better now.

Blackadar · 07-12-2003, 08:05 PM

Something you and I can agree on, Eagle.

I quit playing Links online because I've run into a number of folks who would rather quit than lose. I won't play NWN or DS online because of the cheaters. Same with UO. It's funny how gaming mags discount games that don't have Multiplayer, but it's never even considered with me. Too much hassle.

Axxon · 07-12-2003, 08:09 PM

Man, having to choose between commenting on two topics and actually getting some work done sucks.

I was going to say, Blackadar, knock it off but now you've already posted so the joke is ruined. At least the crazies are out in force tonight here in Greenville so work is keeping me amused.

RPI-Fan · 07-12-2003, 08:24 PM

Does the guy work for Dell?

illinifan999 · 07-12-2003, 08:31 PM

That's too bad Eaglefan. It seems that OOTP has been having some trouble with people ruining leagues for them as well. Best thing to do, is warn, then kick him out of the league. The one on-line game I play a lot is Americas Army. Unfortunatly, the cheating is getting very bad, and people like to exploit the bugs. So it's pretty much a one warning, then you're kicked policy. It's worked pretty well, some people call our bluff, and they are kicked. Hope you can get this sorted out.

tucker342 · 07-12-2003, 09:19 PM

That's what frustrates me so much about playing in online leagues. What's the point of cheating?

Silver Owl · 07-12-2003, 09:50 PM

Had the exact same problem in a basketball league. Someone had 3 teams and traded all of the best players onto 1 team.
The only thing the commissioner could do was ban the 3 teams from making anymore moves. The only positive was that I beat him in the championship round and that was his only loss after making the trades. He had the nerve to post messages asking why he couldn't make more moves.

Anrhydeddu · 07-12-2003, 10:13 PM

I just spent some time catching up at the .400 online leagues forum and this issue makes me sick as well. Not only with Andy's stalker but the whole business with that mfitterer a-hole http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...5&pagenumber=1

Sometimes I really hate the internet.

illinifan999 · 07-12-2003, 10:23 PM

Not only what Anrysdfakljlsfd pointed out, but here's a few more threads that might get your blodd moving.

The Beginnning of It

The asshole

Sad thing was this was the guy who ran the vNCAA for TDCB which I heard was abandoned by him.

Anrhydeddu · 07-12-2003, 10:43 PM

illini, your first link was what I meant to post but copied the wrong one. Thanks, that thread was the most sickening I've read since anything by HM. The second link was good too. Now I guess someone needs to link the Car Wash thread to make it complete. Now wonder Andy S. made a comment about what a week it had been. That was truly an understatement.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-12-2003, 11:15 PM

Eaglefan, I don't think I've ever been a part of any online league for any game that didn't have this sort of thing happen. And usually sooner rather than later.

I like the notion of multi-player to an extent, but I've never found a group that didn't have some "personality problems" that were worth putting up with over the long haul.
X amount of people are assholes regardless of the arena, online leagues draw at the very least their fair share.

In short, I feel your pain but I don't really have much in the way of solutions to offer. Hopefully venting at least helped some.

Jon

Schmidty · 07-12-2003, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
I like the notion of multi-player to an extent, but I've never found a group that didn't have some "personality problems" that were worth putting up with over the long haul.
X amount of people are assholes regardless of the arena, online leagues draw at the very least their fair share.

We haven't had any real problems or conflicts in the JBL since HM was kicked and devaneyfan left. The same thing can be said for the RWBL. I've made some great friends because of those two leagues.

Online leagues can be a very rewarding experience if you have a group of owners who are actually friends.

EagleFan · 07-13-2003, 12:06 AM

I agree with Schmidty, but I guess I would have to since I'm involved in several leagues.

There is a great opportunity to get to know people and make friends with people that you never would have met in the outside world. Unfortunately there is the other part that sometimes is enough to make you want to just give up the idea all-together.

Once I get a good night's sleep on it, I'll be fine with the league and dealing out the warnings. This guy is hanging on a thread now. I've only had to veto 3 trades in the 3 seasons of the league, 2 were within the past few weeks and they were both his and he was the benefactor of both of them, quite lopsided.

Swaggs · 07-13-2003, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Schmidty
We haven't had any real problems or conflicts in the JBL since HM was kicked and devaneyfan left. The same thing can be said for the RWBL. I've made some great friends because of those two leagues.

Online leagues can be a very rewarding experience if you have a group of owners who are actually friends.

Well, that's because you're the asshole now.

Schmidty · 07-13-2003, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Swaggs
Well, that's because you're the asshole now.

Now?

panerd · 07-13-2003, 12:18 AM

Can't top my one friend, who I sometimes don't like to refer to as a friend. He is the type of guy who wants to go to Yahoo Spades and play over the phone. Anyways he tried to run a trade in our fantasy baseball league: Pujols & Randy Johnson for Kip Wells and Hee Soup Choi. He claimed that he was out so he was building for the future. After a few beers he admitted the other owner offered to split the pot. Suffice the say that league is in disarray. Is there really that much pride (or money) in fantasy leagues to warrent cheating like this? If somebody called me and offered me money to throw a league, I would ask them what their fucking problem was!

07-12-2003, 08:09 PM	#3
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Man, having to choose between commenting on two topics and actually getting some work done sucks. I was going to say, Blackadar, knock it off but now you've already posted so the joke is ruined. At least the crazies are out in force tonight here in Greenville so work is keeping me amused. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

07-12-2003, 08:24 PM	#4
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Does the guy work for Dell? __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

07-12-2003, 08:31 PM	#5
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	That's too bad Eaglefan. It seems that OOTP has been having some trouble with people ruining leagues for them as well. Best thing to do, is warn, then kick him out of the league. The one on-line game I play a lot is Americas Army. Unfortunatly, the cheating is getting very bad, and people like to exploit the bugs. So it's pretty much a one warning, then you're kicked policy. It's worked pretty well, some people call our bluff, and they are kicked. Hope you can get this sorted out. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-12-2003, 10:13 PM	#8
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	I just spent some time catching up at the .400 online leagues forum and this issue makes me sick as well. Not only with Andy's stalker but the whole business with that mfitterer a-hole http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...5&pagenumber=1 Sometimes I really hate the internet. Last edited by Anrhydeddu : 07-12-2003 at 10:14 PM.

07-12-2003, 10:23 PM	#9
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Not only what Anrysdfakljlsfd pointed out, but here's a few more threads that might get your blodd moving. The Beginnning of It The asshole Sad thing was this was the guy who ran the vNCAA for TDCB which I heard was abandoned by him. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-12-2003, 08:05 PM	#2
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Something you and I can agree on, Eagle. I quit playing Links online because I've run into a number of folks who would rather quit than lose. I won't play NWN or DS online because of the cheaters. Same with UO. It's funny how gaming mags discount games that don't have Multiplayer, but it's never even considered with me. Too much hassle.

07-12-2003, 09:19 PM	#6
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	That's what frustrates me so much about playing in online leagues. What's the point of cheating?

07-12-2003, 09:50 PM	#7
Silver Owl High School JV Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Akron, OH	Had the exact same problem in a basketball league. Someone had 3 teams and traded all of the best players onto 1 team. The only thing the commissioner could do was ban the 3 teams from making anymore moves. The only positive was that I beat him in the championship round and that was his only loss after making the trades. He had the nerve to post messages asking why he couldn't make more moves.

07-12-2003, 10:43 PM	#10
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	illini, your first link was what I meant to post but copied the wrong one. Thanks, that thread was the most sickening I've read since anything by HM. The second link was good too. Now I guess someone needs to link the Car Wash thread to make it complete. Now wonder Andy S. made a comment about what a week it had been. That was truly an understatement.

07-12-2003, 11:15 PM	#11
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Eaglefan, I don't think I've ever been a part of any online league for any game that didn't have this sort of thing happen. And usually sooner rather than later. I like the notion of multi-player to an extent, but I've never found a group that didn't have some "personality problems" that were worth putting up with over the long haul. X amount of people are assholes regardless of the arena, online leagues draw at the very least their fair share. In short, I feel your pain but I don't really have much in the way of solutions to offer. Hopefully venting at least helped some. Jon __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

07-13-2003, 12:06 AM	#13
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I agree with Schmidty, but I guess I would have to since I'm involved in several leagues. There is a great opportunity to get to know people and make friends with people that you never would have met in the outside world. Unfortunately there is the other part that sometimes is enough to make you want to just give up the idea all-together. Once I get a good night's sleep on it, I'll be fine with the league and dealing out the warnings. This guy is hanging on a thread now. I've only had to veto 3 trades in the 3 seasons of the league, 2 were within the past few weeks and they were both his and he was the benefactor of both of them, quite lopsided. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

07-13-2003, 12:18 AM	#16
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	Can't top my one friend, who I sometimes don't like to refer to as a friend. He is the type of guy who wants to go to Yahoo Spades and play over the phone. Anyways he tried to run a trade in our fantasy baseball league: Pujols & Randy Johnson for Kip Wells and Hee Soup Choi. He claimed that he was out so he was building for the future. After a few beers he admitted the other owner offered to split the pot. Suffice the say that league is in disarray. Is there really that much pride (or money) in fantasy leagues to warrent cheating like this? If somebody called me and offered me money to throw a league, I would ask them what their fucking problem was!

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