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Kurt Warner retires
Yep sad day in Cardinals land, Kurt Warner retires. His news conference starts any moment for any who want to watch.
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01-29-2010, 02:02 PM | #2 |
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And unlike Brett Favre, he'll probably STAY retired.
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01-29-2010, 02:03 PM | #3 |
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Good player, better person.
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01-29-2010, 02:04 PM | #4 |
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A pretty spectacular career overall. I'm sure he could still play another year or two, but why? He really took a pounding over the course of his career and he's got nothing left to prove.
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01-29-2010, 02:09 PM | #5 |
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01-29-2010, 02:12 PM | #6 |
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have to admit again that I was wrong two seasons ago when I thought it was stupid the Cards chose Warner to start over Leinart. Can't imagine they would have made the Super Bowl last season and the playoffs this year without him. He had his really bad games during those two years of which I thought there would be a lot more, but man when he was on, he was practically unbeatable. Thanks for a couple magicial seasons Kurt from a long suffering Cardinals fan.
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01-29-2010, 02:15 PM | #8 |
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One of the best sports stories, EVER. Enjoy retirement, Kurt. You've earned it.
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+1 Even after all his success in St. Louis I always thought he was more a product of the system, until he started lighting things up in Arizona. I hope he has a good retirement. |
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01-29-2010, 02:18 PM | #10 |
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Classy guy. Game needs more folks like him.
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01-29-2010, 02:22 PM | #11 |
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GJ Kurt!
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01-29-2010, 02:22 PM | #12 |
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Even as a Niner fan I can appreciate how good and classy Warner was, and still is. While I can't see he will be missed (), I will say that I feel lucky to have seen him play. One of the greatest playoff/big game QB's ever IMO.
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01-29-2010, 02:40 PM | #13 |
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Like the guy but am amazed ad the HOF push he's already getting. I'll never think of him as a HOF quarterback. Put up some amazing numbers at time, got pooped on in the middle, and then put up some more amazing numbers. Just can't see that being HOF worthy.
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01-29-2010, 02:49 PM | #14 |
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I don't see him as a HOF QB either due to lack of longetivity. However, I'll second what has already been said. Very good player, better person. I hope he enjoys his retirement.
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01-29-2010, 02:52 PM | #15 |
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While injuries didn't do him in, I think the Gail Sayers argument is appropriate here. He was dominant for what, six seasons? I think that should be enough to get him in the HOF, but I am not going to say it's a travesty if he wasn't inducted.
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01-29-2010, 02:53 PM | #16 | |
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I think it depends on your personal HOF criteria. Do you value a long, alright career? Or a few awesome seasons? I think Warner is one of the best sports stories ever (as someone mentioned above), going from supermarket worker to potential HOFer is nuts. Also, I started getting into fantasy football the year Trent Green was injured. Warner was unbelievable. |
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01-29-2010, 03:05 PM | #17 |
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Despite what he did the Packers a couple weeks back, I've always respected the guy and his talent. Great player and a great story too. I think he is definitely a hall-of-famer.
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01-29-2010, 03:14 PM | #18 |
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I remember all the years I kept defending the guy saying he wasn't a product of the system in St. Louis. Whatever happens with the HOF, I'm glad he got a chance to stick it to all of the people who thought he sucked by having these last couple of seasons with the Cardinals.
As for the HOF debate: 5 pro bowls, 2 MVP's, 3 Super Bowls, 1 win in a Super Bowl. 9-4 playoff record: 31 TD-14 INT in those games. 261 yards per game (2nd all time) 7.9 yards per pass attempt 208 TD vs. 128 INT Career too short? Possibly, but the numbers he put up were/are stunning for that period of time. There are certainly worse players than him in the HOF. I could go either way on this one. In my mind, HOF or not, he's one of the best QB's I've ever seen. I'll treasure the fact I've gotten to see Warner, Manning (the best of this bunch), Brady and Favre live. |
01-29-2010, 03:22 PM | #19 |
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You know, we all thought in 1999 that Mike Martz was a genius that made a good QB (Warner) look like a great QB.
We now know that Warner was a great QB who made Mike Martz look like a genius. Funny to think that when he first started, his main claim to fame was that his name sounded like Curt Warner. He's come a long way. And I have no doubt that, unlike Favre and others, he will stay retired. He has some things (his faith, his family) to fill the void that football will leave. It is sad, but a lot of these great athletes don't have that, and we end up seeing so many of them trying to hang on well past the "hang it up" stage. |
01-29-2010, 03:22 PM | #20 | |
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I disagree. I think he is a lock for the hall. Here are some accomplishments.
He also was NFL MVP twice Super Bowl MVP One Super Bowl title and is two plays away from three titles (which would put him in the rare air of Montana, Brady, Aikman) Also, I think he is one of the best pure passers I have ever seen. Throws an excellent ball. Took two historically horrible teams to Super Bowls The guy was in the NFL for 11 years, passed for 32,344 yards, 66.5% completion, 208 TDs (128 int) career rating 93.7. He has higher career passer rating than JOE MONTANA (92.3). And this is over an 11 YEAR career!! Compare to Troy Aikman 12 year career. 32,942 yds, 61.5% comp, 165 TD (141 int), career rating 81.6, 3 super bowl titles, 1 super bowl MVP I get it that he played in a pass happy era, I get it that he had a few down years with the Giants (which makes his numbers more impressive), but for a total body of work, very few quarterbacks come close to both stats and winning like Warner. Good guy, good teammate, winner, hell of a quarterback. This guy is not a borderline hall of famer, he is a FIRST BALLOT hall of fame player without question. Last edited by kenparker23 : 01-29-2010 at 08:01 PM. |
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01-29-2010, 03:30 PM | #21 |
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Okay, I was going to let "shoe-in" slide, but first ballad? You're making it really hard to suppress the grammar nazi in me..
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01-29-2010, 03:31 PM | #22 |
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First Ballad? They'll sing songs to him?
Sorry, I had to...
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01-29-2010, 03:31 PM | #23 |
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I fully agree with ken. Looking at the numbers objectively, I don't see how an argument can be made.
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01-29-2010, 03:42 PM | #24 |
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Aikman was a scrub.
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01-29-2010, 03:48 PM | #25 |
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Kurt Warner and the Rams were my favorite team when I really started to watch football (as a wee one I watched the woeful Lions and idolized the Barry Sanders, but hardly watched football). Once he was gone the Rams weren't worth watching anymore.
One of my favorite players, I think he picked up an injury to spur his fall with the Rams... I'm glad he made a comeback with the Cards. |
01-29-2010, 03:50 PM | #26 |
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If you're Cleveland, don't you camp out at Warner's home, offer him a blank check and beg him on your hands and knees to QB the Browns? I'd say the same about the Lions, but at least they have a promising young QB. Kurt Warner is the miracle worker for sad-sack franchises.
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01-29-2010, 04:08 PM | #27 |
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Generally, I don't really have favorite players or teams in sports. Kurt Warner is about the closest thing for me in football. The Rams cinderella story during the 1999 season drew me into watching and following the NFL and simultaneously picking up the Amsterdam Admirals (RIP) to root for. Warner's NFL career was like a rollercoaster, almost coming back on top last season. And stepping away just in time to avoid completing the NFL circle of life with a career ending injury after one final sack too many. My hat goes off for Kurt Warner, thank you for not quitting the game until now.
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01-29-2010, 04:08 PM | #28 |
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I will miss his wife.
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01-29-2010, 04:11 PM | #30 | |
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Man that is funny. And to think I put that in ALL CAPS. I deserve the grammar nazi on that one!! I guess I was "singing Warners praises" |
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01-29-2010, 04:12 PM | #31 | |
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He may be mircale for sad-sack franchises, but the Browns hardly have the sort of WR talent that Warner had in St. Louis or Arizona. Yes Warner was a great QB, but he also had the benefit of playing in a pair of offenses that featured some pretty impressive WR groups.
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01-29-2010, 04:17 PM | #32 |
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Now we have to look to the future for the Cards, and the division could be wide open. Leinart is obviously the man at QB right now, but I don't think Coach Whisenhunt has ever been sold on him.
Interestingly enough Sports Illustrated came out with their first mock draft and who do they have the Cards taking in the first round? QB Tim Tebow. While I think it would be a mistake to take him in the first round (they need secondary help badly), Tebow is like Warner reborn personality wise-everybody loves him, strong christian, and a good leader. Sadly I don't think he'll ever be close to Warner in ability. |
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What's with Steve Young? Didn't he retire in 1999?
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01-29-2010, 04:39 PM | #35 |
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One of my favorite players. Sad to see him go, but happy for the memories.
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01-29-2010, 04:43 PM | #36 |
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One of my favorites too.. if only he would have stayed instead of Bulger.
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He has some impressive numbers and that is an impressive list, but except for the 3 years with the Rams, he wasn't in the top 3 in most of the key QB stats in any one year. I know it is in part due to injuries but he had 5 subpar years. He was bad with the Giants in 2004, a year in which he only passed for 2000 yards, 6 TD's and 4 INT's in 10 games. He was subpar in 2005 as well, as he only passed for 11 TD's and 9 INT's for the Cardinals. He had 3 great years, followed by 5 below average years, followed by 3 very good years. That lack of consistency, for any reason, doesn't equal HOF in my opinion. |
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01-29-2010, 05:32 PM | #38 |
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I think the list of QBs with 3 great years and 3 very good years is pretty small and HoF caliber.
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01-29-2010, 05:37 PM | #40 |
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As a Ram fan I love Warner and as an Iowan I get a double bonus.
For the numbers and wins he put up he sure took a lot of shit. I'm glad he got another shot with the Cards and was able to cap off a HOF career. System, recievers, blah, blah, blah. Many others have had those too, Montana anyone? Fact is he had a hell of a quick release, knew where he needed to go with the ball, and was deadly accurate. Enjoy your retirement Kurt, it was a pleasure to watch you play. |
01-29-2010, 06:08 PM | #41 |
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no question hall of famer. at least in my book.
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01-29-2010, 06:09 PM | #42 |
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Even if his actual playing career doesn't make him a HoFer (and I am in the group that thinks he actually has done enough), he belongs in the Hall because of his story and the type of person he is. He's the exact sort of player a Hall of Fame should be aspiring to include, frankly.
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Crap! Loved watching him play and I thought he would play atleast 1 more year. Thanks for the memories Kurt!
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A few things I noticed.
Brett Favre threw 33 this year, so this stat is not accurate, which begs the question how many more are inaccurate. Quote:
Final note is I do agree that he is probably a HOF QB, but not sure about first ballot. He put up a few great seasons, but there were several stinkers in a short career, plus if Favre retires for good maybe they decide to let Favre be the only QB to be selected in the year, like they may do with Rice this year. Last edited by Denial Of Freedom : 01-29-2010 at 07:42 PM. |
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Gale Sayers made the HOF by being spectacular for 5 years and injured for 2.
If Warner put up good stats during those years, I'd say no HOF. But Warner put up great stats for five years, and the sixth was a solid season (middle Ram year). His playoff record is impressive, and you can't deny his good guy image will win him a few extra Hall of Fame votes. Maybe not in his first go, but Warner will make it in eventually. |
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Don't forget that 2nd Ram year he was injured part of the season, and he still put up numbers.
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Thank you for the correction. My list has been updated. I was not trying to compare him to Montana (who I think is the GOAT). In terms of absolute comparison to Montana, there is none. I wanted to demonstrate how impressive Warners numbers are in relation to the benchmark that many consider the best QB ever. While on the 49ers, what about Warner and Steve Young (another first ballot guy) Warner 32,344 yards, 66.5% comp, 208 TDs (128 int) career rating 93.7 Young 33,124 yards, 64.3% comp, 232 TDs (107 int) career rating 96.8 Youngs best years (1992-1998) 67% comp, rating 102 One could argue that Young did not get a chance in his early years and that is why I included 1992-1998. But it illustrates that Warners body of work is comparable to Youngs body of work. Had Young started in the late 80s, these numbers may have been different, but we will never know. Had Warner not injured his thumb with the Giants, he may have posted better numbers. My point is, football is full of "what ifs" with any player. The numbers are what they are. Both players have one super bowl MVP In the postseason: (I think this is a very good comparison) Steve Young (14 games): 275 of 447 (61.5 percent) for 3,118 yards (7.0 YPA), 20 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions. QB rate 86.1 Kurt Warner (13 games): 307-462 (66.5 percent) for 3,952 yards (8.5 YPA), 31 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions. QB rate 102.8 Favre will certainly be on the first ballot; and if he retired this year, Warner should be with him. However, if I had to choose a QB to lead my team in a Super Bowl, I think I would chose Warner over Favre. |
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01-29-2010, 09:22 PM | #49 |
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Wow, lots of guys on FOFC know Warner personally. Good to know he is such a good guy though.
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01-29-2010, 09:29 PM | #50 |
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Not sure how he isn't a HOF guy. This is the football HOF, not the baseball HOF. The voters actually try and find reasons TO vote you into the HOF
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