We have a NBA RIOT in DETROIT! (The 2004 Palace Fight)

[SirFozzie]

You guys watching this shit?

Totally classless Detroit Idiots.

Completely awful

[Blackadar]

Details, please

[DeToxRox]

Ben Wallace and Ron Artest get in each others faces.

Artest sits on scorers table. Not sure what happens but next thing is Artest runs into the crowd after a fan. Jackson and O'Neal run up. Brawl ensues in the crowd.

[DeToxRox]

Then Artest and O'Neal go after fans on the court (idiots for being on the court, I am actually glad they got theres but it was excessive). A Pacer coach or player not in uniform sucker punches someone.

Pacers leave the court, get showered in beer and such (also retarded by the Pistons fans).

I dunno what else.

[sovereignstar]

Nice fans.

[DeToxRox]

I have NO idea why Artest went into the crowd though.

I didn't see anything thrown.

Did anyone else?

[sovereignstar]

Where's the torrent!?!?!

[Noop]

Haha

[Bubba Wheels]

Haven't seen it yet, but if Pacer's went up into the crowd to cause the problem, how is it the classless, idiot Detroiter's (Palace is in the Auburn Hills suburb) fault?

[Radii]

holy shit!

[DeToxRox]

dola: I am assuming for now something was said. if nothing was thrown and only said, Artest is AN IDIOT for running into the crowd. I can see if something was thrown moreso then said because thats life in the NBA (being trashed talked) and he should be able to handle it.

if it was something thrown, i can't say I blame him.

[SirFozzie]

Because the idiot classless fans were throwing things at em to start it.

Or because you are an NBA player, you are a moving target only?

[DeToxRox]

And as a Piston fan I will say: The guys on the court = jackasses. Though it is possible they were on the court because they were in the front and the Pacers charged through their seats. Artest made the first punch on him. But still stupid.

The fans throwing stuff on them as they leave the court, thats just retarded. I can't believe how idiotic they are.

[SackAttack]

I didn't see it, so I won't comment, other than to say that I just want anybody who says they don't blame Artest if something was thrown to consider how they reacted to the Milton Bradley incident, and ask themselves if they're being consistent.

Not directing this at anybody in particular, just saying it now, BEFORE any discussion takes place.

[Bubba Wheels]

I know Artest has been taking a beating in the media for his desire to sit out the first month and 'finish his rap album", maybe the pressure of all that scrutiny got to him.

[DeToxRox]

tirple dola: a cup of beer thrown at artest started it. this was just ugly.

pistons fans were idiots tonight, but so was artest. he went in, but then kept looking for fights. that is as idiotic as the pistons fans for throwing shit.

[dacman]

Artest was hit at point blank range by a cup of beer per Jim Gray.

Lots of Detriot "fans" throwing punches as Artest and later Stephan Jackson went into the stands.

Yeah, Artest is an idiot for going into the stands, but the Detriot "fans" are most significantly to blame.

[DeToxRox]

props to rick mahorn who was doing radio commentary. he actually got up to try and break some of it up. needless to say, he was about the only one.

[GoldenEagle]

Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

tirple dola: a cup of beer thrown at artest started it. this was just ugly.

pistons fans were idiots tonight, but so was artest. he went in, but then kept looking for fights. that is as idiotic as the pistons fans for throwing shit.

Hold on just a fucking second here. Triple dola?

I don't think so. Wasn't even a dola in the first place. Carry on...

[dacman]

The NBA and all sports are going to have to take a serious look at fan behavior and security or I greatly fear a repeat of a Monica Seles type incident or worse before something is done.

I'm not sure what the answer is. Severe and swift criminal prosecution?? No beer?? I don't know, but I hate to think an athlete has to get seriously injured or worse before something is done. This has been brewing for years, especially in the NBA where the fans are so close to the players and have relatively easy access.

I hope severe measures are taken on all sides.

[Bubba Wheels]

Well, so Detroit gets another black eye cause some useless fans took a swing at an enraged (maybe rightfully so) player going up into the stands. But major league baseball players will tell you they get it evey night in Yankee stadium from fans throwing batteries out of the stands at them. Let's keep some perspective.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Hold on just a fucking second here. Triple dola?

I don't think so. Wasn't even a dola in the first place. Carry on...

Haha damn you. I'm trying to provide a blow by blow, don't DOLA police me!

[Blackadar]

So is the game a forfeit?

[Noop]

Stephan Jackson is gone. He was not attacked by any fan and he just busted some fan in the mouth.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.

The NBA - It's FAN-tastic!

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.

SHHHHHHH, I was supposed to be working late at the office

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by dacman

The NBA and all sports are going to have to take a serious look at fan behavior and security or I greatly fear a repeat of a Monica Seles type incident or worse before something is done.

I'm not sure what the answer is. Severe and swift criminal prosecution?? No beer?? I don't know, but I hate to think an athlete has to get seriously injured or worse before something is done. This has been brewing for years, especially in the NBA where the fans are so close to the players and have relatively easy access.

I hope severe measures are taken on all sides.

Prosecution is bound to happen. Plenty of people on both sides on video doing idotic things. ESPN and local coverage tonight. You can bet some charges are going to be filed.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

So is the game a forfeit?

Game was called with 45 seconds left, Pacers had the lead so they won.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Noop

Stephan Jackson is gone. He was not attacked by any fan and he just busted some fan in the mouth.

Yeah, I haven't seen anything to provoke Jackson to hit that guy. I know it's a malay but that guy was sucker punched.

[dacman]

Yeah, Stephan Jackson and Ron Artest are probably looking at 10 games if not more.

[The_herd]

Originally Posted by dacman

Yeah, Stephan Jackson and Ron Artest are probably looking at 10 games if not more.

Plenty of time to promote an album.

[DeToxRox]

the best source so far is local detroit sportscaster bernie smileovich. he was right in the middle of it all getting ready for the post game wrap up. he said artest had a beer thrown at him, and then next thing he knew he seens punches thrown.

[The_herd]

I'm not a big Artest fan, but I can't say I blame him. A lot of people here would probably react the same to a beer being thrown at them. He's going to be suspended, but this wasn't your typical Artest being a jackass.

Stephen Jackson should be gone for a while. 10 games should be the absolute minimum and it should definintely be longer than any suspention Artest gets.

All fans involved should see some serious reprocusions and I'm certain the environment at Pistons games will change. Things like this don't happen without some serious changes to the way things are done.

[Schmidty]

Unbelievable. Ron Artest and Stephen Hunter throwing full-out punches at anyone they saw. I hope they're gone forever.

The people that threw stuff at the beginning are losers and deserve to be arrested, but after that, you have giant men twice the size as everyone in the stands throwing punches at anyone they saw. If I witnessed that, I would have been tempted to throw a cup of soda too (although I would NEVER have done it).

So now I get to hear everyone in Detroit getting insulted because of a few drunk morons and a few insane, fuck-head millionaire jackasses who can't control themselves. Damn it.

[LloydLungs]

If they can determine that Stephen Jackson was unprovoked, I wonder if we may be talking about the whole season for him. That's what Spree got for choking Carlesimo.

As for Artest, given his special circumstances, his punishment should be playing all 48 minutes every night with no breaks ever. Maybe he won't get the whole season since he got a beer tossed on him though.

Awaiting Simmons column on this....

[sovereignstar]

I love the title of this thread.

[Blackadar]

Imagine that. A riot in Detriot. Who'd have thunk it?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Interesting to see Larry Brown's comments, which included a comment that he thought his players should have gone into the crowd to protect Artest & Jackson.

And he's right.

If an arena can cut off beer sales at a Metallica concert at 8:50pm (Metallica didn't appear on stage until nearly 9 pm), then there's no reason the NBA, MLB, et al can't do the same thing.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.

George Costanza was at the game?

[DeToxRox]

Also, had this not even happened, Artest would probably be in some water. Up 15, he doesn't even go after the ball and just basically tries to take out Ben Wallace.

Then Artest sits on the time table and puts on someones headphones and does some Artest Play by Play apparently. Ben Wallace is gone for a few games for throwing a headband or towel at Artest as well I assume.

[SirFozzie]

Comeon, Detox, that wasn't even a particularly hard foul.

Wallace completely overreacted.

[stevew]

I would strongly doubt the players association is gonna let either of them be suspended for 10 games. That is way too harsh. Damn this thread is popular right now.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Also, watching the first Jackson punch (I don't know if there's more that I haven't seen yet) it appears to be thrown at a guy who was heading toward the Artest scrum. If so, I've got no problem with that at all, he's removing what he sees as a threat to a teammate.

[The_herd]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Also, had this not even happened, Artest would probably be in some water. Up 15, he doesn't even go after the ball and just basically tries to take out Ben Wallace.

Then Artest sits on the time table and puts on someones headphones and does some Artest Play by Play apparently. Ben Wallace is gone for a few games for throwing a headband or towel at Artest as well I assume.

I think Ben Wallace is looking at a pretty nice suspention too. Artest gave him a hard foul and Wallace overreacted. Wallace putting his hands in Artests face and shoving him into the scorer's table is what led to the crowd getting involved.

Ugly, ugly situation and I don't think Wallace is getting enough blame for it.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Comeon, Detox, that wasn't even a particularly hard foul.

Wallace completely overreacted.

But up 15, with 45 seconds left. It's uncalled for.

[DeToxRox]

Bah. I forgot to say. Wallace was overracting, I am just saying Artest shouldn't have even done it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Still watching the ESPNews coverage & something Jim Grey said just dawned on me -- Artest was hit with a bottle of beer? Huh? WTF??? Please tell me that there isn't an arena in this country fucking stupid enough to give fans bottles instead of putting the beer in a plastic cup.

[dacman]

No, no -- plastic cup. Not a bottle.

[SackAttack]

Usually what you see is plastic bottles with the cap off so that pressure can't build up inside the bottle.

It's what was thrown at Milton Bradley.

We aren't talkin' glass bottles here, but still hurts more than your average paper cup.