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SirFozzie 11-19-2004 09:50 PM

We have a NBA RIOT in DETROIT! (The 2004 Palace Fight)
 
You guys watching this shit?

Totally classless Detroit Idiots.

Completely awful

Blackadar 11-19-2004 09:51 PM

Details, please

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:52 PM

Ben Wallace and Ron Artest get in each others faces.

Artest sits on scorers table. Not sure what happens but next thing is Artest runs into the crowd after a fan. Jackson and O'Neal run up. Brawl ensues in the crowd.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:53 PM

Then Artest and O'Neal go after fans on the court (idiots for being on the court, I am actually glad they got theres but it was excessive). A Pacer coach or player not in uniform sucker punches someone.

Pacers leave the court, get showered in beer and such (also retarded by the Pistons fans).

I dunno what else.

sovereignstar 11-19-2004 09:53 PM

Nice fans.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:54 PM

I have NO idea why Artest went into the crowd though.

I didn't see anything thrown.

Did anyone else?

sovereignstar 11-19-2004 09:54 PM

Where's the torrent!?!?!

Noop 11-19-2004 09:54 PM

Haha

Bubba Wheels 11-19-2004 09:55 PM

Haven't seen it yet, but if Pacer's went up into the crowd to cause the problem, how is it the classless, idiot Detroiter's (Palace is in the Auburn Hills suburb) fault?

Radii 11-19-2004 09:55 PM

holy shit!

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:55 PM

dola: I am assuming for now something was said. if nothing was thrown and only said, Artest is AN IDIOT for running into the crowd. I can see if something was thrown moreso then said because thats life in the NBA (being trashed talked) and he should be able to handle it.

if it was something thrown, i can't say I blame him.

SirFozzie 11-19-2004 09:56 PM

Because the idiot classless fans were throwing things at em to start it.

Or because you are an NBA player, you are a moving target only?

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:57 PM

And as a Piston fan I will say: The guys on the court = jackasses. Though it is possible they were on the court because they were in the front and the Pacers charged through their seats. Artest made the first punch on him. But still stupid.

The fans throwing stuff on them as they leave the court, thats just retarded. I can't believe how idiotic they are.

SackAttack 11-19-2004 09:57 PM

I didn't see it, so I won't comment, other than to say that I just want anybody who says they don't blame Artest if something was thrown to consider how they reacted to the Milton Bradley incident, and ask themselves if they're being consistent.

Not directing this at anybody in particular, just saying it now, BEFORE any discussion takes place.

Bubba Wheels 11-19-2004 09:57 PM

I know Artest has been taking a beating in the media for his desire to sit out the first month and 'finish his rap album", maybe the pressure of all that scrutiny got to him.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:58 PM

tirple dola: a cup of beer thrown at artest started it. this was just ugly.

pistons fans were idiots tonight, but so was artest. he went in, but then kept looking for fights. that is as idiotic as the pistons fans for throwing shit.

dacman 11-19-2004 09:58 PM

Artest was hit at point blank range by a cup of beer per Jim Gray.

Lots of Detriot "fans" throwing punches as Artest and later Stephan Jackson went into the stands.

Yeah, Artest is an idiot for going into the stands, but the Detriot "fans" are most significantly to blame.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 09:59 PM

props to rick mahorn who was doing radio commentary. he actually got up to try and break some of it up. needless to say, he was about the only one.

GoldenEagle 11-19-2004 10:01 PM

Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.

sovereignstar 11-19-2004 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle
tirple dola: a cup of beer thrown at artest started it. this was just ugly.

pistons fans were idiots tonight, but so was artest. he went in, but then kept looking for fights. that is as idiotic as the pistons fans for throwing shit.


Hold on just a fucking second here. Triple dola?

I don't think so. Wasn't even a dola in the first place. Carry on...

:D

dacman 11-19-2004 10:02 PM

The NBA and all sports are going to have to take a serious look at fan behavior and security or I greatly fear a repeat of a Monica Seles type incident or worse before something is done.

I'm not sure what the answer is. Severe and swift criminal prosecution?? No beer?? I don't know, but I hate to think an athlete has to get seriously injured or worse before something is done. This has been brewing for years, especially in the NBA where the fans are so close to the players and have relatively easy access.

I hope severe measures are taken on all sides.

Bubba Wheels 11-19-2004 10:02 PM

Well, so Detroit gets another black eye cause some useless fans took a swing at an enraged (maybe rightfully so) player going up into the stands. But major league baseball players will tell you they get it evey night in Yankee stadium from fans throwing batteries out of the stands at them. Let's keep some perspective.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar
Hold on just a fucking second here. Triple dola?

I don't think so. Wasn't even a dola in the first place. Carry on...

:D



Haha damn you. I'm trying to provide a blow by blow, don't DOLA police me!

Blackadar 11-19-2004 10:03 PM

So is the game a forfeit?

Noop 11-19-2004 10:03 PM

Stephan Jackson is gone. He was not attacked by any fan and he just busted some fan in the mouth.

VPI97 11-19-2004 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.


The NBA - It's FAN-tastic!

Bubba Wheels 11-19-2004 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.


SHHHHHHH, I was supposed to be working late at the office

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dacman
The NBA and all sports are going to have to take a serious look at fan behavior and security or I greatly fear a repeat of a Monica Seles type incident or worse before something is done.

I'm not sure what the answer is. Severe and swift criminal prosecution?? No beer?? I don't know, but I hate to think an athlete has to get seriously injured or worse before something is done. This has been brewing for years, especially in the NBA where the fans are so close to the players and have relatively easy access.

I hope severe measures are taken on all sides.


Prosecution is bound to happen. Plenty of people on both sides on video doing idotic things. ESPN and local coverage tonight. You can bet some charges are going to be filed.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackadar
So is the game a forfeit?


Game was called with 45 seconds left, Pacers had the lead so they won.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop
Stephan Jackson is gone. He was not attacked by any fan and he just busted some fan in the mouth.


Yeah, I haven't seen anything to provoke Jackson to hit that guy. I know it's a malay but that guy was sucker punched.

dacman 11-19-2004 10:06 PM

Yeah, Stephan Jackson and Ron Artest are probably looking at 10 games if not more.

The_herd 11-19-2004 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dacman
Yeah, Stephan Jackson and Ron Artest are probably looking at 10 games if not more.


Plenty of time to promote an album.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:07 PM

the best source so far is local detroit sportscaster bernie smileovich. he was right in the middle of it all getting ready for the post game wrap up. he said artest had a beer thrown at him, and then next thing he knew he seens punches thrown.

The_herd 11-19-2004 10:11 PM

I'm not a big Artest fan, but I can't say I blame him. A lot of people here would probably react the same to a beer being thrown at them. He's going to be suspended, but this wasn't your typical Artest being a jackass.

Stephen Jackson should be gone for a while. 10 games should be the absolute minimum and it should definintely be longer than any suspention Artest gets.

All fans involved should see some serious reprocusions and I'm certain the environment at Pistons games will change. Things like this don't happen without some serious changes to the way things are done.

Schmidty 11-19-2004 10:12 PM

Unbelievable. Ron Artest and Stephen Hunter throwing full-out punches at anyone they saw. I hope they're gone forever.

The people that threw stuff at the beginning are losers and deserve to be arrested, but after that, you have giant men twice the size as everyone in the stands throwing punches at anyone they saw. If I witnessed that, I would have been tempted to throw a cup of soda too (although I would NEVER have done it).

So now I get to hear everyone in Detroit getting insulted because of a few drunk morons and a few insane, fuck-head millionaire jackasses who can't control themselves. Damn it.

LloydLungs 11-19-2004 10:13 PM

If they can determine that Stephen Jackson was unprovoked, I wonder if we may be talking about the whole season for him. That's what Spree got for choking Carlesimo.

As for Artest, given his special circumstances, his punishment should be playing all 48 minutes every night with no breaks ever. Maybe he won't get the whole season since he got a beer tossed on him though.

Awaiting Simmons column on this....

sovereignstar 11-19-2004 10:13 PM

I love the title of this thread.

Blackadar 11-19-2004 10:13 PM

Imagine that. A riot in Detriot. Who'd have thunk it? :)

JonInMiddleGA 11-19-2004 10:13 PM

Interesting to see Larry Brown's comments, which included a comment that he thought his players should have gone into the crowd to protect Artest & Jackson.

And he's right.

If an arena can cut off beer sales at a Metallica concert at 8:50pm (Metallica didn't appear on stage until nearly 9 pm), then there's no reason the NBA, MLB, et al can't do the same thing.

Mustang 11-19-2004 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
Artest got his ass whooped by a short fat white guy.


George Costanza was at the game?

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:14 PM

Also, had this not even happened, Artest would probably be in some water. Up 15, he doesn't even go after the ball and just basically tries to take out Ben Wallace.

Then Artest sits on the time table and puts on someones headphones and does some Artest Play by Play apparently. Ben Wallace is gone for a few games for throwing a headband or towel at Artest as well I assume.

SirFozzie 11-19-2004 10:15 PM

Comeon, Detox, that wasn't even a particularly hard foul.

Wallace completely overreacted.

stevew 11-19-2004 10:16 PM

I would strongly doubt the players association is gonna let either of them be suspended for 10 games. That is way too harsh. Damn this thread is popular right now.

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JonInMiddleGA 11-19-2004 10:16 PM

Also, watching the first Jackson punch (I don't know if there's more that I haven't seen yet) it appears to be thrown at a guy who was heading toward the Artest scrum. If so, I've got no problem with that at all, he's removing what he sees as a threat to a teammate.

The_herd 11-19-2004 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle
Also, had this not even happened, Artest would probably be in some water. Up 15, he doesn't even go after the ball and just basically tries to take out Ben Wallace.

Then Artest sits on the time table and puts on someones headphones and does some Artest Play by Play apparently. Ben Wallace is gone for a few games for throwing a headband or towel at Artest as well I assume.


I think Ben Wallace is looking at a pretty nice suspention too. Artest gave him a hard foul and Wallace overreacted. Wallace putting his hands in Artests face and shoving him into the scorer's table is what led to the crowd getting involved.

Ugly, ugly situation and I don't think Wallace is getting enough blame for it.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie
Comeon, Detox, that wasn't even a particularly hard foul.

Wallace completely overreacted.


But up 15, with 45 seconds left. It's uncalled for.

DeToxRox 11-19-2004 10:18 PM

Bah. I forgot to say. Wallace was overracting, I am just saying Artest shouldn't have even done it.

JonInMiddleGA 11-19-2004 10:19 PM

Still watching the ESPNews coverage & something Jim Grey said just dawned on me -- Artest was hit with a bottle of beer? Huh? WTF??? Please tell me that there isn't an arena in this country fucking stupid enough to give fans bottles instead of putting the beer in a plastic cup.

dacman 11-19-2004 10:20 PM

No, no -- plastic cup. Not a bottle.

SackAttack 11-19-2004 10:21 PM

Usually what you see is plastic bottles with the cap off so that pressure can't build up inside the bottle.

It's what was thrown at Milton Bradley.

We aren't talkin' glass bottles here, but still hurts more than your average paper cup.


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