Who from your favorite team will be on the Mitchell Report?

rowech · 12-07-2007, 07:31 PM

Reds...

Not sure if they'll show up but I definitely think Boone used and I think Larkin did for at least one season. I don't think he did but I wouldn't be shocked if Griffey's name showed up.

korme · 12-07-2007, 07:33 PM

Worst thread ever

Young Drachma · 12-07-2007, 07:33 PM

The Mitchell Report is about as fraudulent as Bud Selig.

Crapshoot · 12-07-2007, 07:39 PM

Don't know, Don't care.

And "". to what Dark Cloud said.

Chief Rum · 12-07-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

The Mitchell Report is about as fraudulent as Bud Selig.

Selig isn't fraudulent. He's exactly the dumb, self-serving jerk he appears to be.

Buccaneer · 12-07-2007, 07:46 PM

That only took 4 posts for Dark Cloud and Crapshoot to come out with their heads-up-their-ass stance. So predictable

Crapshoot · 12-07-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

That only took 4 posts for Dark Cloud and Crapshoot to come out with their heads-up-their-ass stance. So predictable

About as long as it took you to come with the "I'm an old self-righteous fart" bit.

Cringer · 12-07-2007, 08:05 PM

Astros=Everyone

Crapshoots team=Everyone

MLB=Everyone

miami_fan · 12-07-2007, 09:52 PM

Who knows who did it, but a couple of things are clear.

The good guys who did it only did because of injuries.

The bad guys who did it only did it to cheat the game.

bulletsponge · 12-07-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Who knows who did it, but a couple of things are clear.

The good guys who did it only did because of injuries.

The bad guys who did it only did it to cheat the game.

your forgeting, the good guys are the ones the press take turns blowing. the "bad guys" are the ones that dont get along with the press much

Radii · 12-07-2007, 10:13 PM

As a Cubs fan, I'll just say Sosa and let anyone else be a suprise :P

Swaggs · 12-07-2007, 10:17 PM

Depends on how far back this goes, but some names I would suspect to see are Brian Giles, Kevin Young, Jay Bell, and Jeff King.

BishopMVP · 12-07-2007, 10:23 PM

Is this actually getting released?

MrBug708 · 12-07-2007, 10:43 PM

Gagne probably juiced

JPhillips · 12-07-2007, 10:55 PM

I don't expect to see many names. My guess is six to eight total. Just enough to show that baseball is "serious".

I'd guess Brett Boone and probably Aaron as well. I disagree about Larkin. I really doubt it with Griffey. If any of the pitchers were, they didn't get their money's worth.

rowech · 12-07-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I don't expect to see many names. My guess is six to eight total. Just enough to show that baseball is "serious".

I'd guess Brett Boone and probably Aaron as well. I disagree about Larkin. I really doubt it with Griffey. If any of the pitchers were, they didn't get their money's worth.

It's been stated that every team will be affected in some way. I have no doubt Larkin used in '96 but I think the whole league was at that point.

miami_fan · 12-07-2007, 11:28 PM

I am going to go out on a limb and say none of the current Marlins will be on the list.

stevew · 12-07-2007, 11:49 PM

Burrell, Abreu, Lieberthal, Randy Wolf, David Bell, Jose Fucking Mesa, Lidle(rip)

JeeberD · 12-08-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Astros=Everyone

Bite me! It was only Caminiti, dammit!

I'm gonna throw myself off a bridge when it comes out that Bags juiced

Anthony · 12-08-2007, 12:06 AM

Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez for sure.

lighthousekeeper · 12-08-2007, 12:10 AM

Steve Balboni

korme · 12-08-2007, 12:31 AM

Ronnie Gant

lungs · 12-08-2007, 10:18 AM

I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.

sterlingice · 12-08-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.

Damn you, Jerome Walton and Chris Sabo!

SI

JPhillips · 12-08-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

It's been stated that every team will be affected in some way. I have no doubt Larkin used in '96 but I think the whole league was at that point.

But I doubt they'll name a lot of players. The liability for doing so would be extreme. If they don't ave a confession or iron clad evidence they would be foolish to list one-hundred names of "probable" users. It would take about a day to get a few billion dollars worth of defamation lawsuits.

Of course I also have a hard time believing that baseball will really come clean. It seems so against their nature.

lungs · 12-08-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Damn you, Jerome Walton and Chris Sabo!

SI

haha, nope.

think last decade or so.

JPhillips · 12-08-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

haha, nope.

think last decade or so.

And the winner is Ben Grieve.

Oilers9911 · 12-08-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.

Hinske?

lungs · 12-08-2007, 10:36 AM

Both are logical guesses and one is correct.

MrBug708 · 12-08-2007, 10:39 AM

One of my employees went to school with both of the Sweeney brothers and said they were on the juice

korme · 12-08-2007, 10:42 AM

Scott Williamson!?

Fonzie · 12-08-2007, 10:51 AM

<-----Cardinals fan

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Mark McGwire might show up on the list.

MikeVic · 12-08-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I'm gonna throw myself off a bridge IF it comes out that Bags juiced

Fixed. He was my favourite player for awhile because of his stance, OBP, SB, HR power, etc. I really hope he's clean.

sooner333 · 12-08-2007, 04:43 PM

Giants: Bonds, Santiago, Felix Rodriguez wouldn't shock me, Galaragga, maybe Kent (though he doesn't have the body).

JeeberD · 12-08-2007, 04:44 PM

Galaragga? No way. Not unless you think the entire Rockies organization 'roided up (which I suppose is entirely possible)...

clintl · 12-08-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Giants: Bonds, Santiago, Felix Rodriguez wouldn't shock me, Galaragga, maybe Kent (though he doesn't have the body).

Bobby Estalella. Not that it did any good.

sooner333 · 12-08-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Galaragga? No way. Not unless you think the entire Rockies organization 'roided up (which I suppose is entirely possible)...

After his cancer with the Giants. He comes to the Giants with all these old guys who are having resurrections (Santiago, for instance) one year and he starts doing well again. Just seems odd.

Buccaneer · 12-08-2007, 05:51 PM

Each of the Blake Street Bombers, from what I have heard (which went back to 1995).

rowech · 12-08-2007, 06:19 PM

It's interesting to see some names of guys who I might not have thought about. Bagwell will be very interesting to me. I really hope he's not on there but I have a feeling he might very well be.

sooner333 · 12-08-2007, 08:34 PM

BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.

rowech · 12-08-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.

That season is either the year it was at it's worst or they were playing with a bouncy-ball that season. The homerun numbers for so many guys were just so far off of their career highs prior to that.

larrymcg421 · 12-09-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

After his cancer with the Giants. He comes to the Giants with all these old guys who are having resurrections (Santiago, for instance) one year and he starts doing well again. Just seems odd.

His first year back was in 2000 with the Braves where he had a better than expected season with a 122 OPS+. His highest OPS with the Giants was 127. If any year sticks out for Andres, it's the stunning 1998 season with the Braves, when he put together the highest OPS+ of his career at age 37.

KWhit · 12-09-2007, 08:18 AM

Andruw Jones.

CraigSca · 12-09-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.

A couple things here - I have no idea if Brady Anderson was on the juice. I'll assume he was, and I'll assume the majority of ballplayers were in the time period. FWIW, Brady Anderson was always a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym and still does. Now, that could either provide more "evidence" or not based on what you believe.

To get back to the point of my original comment - I always find the mention of his hitting 50+ homeruns as evidence of steroid use to be bas-ackwards. He went from 16 HRs to 50 and then back to 18 in 1997. Are we to assume then he took steroids in 1996 but then stopped in '97 when there was absolutely no change in baseball's policy on testing? While the 50 HRs is an eye opener, to use it as proof-positive of steroid use makes no sense.

Logan · 12-09-2007, 09:48 AM

Maybe he realized he was killing himself and his girl was pissed that he couldn't get his dick up and he figured it wasn't worth it anymore?

Ironhead · 12-09-2007, 09:56 AM

It seems pretty clear based on statistical analysis that Rafael Belliard was juicing. I mean, his HR/AB jumped from 1 per 2,210 over his first 15 seasons in the league all the way up to 1 per 91 his last 2 seasons. Fuckin' juicer.

rowech · 12-09-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca

A couple things here - I have no idea if Brady Anderson was on the juice. I'll assume he was, and I'll assume the majority of ballplayers were in the time period. FWIW, Brady Anderson was always a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym and still does. Now, that could either provide more "evidence" or not based on what you believe.

To get back to the point of my original comment - I always find the mention of his hitting 50+ homeruns as evidence of steroid use to be bas-ackwards. He went from 16 HRs to 50 and then back to 18 in 1997. Are we to assume then he took steroids in 1996 but then stopped in '97 when there was absolutely no change in baseball's policy on testing? While the 50 HRs is an eye opener, to use it as proof-positive of steroid use makes no sense.

If it helps, I think the same thing about Larkin. 20 homeruns in 1991 at the age of 27 was his high before. Makes total sense. Then in 1996, at the age of 32, after hitting 15 the year before, he ups it to 33. Probably would have hit 10 the next year had he not been hurt.

It's quite possible something was in the ball in 1996. The bottom line for me is that the players, managers, owners, front offices, Selig, and the rest knew they had to get butts back in the seats after the strike in 1994 and 1996 is when the balls started leaving the yards in ridiculous amounts so maybe everyone and their brother was in on it.

sooner333 · 12-09-2007, 09:48 PM

Forgot about the juiced ball being an explanation.

Another guy who we might suspect did it was Luis Gonzales. I remember one day on the sports radio show here they were kind of just going over a list of guys they thought might or might not have done steroids. They get to Luis Gonzales think yes, but call the afternoon host, Jim Trabor, who did color commentary the year before for the D-Backs. He answers about the other guys, then hmmms and haws over Gonzales saying something like "I don't know whether he did or not, but he's such a family man, trying to do the best thing for his family and if he could get a big contract that would set them for life." Not an exact quote, but it was along those lines.

Desnudo · 12-09-2007, 09:51 PM

Clemens

sooner333 · 12-09-2007, 09:55 PM

Dola- What about pitchers? Kevin Brown for some reason comes to my mind.

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Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Depends on how far back this goes, but some names I would suspect to see are Brian Giles, Kevin Young, Jay Bell, and Jeff King. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-07-2007, 10:55 PM	#15
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I don't expect to see many names. My guess is six to eight total. Just enough to show that baseball is "serious". I'd guess Brett Boone and probably Aaron as well. I disagree about Larkin. I really doubt it with Griffey. If any of the pitchers were, they didn't get their money's worth. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Worst thread ever

12-07-2007, 07:39 PM	#4
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Don't know, Don't care. And "". to what Dark Cloud said.

12-07-2007, 07:46 PM	#6
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	That only took 4 posts for Dark Cloud and Crapshoot to come out with their heads-up-their-ass stance. So predictable

12-07-2007, 10:13 PM	#11
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As a Cubs fan, I'll just say Sosa and let anyone else be a suprise :P

12-07-2007, 10:23 PM	#13
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Is this actually getting released?

12-07-2007, 10:43 PM	#14
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Gagne probably juiced

12-07-2007, 11:28 PM	#17
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I am going to go out on a limb and say none of the current Marlins will be on the list. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Burrell, Abreu, Lieberthal, Randy Wolf, David Bell, Jose Fucking Mesa, Lidle(rip)

12-08-2007, 12:06 AM	#20
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez for sure.

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lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Steve Balboni __________________ ...

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korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Ronnie Gant

12-08-2007, 10:18 AM	#23
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.

12-08-2007, 10:36 AM	#29
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Both are logical guesses and one is correct.

12-08-2007, 10:39 AM	#30
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	One of my employees went to school with both of the Sweeney brothers and said they were on the juice

12-08-2007, 10:42 AM	#31
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Scott Williamson!?

12-08-2007, 10:51 AM	#32
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	<-----Cardinals fan I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Mark McGwire might show up on the list.

12-08-2007, 04:43 PM	#34
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Giants: Bonds, Santiago, Felix Rodriguez wouldn't shock me, Galaragga, maybe Kent (though he doesn't have the body).

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JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Galaragga? No way. Not unless you think the entire Rockies organization 'roided up (which I suppose is entirely possible)... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

12-08-2007, 05:51 PM	#38
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Each of the Blake Street Bombers, from what I have heard (which went back to 1995).

12-08-2007, 06:19 PM	#39
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	It's interesting to see some names of guys who I might not have thought about. Bagwell will be very interesting to me. I really hope he's not on there but I have a feeling he might very well be.

12-08-2007, 08:34 PM	#40
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.

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KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Andruw Jones.

12-09-2007, 09:48 AM	#45
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Maybe he realized he was killing himself and his girl was pissed that he couldn't get his dick up and he figured it wasn't worth it anymore?

12-09-2007, 09:56 AM	#46
Ironhead College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Barnegat, NJ	It seems pretty clear based on statistical analysis that Rafael Belliard was juicing. I mean, his HR/AB jumped from 1 per 2,210 over his first 15 seasons in the league all the way up to 1 per 91 his last 2 seasons. Fuckin' juicer. Last edited by Ironhead : 12-09-2007 at 10:43 AM.

12-09-2007, 09:48 PM	#48
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Forgot about the juiced ball being an explanation. Another guy who we might suspect did it was Luis Gonzales. I remember one day on the sports radio show here they were kind of just going over a list of guys they thought might or might not have done steroids. They get to Luis Gonzales think yes, but call the afternoon host, Jim Trabor, who did color commentary the year before for the D-Backs. He answers about the other guys, then hmmms and haws over Gonzales saying something like "I don't know whether he did or not, but he's such a family man, trying to do the best thing for his family and if he could get a big contract that would set them for life." Not an exact quote, but it was along those lines. Last edited by sooner333 : 12-09-2007 at 09:50 PM.

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Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Clemens

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sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Dola- What about pitchers? Kevin Brown for some reason comes to my mind.

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