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rowech 12-07-2007 07:31 PM

Who from your favorite team will be on the Mitchell Report?
 
Reds...

Not sure if they'll show up but I definitely think Boone used and I think Larkin did for at least one season. I don't think he did but I wouldn't be shocked if Griffey's name showed up.

korme 12-07-2007 07:33 PM

Worst thread ever

Young Drachma 12-07-2007 07:33 PM

The Mitchell Report is about as fraudulent as Bud Selig.

Crapshoot 12-07-2007 07:39 PM

Don't know, Don't care.

And "". to what Dark Cloud said.

Chief Rum 12-07-2007 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1610082)
The Mitchell Report is about as fraudulent as Bud Selig.


Selig isn't fraudulent. He's exactly the dumb, self-serving jerk he appears to be.

Buccaneer 12-07-2007 07:46 PM

That only took 4 posts for Dark Cloud and Crapshoot to come out with their heads-up-their-ass stance. So predictable

Crapshoot 12-07-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1610088)
That only took 4 posts for Dark Cloud and Crapshoot to come out with their heads-up-their-ass stance. So predictable


About as long as it took you to come with the "I'm an old self-righteous fart" bit. :rolleyes:

Cringer 12-07-2007 08:05 PM

Astros=Everyone

Crapshoots team=Everyone

MLB=Everyone

miami_fan 12-07-2007 09:52 PM

Who knows who did it, but a couple of things are clear.

The good guys who did it only did because of injuries.

The bad guys who did it only did it to cheat the game.

bulletsponge 12-07-2007 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 1610163)
Who knows who did it, but a couple of things are clear.

The good guys who did it only did because of injuries.

The bad guys who did it only did it to cheat the game.



your forgeting, the good guys are the ones the press take turns blowing. the "bad guys" are the ones that dont get along with the press much

Radii 12-07-2007 10:13 PM

As a Cubs fan, I'll just say Sosa and let anyone else be a suprise :P

Swaggs 12-07-2007 10:17 PM

Depends on how far back this goes, but some names I would suspect to see are Brian Giles, Kevin Young, Jay Bell, and Jeff King.

BishopMVP 12-07-2007 10:23 PM

Is this actually getting released?

MrBug708 12-07-2007 10:43 PM

Gagne probably juiced

JPhillips 12-07-2007 10:55 PM

I don't expect to see many names. My guess is six to eight total. Just enough to show that baseball is "serious".

I'd guess Brett Boone and probably Aaron as well. I disagree about Larkin. I really doubt it with Griffey. If any of the pitchers were, they didn't get their money's worth.

rowech 12-07-2007 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 1610197)
I don't expect to see many names. My guess is six to eight total. Just enough to show that baseball is "serious".

I'd guess Brett Boone and probably Aaron as well. I disagree about Larkin. I really doubt it with Griffey. If any of the pitchers were, they didn't get their money's worth.


It's been stated that every team will be affected in some way. I have no doubt Larkin used in '96 but I think the whole league was at that point.

miami_fan 12-07-2007 11:28 PM

I am going to go out on a limb and say none of the current Marlins will be on the list.

stevew 12-07-2007 11:49 PM

Burrell, Abreu, Lieberthal, Randy Wolf, David Bell, Jose Fucking Mesa, Lidle(rip)

JeeberD 12-08-2007 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer (Post 1610105)
Astros=Everyone


Bite me! It was only Caminiti, dammit!

I'm gonna throw myself off a bridge when it comes out that Bags juiced :(

Anthony 12-08-2007 12:06 AM

Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez for sure.

lighthousekeeper 12-08-2007 12:10 AM

Steve Balboni

korme 12-08-2007 12:31 AM

Ronnie Gant

lungs 12-08-2007 10:18 AM

I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.

sterlingice 12-08-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1610335)
I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.


Damn you, Jerome Walton and Chris Sabo!

SI

JPhillips 12-08-2007 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowech (Post 1610205)
It's been stated that every team will be affected in some way. I have no doubt Larkin used in '96 but I think the whole league was at that point.


But I doubt they'll name a lot of players. The liability for doing so would be extreme. If they don't ave a confession or iron clad evidence they would be foolish to list one-hundred names of "probable" users. It would take about a day to get a few billion dollars worth of defamation lawsuits.

Of course I also have a hard time believing that baseball will really come clean. It seems so against their nature.

lungs 12-08-2007 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 1610337)
Damn you, Jerome Walton and Chris Sabo!

SI


haha, nope.

think last decade or so.

JPhillips 12-08-2007 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1610339)
haha, nope.

think last decade or so.


And the winner is Ben Grieve.

Oilers9911 12-08-2007 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 1610335)
I don't know if he'll be in the report or not, but I know for a fact that a certain former rookie of the year did one cycle of steroids. A family member of mine went to high school with him and is good friends with him to this day. Let's just say he'll be set for life, but won't be getting a big contract anytime soon.


Hinske?

lungs 12-08-2007 10:36 AM

Both are logical guesses and one is correct.

MrBug708 12-08-2007 10:39 AM

One of my employees went to school with both of the Sweeney brothers and said they were on the juice

korme 12-08-2007 10:42 AM

Scott Williamson!?

Fonzie 12-08-2007 10:51 AM

<-----Cardinals fan

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Mark McGwire might show up on the list.

MikeVic 12-08-2007 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1610225)
I'm gonna throw myself off a bridge IF it comes out that Bags juiced :(


Fixed. He was my favourite player for awhile because of his stance, OBP, SB, HR power, etc. I really hope he's clean. :(:(

sooner333 12-08-2007 04:43 PM

Giants: Bonds, Santiago, Felix Rodriguez wouldn't shock me, Galaragga, maybe Kent (though he doesn't have the body).

JeeberD 12-08-2007 04:44 PM

Galaragga? No way. Not unless you think the entire Rockies organization 'roided up (which I suppose is entirely possible)...

clintl 12-08-2007 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333 (Post 1610705)
Giants: Bonds, Santiago, Felix Rodriguez wouldn't shock me, Galaragga, maybe Kent (though he doesn't have the body).


Bobby Estalella. Not that it did any good.

sooner333 12-08-2007 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1610708)
Galaragga? No way. Not unless you think the entire Rockies organization 'roided up (which I suppose is entirely possible)...


After his cancer with the Giants. He comes to the Giants with all these old guys who are having resurrections (Santiago, for instance) one year and he starts doing well again. Just seems odd.

Buccaneer 12-08-2007 05:51 PM

Each of the Blake Street Bombers, from what I have heard (which went back to 1995).

rowech 12-08-2007 06:19 PM

It's interesting to see some names of guys who I might not have thought about. Bagwell will be very interesting to me. I really hope he's not on there but I have a feeling he might very well be.

sooner333 12-08-2007 08:34 PM

BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.

rowech 12-08-2007 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sooner333 (Post 1610820)
BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.


That season is either the year it was at it's worst or they were playing with a bouncy-ball that season. The homerun numbers for so many guys were just so far off of their career highs prior to that.

larrymcg421 12-09-2007 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sooner333 (Post 1610748)
After his cancer with the Giants. He comes to the Giants with all these old guys who are having resurrections (Santiago, for instance) one year and he starts doing well again. Just seems odd.


His first year back was in 2000 with the Braves where he had a better than expected season with a 122 OPS+. His highest OPS with the Giants was 127. If any year sticks out for Andres, it's the stunning 1998 season with the Braves, when he put together the highest OPS+ of his career at age 37.

KWhit 12-09-2007 08:18 AM

Andruw Jones.

CraigSca 12-09-2007 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sooner333 (Post 1610820)
BTW, I don't know how anything else can explain when Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in a season.


A couple things here - I have no idea if Brady Anderson was on the juice. I'll assume he was, and I'll assume the majority of ballplayers were in the time period. FWIW, Brady Anderson was always a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym and still does. Now, that could either provide more "evidence" or not based on what you believe.

To get back to the point of my original comment - I always find the mention of his hitting 50+ homeruns as evidence of steroid use to be bas-ackwards. He went from 16 HRs to 50 and then back to 18 in 1997. Are we to assume then he took steroids in 1996 but then stopped in '97 when there was absolutely no change in baseball's policy on testing? While the 50 HRs is an eye opener, to use it as proof-positive of steroid use makes no sense.

Logan 12-09-2007 09:48 AM

Maybe he realized he was killing himself and his girl was pissed that he couldn't get his dick up and he figured it wasn't worth it anymore?

Ironhead 12-09-2007 09:56 AM

It seems pretty clear based on statistical analysis that Rafael Belliard was juicing. I mean, his HR/AB jumped from 1 per 2,210 over his first 15 seasons in the league all the way up to 1 per 91 his last 2 seasons. Fuckin' juicer. :mad:





:D

rowech 12-09-2007 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigSca (Post 1611010)
A couple things here - I have no idea if Brady Anderson was on the juice. I'll assume he was, and I'll assume the majority of ballplayers were in the time period. FWIW, Brady Anderson was always a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym and still does. Now, that could either provide more "evidence" or not based on what you believe.

To get back to the point of my original comment - I always find the mention of his hitting 50+ homeruns as evidence of steroid use to be bas-ackwards. He went from 16 HRs to 50 and then back to 18 in 1997. Are we to assume then he took steroids in 1996 but then stopped in '97 when there was absolutely no change in baseball's policy on testing? While the 50 HRs is an eye opener, to use it as proof-positive of steroid use makes no sense.


If it helps, I think the same thing about Larkin. 20 homeruns in 1991 at the age of 27 was his high before. Makes total sense. Then in 1996, at the age of 32, after hitting 15 the year before, he ups it to 33. Probably would have hit 10 the next year had he not been hurt.

It's quite possible something was in the ball in 1996. The bottom line for me is that the players, managers, owners, front offices, Selig, and the rest knew they had to get butts back in the seats after the strike in 1994 and 1996 is when the balls started leaving the yards in ridiculous amounts so maybe everyone and their brother was in on it.

sooner333 12-09-2007 09:48 PM

Forgot about the juiced ball being an explanation.

Another guy who we might suspect did it was Luis Gonzales. I remember one day on the sports radio show here they were kind of just going over a list of guys they thought might or might not have done steroids. They get to Luis Gonzales think yes, but call the afternoon host, Jim Trabor, who did color commentary the year before for the D-Backs. He answers about the other guys, then hmmms and haws over Gonzales saying something like "I don't know whether he did or not, but he's such a family man, trying to do the best thing for his family and if he could get a big contract that would set them for life." Not an exact quote, but it was along those lines.

Desnudo 12-09-2007 09:51 PM

Clemens

sooner333 12-09-2007 09:55 PM

Dola- What about pitchers? Kevin Brown for some reason comes to my mind.


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