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Location: NC
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Goodbye, Manny: Ramirez to sit 50 games for PEDs
Per ESPN and the guys in the MLB thread. I think this warrants its own thread.
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05-07-2009, 11:01 AM
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Holy shit.
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05-07-2009, 11:02 AM
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Put an asterisk beside that 13-0 home record.
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05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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One too many 'do rags?
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05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Two cities in the nation react while the rest of the nation yawns.
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05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
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Location: NYC
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sportsdigs...errr, MLB thread...had this 10 minutes ago
haha...didn't even read sami's post, but yes I agree it's a better idea to have it's own thread. Last edited by Logan : 05-07-2009 at 11:04 AM. |
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05-07-2009, 11:04 AM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
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Wow, if true. But who else can win that division?
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05-07-2009, 11:05 AM
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What? I don't like/dislike the Dodgers or Red Sox but he is one of this generation's best players.... |
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05-07-2009, 11:05 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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This is so lame. Manny is a jackass, but it was always fun to watch him hit. Now, maybe he is another tainted phony.
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05-07-2009, 11:06 AM
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05-07-2009, 11:10 AM
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General Manager
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Location: The Mountains
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Then why don't you go back to the Missouri baseball thread? |
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05-07-2009, 11:11 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Wow... big story. Wonder how many more will get caught.
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05-07-2009, 11:15 AM
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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Got to talk about the lesser teams at some point. |
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05-07-2009, 11:18 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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So let's think through the contract situation...Manny's only getting paid $10M up front this year, and I assume he is suspended without pay, right? If this blows up on Manny, does Boras NOT have him void the second year? Would the Dodgers still go forward with another 2-3 year deal at the end of this one, given this info?
Those 2 $20M options he got voided are looking better and better every day... Also, I bet Juan Pierre is a happy man today.
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05-07-2009, 11:19 AM
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General Manager
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Proof that any team's fans will become "obnoxious" with success - even when it the success is a 17-11 record. |
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05-07-2009, 11:19 AM
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Head Coach
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I hope Xavier Paul starts not Pierre.
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05-07-2009, 11:20 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Wisconsin
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Brett will sign today. How dare Manny steal his headlines!!!!
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05-07-2009, 11:21 AM
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Hall Of Famer
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Let's be fair. MBBF was obnoxious before the Royals success- just ask anyone in the video game and political threads  SI
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05-07-2009, 11:22 AM
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Boras is saying its a "prescribed drug" and not a steroid.
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05-07-2009, 11:25 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The Dirty
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Yeah, before we proclaim him the next Giambi or ARoid, it's worth seeing what he actually tested positive for. I have a hard time believing a 36 year old vet who already signed his big deal would be so stupid as to take roids during the season when you know they are testing. But he is Manny...
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05-07-2009, 11:27 AM
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Head Coach
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But as I said in the other thread, in this day and age, if he's stupid enough to take a prescribed drug without investigating if it would cause him to fail a steroids test, then he deserves the 50 day suspension for stupidity.
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05-07-2009, 11:28 AM
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And college football. And college basketball. And, I'm guessing, pretty much any thread where he has more than one post. |
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05-07-2009, 11:29 AM
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I didn't disagree  I'm just saying there's a big difference between testing positive for roids vs. Ginko or some shit.
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05-07-2009, 11:34 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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Eh, I don't really care whether it's roids or not. Banned is banned.
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M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." |
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05-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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Wait, why did they suspend him? It's just Manny being Manny...
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05-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I had no idea he was a Ped....truly disgusting.
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05-07-2009, 11:38 AM
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Most of the former Indians players from 1995-1997 as still beloved in the Cleveland area. So it will be big news in C-Town too. |
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05-07-2009, 11:41 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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This is big news everywhere. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
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05-07-2009, 11:42 AM
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Location: Cary, NC
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No there isn't. It's like the uptick in cold med usage or the number of athletes who suddenly needed asthma meds as ways of getting PEDs with an "excuse".
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05-07-2009, 11:43 AM
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Oooh I have a conspiracy theory! The physician he saw is a fan of some other NL West team (edit: or a Cleveland or Boston fan who is still bitter about "Manny being Manny"). I don't care what it was. It's his responsibility (and to his credit, he's taking responsibility) to make sure what he's taking is OK. /tk
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05-07-2009, 11:51 AM
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Does the baseball policy suspend on the first instance? Or do they keep it between player/union/testing org and suspend on second instance?
I thought the NFL followed the latter model, but wasn't sure what baseball does. If it is the second offense that gets the suspension then that should significantly reduce the chance of suspension over something silly like cold medication. |
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05-07-2009, 11:52 AM
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First instance.
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05-07-2009, 11:52 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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No, this is first instance.
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M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." |
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05-07-2009, 11:56 AM
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The counter to this is that I'm sure we're going to get Manny overload the next couple of days and it's going to be overexposed as a story. I'm not saying it's not big news, but we're also going to be complaining about Manny coverage about this time tomorrow. SI
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05-07-2009, 12:04 PM
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At what point will it just be easier to put asterisks by the numbers of the guys who didn't use PEDs? It might save ink in the long run.
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05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
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The guys upthread were right: I'd rather be overloaded by a sport that is in season than hearing about Favre. |
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05-07-2009, 12:08 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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I think it's easier to just assume everyone uses, and thus consider all records and numbers legit. This still kind of feels like a lottery to me. 2-3 positive tests a year? Those just feel like random accidents, and that everyone else is up to date on their masking agents. Last edited by molson : 05-07-2009 at 12:09 PM. |
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05-07-2009, 12:18 PM
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Regardless of the medical issue why would he not go to the club doctor? They would (or should) know enough to not prescribe something that is banned.
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05-07-2009, 12:18 PM
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Very, very true And my biased self would rather hear about baseball above any other sport. (EDIT: had "unbiased") (Just not these types of stories...) SI
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Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 05-07-2009 at 09:23 PM. |
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05-07-2009, 12:19 PM
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I think you answered your own question there. |
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05-07-2009, 12:21 PM
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Sounds a lot more likely by the day. And, frankly, that's a shame because I'm sure there are players out there not using. But they don't/won't speak up and I'm really starting to think the number using far outnumbers the ones not using whereas I was thinking the opposite for a very long time. SI
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Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 05-07-2009 at 12:21 PM. |
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05-07-2009, 12:21 PM
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Yes, perhaps I did.
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05-07-2009, 12:28 PM
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No one. They should still be in 1st when he gets back. The rest of the West is that bad. |
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05-07-2009, 12:36 PM
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Or, even if the club doctor does it, you would think that the player would have a great excuse upon getting caught. Certainly you would think that a player would have a great claim for not losing his salary during a suspension if all he did was take what the team doctor gave him. |
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05-07-2009, 12:36 PM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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That really has nothing to do with whether this is a story that only NY/Boston and LA care about, while the rest of us think it's no big deal and too much is being made of it. Whether it gets run into the ground from this point forward is pretty much a given, isn't it? That's ESPN's MO these days.
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05-07-2009, 12:41 PM
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fucker.
Have him on both fantasy teams. |
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05-07-2009, 12:42 PM
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very true. I have pretty much completely stopped watching ESPN for that reason. |
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05-07-2009, 12:53 PM
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Of course they are going to run it into the ground, but, quite obviously, the best hitter on the team with the best record in baseball... in addition to him being considered a sure thing first ballot Hall of Famer... means its a pretty sizable deal.
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05-07-2009, 12:54 PM
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Source: Ramirez's substance a sexual enhancer - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
Dear Lord, let him testing positive for Enzyte be true.
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