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Old 03-08-2006, 08:45 AM   #401
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Old 03-08-2006, 08:50 AM   #402
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:12 AM   #403
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OK, good points.
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:15 AM   #404
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The Oakland Assassins GM in that league seems like he might be a close second...

I think we know who comes in third...

Jave is one of the better owners in the league. The guy made a three year plan, and got drilled for three years. This last year he finally made the IFL championship game and got beat. Let's just say the payback this year has been hell. Can't blame him though, with all the crap he has taken for three years now.
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:21 AM   #405
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Does this mean that the Maximum Football thread is dead???
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:42 AM   #406
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Ok...I call bs on his letter. If he wanted to drop from the leagues he was playing in, why didn't he just tell everyone he has marriage problems. He can easily do it after the fact, but not before? To create a scandal to get kicked out just seems like an excuse so that he can get some jbmagic points.....oops, I mean sympathy points.
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:47 AM   #407
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Ok...I call bs on his letter. If he wanted to drop from the leagues he was playing in, why didn't he just tell everyone he has marriage problems. He can easily do it after the fact, but not before? To create a scandal to get kicked out just seems like an excuse so that he can get some jbmagic points.....oops, I mean sympathy points.

that's cause his doctor wouldn't sign him a prescription for the FOF-addiction patch that he so needed. CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND? HE WAS ADDICTED!!!



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Old 03-08-2006, 10:23 AM   #408
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Look, there is really no reason to argue over this. Apparently what I have done has upset some people so I will stop doing it. I hope that you will understand that I was not trying to cheat or gain anything from this. To be honest it really bothers me that you would not want me to stay in the league. I helped Justin form this league earlier this year and have devoted countless hours to it. I was in another league at the same time as this one and actually left over an issue in which my principals were being questioned. My goal was to help just start a league that was fun, where everyone could just be themselves and enjoy the game. As I said, I will cut the players in an effort to make things right.

That was from page 2. Raider1, the one caught cheating at that time, helped Justin, the one caught cheating this time, form the PFL. (Just in case a diagram is ever made.)
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:43 AM   #409
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Ok...I call bs on his letter. If he wanted to drop from the leagues he was playing in, why didn't he just tell everyone he has marriage problems. He can easily do it after the fact, but not before?

Is there really any question at all? His story is very clearly fabricated as an excuse for his cheating.
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Old 03-08-2006, 11:23 AM   #410
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Perhaps he was abducted by aliens, who threatened an anal probing if he didn't go minsal on those players.

I mean, ya know, I could see that.
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Old 03-08-2006, 11:33 AM   #411
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Perhaps he was abducted by aliens, who threatened an anal probing if he didn't go minsal on those players.

I mean, ya know, I could see that.

I think you nailed it. This subject requires its own thread -- "Alien abductees who are compelled to cheat at FOF MP"

Someone please alert the government.

Damn aliens (Kodos excluded)

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:41 PM   #412
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JShipman made it onto our waiting list in the HFL, but luckily never got a team.

Unfortunately, this appears to be a popular cheat. The HFL could be booting an owner for this same thing and its going to be a mess to cleanup.

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:53 PM   #413
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i'm going to have to read this thread when i have the time... i know about the whole Shipman incident and he stepped down from his team in my league. But... i also have Clown2 and Play2Win in my league, so i'll have to read about those guys
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Old 03-08-2006, 04:57 PM   #414
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Clown is an oddball and Play2Win is a crazy asshat. I'm not sold on the fact that they are one and the same, but they could be I suppose.
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Old 03-08-2006, 07:11 PM   #415
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The HFL could be booting an owner for this same thing and its going to be a mess to cleanup.

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Old 03-08-2006, 07:20 PM   #416
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Old 03-08-2006, 07:21 PM   #417
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JShipman made it onto our waiting list in the HFL, but luckily never got a team.

Unfortunately, this appears to be a popular cheat. The HFL could be booting an owner for this same thing and its going to be a mess to cleanup.

I hope you don't mean me.

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Old 03-08-2006, 07:29 PM   #418
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Old 03-08-2006, 08:13 PM   #419
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:03 PM   #420
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JShipman made it onto our waiting list in the HFL, but luckily never got a team.

Unfortunately, this appears to be a popular cheat. The HFL could be booting an owner for this same thing and its going to be a mess to cleanup.



Now I'm curious. I have my suspicions about who it might be. I know I'm not in the league any more Thul, but if you don't mind, I'd love a PM about what's going on.

It was a hard decision for me to drop the HFL, but three MP leagues was taking up too much time and I think my HFL Dolphins suffered for it. At least I left the new guy with the first pick in the 74 draft, and I see he took Sweetness....that'll help.
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:03 PM   #421
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Thul has identified the cheater: http://www.shalkith.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1219
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:08 PM   #422
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That's who I thought it might be. No wonder he was able to keep such a loaded roster and never have any cap problems.

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Old 03-08-2006, 10:09 PM   #423
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Hope you rot in hell, dude.
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:12 PM   #424
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holy shit - thats a bomb shell!

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Old 03-08-2006, 10:27 PM   #425
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why am i banned from the HFL forum? what the fuck did i do?

that's very lame whoever banned me. i posted twice in your forum, both times requesting to be put on your waiting list. if this is how you treat people who want in your league then i'm glad i didn't waste my time.

that is seriously lame beyond all belief.
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:02 AM   #426
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Sorry to hear that the HFL had to put up with that -- I enjoyed the league while I was there.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:52 AM   #427
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why am i banned from the HFL forum? what the fuck did i do?

that's very lame whoever banned me. i posted twice in your forum, both times requesting to be put on your waiting list. if this is how you treat people who want in your league then i'm glad i didn't waste my time.

that is seriously lame beyond all belief.

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Old 03-09-2006, 07:08 AM   #428
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The problem is that the people who got caught were acting pretty blatently. You've got to worry that, like a virus that mutates, the cheats will learn from this experience and act less blatantly. A knock-on problem is that people who do offer lower wages or give a low wage/high bonus contract may come under suspicion. The whole thing is sucks.
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:25 AM   #429
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your reputation precedes you

what are you talking about? what reputation?

and even if i wasn't wanted by the league - why the need to ban me from even being able to read the forums? i've done nothing in my FOF MP leagues that would warrant such an extreme preemptive strike.

that's lame. i don't want to sound like sour grapes but your league could use a bunch of people like myself who are active and post often. you guys make it sound like you have some hallowed community you want to preserve. hardly anyone contributes to that league. your General Discussion forum mainly consists of Thul posting that the latest file is up.

that no-life, out of work hack JeeberD must be behind this. he made fun in the IHOF forum about trying to keep me out of HFL, but i thought he was kidding around. whatever, i don't go where i'm not wanted, but i like having a reason for hostility towards myself. unwarranted banning based on some "rep" (that i don't even know what the rep may be) is bush league.

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:03 AM   #430
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what are you talking about? what reputation?

and even if i wasn't wanted by the league - why the need to ban me from even being able to read the forums? i've done nothing in my FOF MP leagues that would warrant such an extreme preemptive strike.

that's lame. i don't want to sound like sour grapes but your league could use a bunch of people like myself who are active and post often. you guys make it sound like you have some hallowed community you want to preserve. hardly anyone contributes to that league. your General Discussion forum mainly consists of Thul posting that the latest file is up.

that no-life, out of work hack JeeberD must be behind this. he made fun in the IHOF forum about trying to keep me out of HFL, but i thought he was kidding around. whatever, i don't go where i'm not wanted, but i like having a reason for hostility towards myself. unwarranted banning based on some "rep" (that i don't even know what the rep may be) is bush league.

If you want to know my reasons, feel free to PM me.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:39 AM   #431
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Actually, that would be our Commissioner's Office forum, which has the sole purpose of making announcements such as the one you describe. If you're going to knock our league membership, you might as well get your facts straight. Our General Discussion is hardly the barren wasteland you describe.

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:42 AM   #432
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that's lame. i don't want to sound like sour grapes but your league could use a bunch of people like myself who are active and post often. you guys make it sound like you have some hallowed community you want to preserve. hardly anyone contributes to that league. your General Discussion forum mainly consists of Thul posting that the latest file is up.
Being in a league is more than just being active. Maybe one day you will understand that.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:43 AM   #433
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If you want to know my reasons, feel free to PM me.

no, not necessary. i don't like the way this was handled so i'm done with worrying about it.

it's just that i don't like this jump to react to an alleged "reputation" that was so bad that banning me from even being able to view your forums was necessary. this is especially the case if i came on to your board looking to start trouble, rather than what i wound up posting - looking to be put on your waiting list. this action says a lot of about HFL's league management, so i suppose it's best i don't get the chance to bother.

thul sent me a PM saying he didn't have an issue about me either way, it was that other owners had told him not to let me in. i didn't have a prob with that (again, i don't go where i'm not wanted), so that should have been the end of that. to go above and beyond simply stating i wouldn't be allowed in the league and taking the extra step to ban me when i've done nothing wrong is insanity.

anyway, i've moved on. i don't want to infuriate myself over a league that isn't that active anyway, and i don't want to get mad to the point where i start posting things that would get me boxed. this actually looks worse for you than it does for me. i know what i bring to the table, and it doesn't involve cheating like the HFL is having issues with. i just don't know what my "rep" is though, i want to make sure it's accurate. if people don't like how i interact with others, i can't do anything about that. i want to make sure this rep isn't based on false information. that's the only thing i'm concerned about.

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:44 AM   #434
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i've moved on Subby, let it go.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:54 AM   #435
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anyway, i've moved on. i don't want to infuriate myself over a league that isn't that active anyway, and i don't want to get mad to the point where i start posting things that would get me boxed. this actually looks worse for you than it does for me. i know what i bring to the table, and it doesn't involve cheating like the HFL is having issues with. i just don't know what my "rep" is though, i want to make sure it's accurate. if people don't like how i interact with others, i can't do anything about that. i want to make sure this rep isn't based on false information. that's the only thing i'm concerned about.


I don't know why you were banned, either. I do know that there is a strong suspicion that you are also posting as "Dildo Baggins", since that handle cropped up soon after the news was broken to you. I don't know if it's you, and I don't really care, but that might have something to do with the banning. Just some conjecture on my part.

As far as your rep and the validity of it, again, I'd be happy to discuss my perception of it with you via pm\email if you wish. Since I was one of the people who spoke up against you, obviously your reputation as far as online leagues is not one that I view favorably.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:05 AM   #436
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Ooh, Dildo Baggins. That's a good one. Can I use that?
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:12 AM   #437
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Shrug...I'll always consider HA to be an asset to any league he's a part of. You just have to be prepared for the other things that go along with his enthusiastic participation.

It's like winning $100,000 in the lottery, but having to get anally probed before you can pick up the check.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:13 AM   #438
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if you are familiar with checking IP addresses, i would hope you'd take this opportunity to look into that further.

this is what i was wishing against, false information. HFL is one league out of many. if i didn't stomp my feet and cry when i wasn't received well at IHOF (when i put it out there that i'd be interested in coming back) then why would i negatively react to not being allowed in HFL (no offense)?

seriously, you should do your IP homework before jumping to a conclusion like that. perhaps you can work with other commish's/SD to see my IP history. i would do it only so you have your facts straight, don't do it thinking i want to go back to viewing the HFL forums. this affair has left a nasty taste in my mouth and i'm not interested in dealing with your league. this is very bush league.

EDIT: and i'll beat you to the punch. yes, i did log on as "coolroy" when i took my hiatus from IHOF. i did so with the league management knowing who i was. i immediately became a contributor as coolroy. my aim was to get people to see that HA isn't as bad as my rep suggests, and planned to have a whole "WWE" type unveiling once i got a team that i thought would have made for great entertainment. i was going for a JR "wait...what's coolroy doing...he's ripping off his shirt. oh mah gawd! it's Hell Atlantic! he's back" type thing. didn't work out according to plan. it happens.

ok, now i'm really done. not looking to create this much hysteria over this.

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Old 03-09-2006, 10:21 AM   #439
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It's like winning $100,000 in the lottery, but having to get anally probed before you can pick up the check.

thanks?

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Old 03-09-2006, 10:39 AM   #440
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what are you talking about? what reputation?

and even if i wasn't wanted by the league - why the need to ban me from even being able to read the forums? i've done nothing in my FOF MP leagues that would warrant such an extreme preemptive strike.

that's lame. i don't want to sound like sour grapes but your league could use a bunch of people like myself who are active and post often. you guys make it sound like you have some hallowed community you want to preserve. hardly anyone contributes to that league. your General Discussion forum mainly consists of Thul posting that the latest file is up.

that no-life, out of work hack JeeberD must be behind this. he made fun in the IHOF forum about trying to keep me out of HFL, but i thought he was kidding around. whatever, i don't go where i'm not wanted, but i like having a reason for hostility towards myself. unwarranted banning based on some "rep" (that i don't even know what the rep may be) is bush league.
welcome to America HA, maybe if you didnt throw little bitch baby tantrums everytime you dont get your way, some people might like you. HFL is one of the better leagues in the land of FOF, so good in fact a few overly protective owners warned Thul on what a fucktard you are, warned them that posts like the one im responding too would soon start coming...and look, you didnt even have to join the league to show your stuff.

So yes, your rep precedes you. You were just ejected from the RWBL for being a complete asshole, too just about everyone, but especially to the Commishes. So they threw out of the league. That alone is enough for me to not want anything to do with you. Who the hell bitches about people who run a free game, with their own free time, for all to enjoy? Seeing how you treated Swaggs and Bsak was more than enough for me to warn Thul.

maybe youre not funny? maybe youre just a dick.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:39 AM   #441
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if you are familiar with checking IP addresses, i would hope you'd take this opportunity to look into that further.

this is what i was wishing against, false information. HFL is one league out of many. if i didn't stomp my feet and cry when i wasn't received well at IHOF (when i put it out there that i'd be interested in coming back) then why would i negatively react to not being allowed in HFL (no offense)?

seriously, you should do your IP homework before jumping to a conclusion like that. perhaps you can work with other commish's/SD to see my IP history. i would do it only so you have your facts straight, don't do it thinking i want to go back to viewing the HFL forums. this affair has left a nasty taste in my mouth and i'm not interested in dealing with your league. this is very bush league.


Not sure if you are refering this to me, but I just wanted to clear up the fact that I am merely speculating on your banning. This is not a conclusion anyone holds, including myself, because I don't know why you were banned. It's a hunch. Also, I'm not a mod at the HFL, so I can't check your IP history.
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Old 03-09-2006, 11:12 AM   #442
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that no-life, out of work hack JeeberD must be behind this. he made fun in the IHOF forum about trying to keep me out of HFL, but i thought he was kidding around. whatever, i don't go where i'm not wanted, but i like having a reason for hostility towards myself. unwarranted banning based on some "rep" (that i don't even know what the rep may be) is bush league.

I had nothing to do with banning you. Oh, and I do have a job, btw. Not a great one, but it is a job.
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Old 03-09-2006, 11:20 AM   #443
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HA, I just want to make sure you know that I think you would be a great owner in the sense that you would be very involved with your team and the league. I wish all the owners in the leage I help run were as active and committed as you. I also think your gaming integrity is above reproach.

Dealing with your personality can be exhausting though, and maybe some leagues just don't feel like putting up with that.

FWIW, I think it says a lot though that VPI vouches for you...maybe more good HA and less bad HA? I don't know....

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Old 03-09-2006, 11:29 AM   #444
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Just to complete this utter threadjack:

I don't believe HA is DildoBaggins or anyone else on the HFL boards. I don't know HA, have never played in a league with HA (that I can remember), and only know his name in passing. In short, he's not even a blip on my radar.

However, apparently others in the HFL are familiar with him. Enough so that it became clear he would not be welcome by many of the league owners. I pm'd him this very thing and he went on his way. His IP was then banned to ensure he didn't show up under another handle (although IP banning is far from perfect, anyways). If you're not welcome in the league, there is really no reason to be on our boards.

In his defense, even some of the owners that said he could be an ass also said he could be amusing at times. Of course, a baboon can be amusing, but I wouldn't let it run one of my teams either.
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Old 03-09-2006, 11:53 AM   #445
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FWIW, I think it says a lot though that VPI vouches for you...maybe more good HA and less bad HA? I don't know....
If I was looking for an owner and had final say on it, I'd take HA in a heartbeat. Although, that may be because I have more patience than 90% of the people on here and I tend to value the big picture more than all the small incidents that may occur.
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:50 PM   #446
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so we're chopping up the packers. wherever you are dude, i hope you are happy with your two tainted fake superbowl wins.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:46 PM   #447
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It just amazes me that people do this in a fucking multiplayer online game. Justin seemed like a good guy, he was RNFL with me, I've known him for a while. Obviously I (and the leagues I have been in/commished) are not new to this stupid kind of cheating. Just amazing that people still do it.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:48 PM   #448
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If I was looking for an owner and had final say on it, I'd take HA in a heartbeat. Although, that may be because I have more patience than 90% of the people on here and I tend to value the big picture more than all the small incidents that may occur.
Here, here! HA is active, and is immensely entertaining. I honestly believe that the primary problem he has is that there are a whole lot of amazingly thin-skinned people around here.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:55 PM   #449
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You've got to worry that, like a virus that mutates, the cheats will learn from this experience and act less blatantly. A knock-on problem is that people who do offer lower wages or give a low wage/high bonus contract may come under suspicion.

I was thinking the same thing.

I haven't played in any online FOF leagues so forgive my ignorance, but is there no definitive way to stop this? Is there no way to check to see if a player has gone into commissioner mode?
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:56 PM   #450
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He's annoying. Not offensive or entertaining. There's not many people in this world that have thicker skin than I.
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