College Football week 14

[cartman]

Good throw, the receiver should have come up with it. Hawaii holds on. They better hope the computers don't give them too much of a hit and stay in the top 12.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by cartman

Good throw, the receiver should have come up with it. Hawaii holds on. They better hope the computers don't give them too much of a hit and stay in the top 12.

I would think Hawaii would at least jump Boston College. Tennessee lost, so it would be a sham if they jump Hawaii. I guess Arizona State can jump them but if Hawaii jumps BC they are still 12th.

[IMetTrentGreen]

Actually, I believe I said Missouri could beat Kansas, I just thought Kansas was better. Poor red zone play Kansas them in. It happens. And on top of that, I thought OU would beat Mizzou should that happen. And on top of that, I think Bradford is the truth. And on top of that, I think Murray is good, too.

I understand it's easier to argue with strawmen.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by dawgfan from CF W13 thread

From a talent perspective, I think UW can play with Hawaii. Put this game on a neutral field and I think it's a toss-up. But I have a strong fear that the UW players, with little to play for other than the "spoiler" role, will treat this game like a vacation and mail it in.

Locker will be a beast as always, but he can't win without help, and he's just not advanced enough as a passer to offset what Brennan is going to be able to do to the UW secondary unless the UW can control the clock with a power running game and a few turnovers from the defense.

After the disappointing Apple Cup and the 6 hour flight delay you can be proud that they didn't mail it in. Rankin is a stud but they need someone else to return kicks because he was taking some shots during the returns and it looked like he kept getting/reaggravating an injury after each return. Locker is a beast on the ground but definately needs to work on throwing (that long bomb aside). I felt the OLine did a good job picking up our blitzes and just generally giving Locker time when he did have to throw. The defense was pressuring Colt all night but if given enough time the receivers found holes in the coverage.

Good luck to the Huskies. May it not take another 69 years to play again.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by 14ers

OU gets the automatic bid to the Fiesta Bowl this year.

MO or KU? MO should get the 2nd BIG XII BCS bid since they beat KU last weekend, but I bet KU gets it instead.


LOL, how is June Jones undefeated season looking now?

Good. Thanks for asking.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I know this may end up biting Kansas in the rear as they may lose a BCS bid to Hawaii (particularly if the Fiesta Bowl grabs Arizona St over KU) but it's great to see Hawaii get the berth.

SI

According to the BCS Guru,

The Guru's final bowl projections:

• BCS championship game: No. 1 Ohio State (11-1) vs. No. 2 LSU (11-2)
• Rose Bowl: No. 8 USC (10-2) vs. 13. Illinois (9-3)
• Sugar Bowl: No. 4 Georgia (10-2) vs. No. 10 Hawai'i (12-0)
• Fiesta Bowl: No. 5 Oklahoma (11-2) vs. No. 9 West Virginia (10-2)
• Orange Bowl: No. 3 Virginia Tech (11-2) vs. No. 7 Kansas (11-1)

You cheer Hawaii. I cheer Rock Chalk, eh?

[Leonidas]

I guess I'm not as sentimental as most folks here, but IMO barely beating the PAC-10's last place team at home hardly validates a BCS bid.

[larrymcg421]

No matter what they did against Washington, the only way for Hawaii to validate their BCS bid is to win their BCS game.

[k0ruptr]

no matter what Hawaii did all season (undefeated I'm pretty sure) maybe not though. Hawaii will always have doubters regardless, if the team was 0-12 people would be saying, gees why didn't they schedule better teams.

Colt Brennan doesn't make the schedule, June Jones doesn't make the Schedule. the Defense who always comes up big when the pressure is on didn't make the schedule. Our incompetent AD made the schedule. All we can do is play the games we are scheduled for. we did. We didn't lose any of them. 0 , none , nada. this team has more balls and guts then Oklahoma, Ohio St, or Missouri. If we win a BCS bowl (if we make it, hey still could get screwed - coaches from big name conferences vote on this thing too)

anyway if we do Win, it still won't validate shit for Hawaii. everyone will make excuses regardless about how we suck, or our players should be in jail. or they are gimmicks. products of a system. but hey ya know what, I don't give a damn! cause we are undefeated. and I can't think of any other teams right now this year that haven't lost.

maybe the Patriots thats about it.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

but hey ya know what, I don't give a damn! cause we are undefeated. and I can't think of any other teams right now this year that haven't lost.

Grand Valley State.

[Klinglerware]

I stayed up 'til 3:30 last night, and it was worth it. Congrats to Hawaii and June Jones, who has stubbornly stuck with the run and shoot system, despite all the doubters.

Hawaii now has a chance to go further than any other 1-A run and shoot team has ever gone before. Even during Houston's great years during the Pardee/Jenkins era, they never did win the Southwestern, and they were on probation so it didn't matter...

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Grand Valley State.

At least they have a shot at a national title....

[cschex]

In regards to the championship games, I believe VT will be a very slight number 1 in the computers over LSU. Depending on that margin, if they stay ahead in the human polls VT will play OSU but if enough voters flip them ( and I think they probably will based on head to head) then it would be LSU. From what I can tell, OU's computer score is so bad that they would have to make huge jumps in both polls to make it.

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by cartman

I don't think Ohio State would be able to stop Hawaii's offense.

Ok. Do realize that Ohio State has the only allowed 148 yds per game in the air all year? Which is 1st in the country, along with being #1 in passing effeciency defense. I'm pretty sure Ohio State's D-Line would put all kinds of pressure on Brennan.

Not to mention the fact that Hawaii would not be able to stop OSU's running game.

[Lathum]

Illinois?

Is that because the Rose Bowl wants a big 11 team?

[Lathum]

Dola- Of the 3 teams from non BCS confrences to play in a BCS game I think Hawaii looks the shakiest. ( assuming they get in)

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Illinois?

Is that because the Rose Bowl wants a big 11 team?

Yes. The Rose Bowl has maintained the traditional Big Ten/Pac 10 matchup since the BCS started when it was possible. The only times they not was when A) it had the title or B) when the Pac 10 or Big 10 champion was in the title game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Did Mizzou B-Ball Fan make the trip to San Antonio? For all the shit he was talking in the Week 13 thread, he hasn't posted once in this thread.

I feel bad for the other Mizzou fans, but not for him.

1. I didn't go. I had to take care of my 9 month old this weekend. I apologize for not meeting your similar need to post at all times.

2. Oklahoma fans have every right to talk. A Texas fan who's team didn't even make the B12 championship should not be the one to talk.

[Dr. Sak]

Congrats Hawaii fans!

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

B) when the Pac 10 or Big 10 champion was in the title game.

You mean like OSU will most likely be?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'd note that I think OU played a much better game last night than they did in the previous OU/MU meeting. They didn't turn the ball over and scored in the red zone.

Mizzou's one turnover was crucial and really turned the tide. Also, the lack of scoring in the red zone killed Mizzou. If our offense turned those FG's into touchdowns, it would have been a game. Unfortunately they didn't.

Both teams return most of their good players next year. MU and OU don't meet in the regular season. Would love to meet them again in the B12 championship.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

You mean like OSU will most likely be?

True. I still expect the Zookers to be in the Rose Bowl.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Illinois?

Is that because the Rose Bowl wants a big 11 team?

and because they want the Chicago viewing area

[JeeberD]

Congrats, 'Bows!

[Noop]

So the possible matchup for Ohio State

Ohio State vs. LSU - LSU by 7
Ohio State vs. UGA - Ohio State by a 3
Ohio State vs. Virgina Tech - VT by 3
Ohio State vs. USC - USC by 3

[Galaxy]

Hawaii is a fun team to watch. If they didn't make all those stupid turnovers, I think they could of put up a better score.

It may sound nuts, but I think Hawaii should play in the title game the way the season has turned out. How much different are they from Kansas's slightly tougher schedule?

I hope Hawaii uses some that $4-some million from the bowl trip and re-invest it into some new facilities and a bigger budget for Jones and the staff to recruit with.

How did Boise State come out of the bowl last year with the money and recruiting (last season's and this seasons)? Is Hawaii having a better year in recruiting this year?

[Galaxy]

Illinois gets a BCS bid? They are good, but I don't think they are BCS-worthy.

Personally, I would love to see a Hawaii-USC Rose Bowl.

[Lathum]

I think Florida gets in a BCS game before Kansas and Illinois.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

According to the BCS Guru,

Originally Posted by CBS

Champ: Ohio St vs LSU
Rose: USC vs Illinois
Sugar: Georgia vs Hawaii
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs Kansas
Orange: Virginia Tech vs West Virginia

CNNSI has the same ones as the BCS Guru except they were undecided about whether it would be Georgia or LSU. So they just had Georgia/LSU in the title game and Sugar Bowl.

ESPN and Fox don't have any projections from this week.

I still think there's a really good chance the Fiesta Bowl takes Arizona State since they're basically the home team and they would be in the top 16.

SI

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think Florida gets in a BCS game before Kansas and Illinois.

A conference can only have 2 teams and the SEC already has LSU and Georgia in.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Hawaii is a fun team to watch. If they didn't make all those stupid turnovers, I think they could of put up a better score.

It may sound nuts, but I think Hawaii should play in the title game the way the season has turned out. How much different are they from Kansas's slightly tougher schedule?

I expected k0ruptr to be delusional but you too? I stand by what I said, Hawaii had to come from behind to barely beat a last place Pac10 team. You put them in a legitimate conference and they would be down near the bottom after having to play tougher, bigger teams week after week.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I still think there's a really good chance the Fiesta Bowl takes Arizona State since they're basically the home team and they would be in the top 16.

I think the Fiesta Bowl will not choose Arizona State because it is their home area. Strictly looking at from an economic standpoint, it would bring in more money into the area to have an out of state team in the game. Some of the rumors here in Oklahoma are saying that Kansas or Georgia will end up playing the Sooners.

[sooner333]

I doubt Georgia goes to the Fiesta, because assuming LSU goes to the championship, the Sugar Bowl will take Georgia with their pick.

The at-large picking order will be:
Rose (Ohio State is #1)
Sugar (LSU will probably be #2)
Orange (bowl closest to BCS championship game)
Fiesta (bowl second closest to BCS championship game)
Sugar (bowl played immediately following the Rose Bowl)

Georgia must be taken because they will be 3 or 4 most likely, WVU must be taken as the Big East doesn't have a home bowl, Hawaii must be taken because they are a top 12 team.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I expected k0ruptr to be delusional but you too? I stand by what I said, Hawaii had to come from behind to barely beat a last place Pac10 team. You put them in a legitimate conference and they would be down near the bottom after having to play tougher, bigger teams week after week.

I don't think Hawaii should be in the title game but I can't see how you can say that that they are not playing in a legitimate conference. They are playing in a BCS conference or at least one that is claimed by the BCS official website. The BCS system itself gives legitimacy to the conference they are in.
The conference fits whatever the criteria the BCS system has set for inclusion.

[Buccaneer]

I hope the Sugar Bowl makes the sensible choice based on economics and not choose Hawaii and their 17 fans. They would do better bringing in ASU (I think) or Mizzou or Boston College to play Georgia. Is there a list/ranking of schools that travel well?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I hope the Sugar Bowl makes the sensible choice based on economics and not choose Hawaii and their 17 fans. They would do better bringing in ASU (I think) or Mizzou or Boston College to play Georgia. Is there a list/ranking of schools that travel well?

To be fair, if you lived in Hawaii, would you travel anywhere?

SI

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

To be fair, if you lived in Hawaii, would you travel anywhere?

SI

That is true. Of all of the places I have traveled to, there were no places that I could relax better and let my brain turn to mush than the islands.

[clintl]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I hope the Sugar Bowl makes the sensible choice based on economics and not choose Hawaii and their 17 fans. They would do better bringing in ASU (I think) or Mizzou or Boston College to play Georgia. Is there a list/ranking of schools that travel well?

Why do you hate Hawaii so much?

Personally, if we're going to have a sham like the BCS to determine the national championship, the system should have the integrity to match up the only undefeated team in the nation (Hawaii) vs. the only 1-loss team that actually won its conference (Ohio State).

[watravaler]

BCS championship game: No. 1 Ohio State (11-1) vs. No. 2 LSU (11-2)
Rose Bowl: No. 8 USC (10-2) vs. 13. Illinois (9-3)
Sugar Bowl: No. 4 Georgia (10-2) vs. No. 10 Hawai'i (12-0)
Fiesta Bowl: No. 5 Oklahoma (11-2) vs. No. 9 West Virginia (10-2)
Orange Bowl: No. 3 Virginia Tech (11-2) vs. No. 7 Kansas (11-1)

I like the matchups, although there is no question(imo) that Mizzou deserves the B12 spot over Kansas(did they beat a top 25 team this season?)...

All of these teams, except Hawaii, will be very good next season. I wish Tebow and Florida could have played Illinois in the Citrus Bowl, but I digress...

[Doug5984]

I'm normally all for giving the undefeated teams a chance, but Hawaii really hasn't played anyone at all

Sep 2 Northern Colorado Won 63-6
Sep 8 @Louisiana Tech Won 45-44
Sep 15 @UNLV Won 49-14
Sep 23 Charleston Southern Won 66-10
Sep 29 @Idaho Won 48-20
Oct 7 Utah St. Won 52-37
Oct 12 @San Jose St. Won 42-35
Oct 28 New Mexico St. Won 50-13
Nov 10 Fresno St. Won 37-30
Nov 16 @Nevada Won 28-26
Nov 23 Boise St. Won 39-27
Dec 1 Washington Won 35-28

I'd say the top half of all the major conferences would have gone undefeated against that schedule.

Perfect example of why there should be a little playoff, but without one you can't say that they are one of the best two teams in the country.

I would love to see USC - LSU, but I know there is no way of that happening... I think it will be Ohio State - LSU.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I hope the Sugar Bowl makes the sensible choice based on economics and not choose Hawaii and their 17 fans. They would do better bringing in ASU (I think) or Mizzou or Boston College to play Georgia. Is there a list/ranking of schools that travel well?

Sugar appears to be stuck with Hawaii, as they have the last pick this year & they're guaranteed a slot if they're in the top 12 of the BCS standings.
Selection order for at-large slots January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar

That's why they've been predicted for the Sugar so frequently.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I figure it'll be
BCS championship game: No. 1 Ohio State (11-1) vs. No. 2 LSU (11-2)
Rose Bowl: No. 8 USC (10-2) vs. 13. Illinois (9-3)
Sugar Bowl: No. 4 Georgia (10-2) vs. No. 10 Hawai'i (12-0)
Fiesta Bowl: No. 5 Oklahoma (11-2) vs. No. 7 Kansas (11-1)
Orange Bowl: No. 3 Virginia Tech (11-2) vs. No. 9 West Virginia (10-2)
(borrowed from watraveler's post, just flip-flopping KU and WVU)

[VPI97]

Coaches poll is out...

1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. USC
7. missouri
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii


This pretty much guarentees LSU vs Ohio State.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by timmynausea

A conference can only have 2 teams and the SEC already has LSU and Georgia in.

interesting.

I didn't know that

[sterlingice]

Hawaii up to 10 all but guarantees them a spot, too

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Coaches poll is out...

1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Virginia Tech
6. USC
7. missouri
8. Kansas
9. West Virginia
10. Hawaii


This pretty much guarentees LSU vs Ohio State.

Yeah... and Hawai'i's automatic bid as well.

edit: dammit, beat to it... so I'll add, and Georgia has an auto bid for being #4 (if they are there in the BCS), not automatically getting in due to being a conference champion, and the #3 team being a conference champion (so they don't qualify to get in automatically due to that rule).

[timmynausea]

It seems like the Fiesta would want to avoid an all Big 12 matchup, but maybe with Oklahoma and Kansas not playing this year they'd go for it.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by watravaler

BCS championship game: No. 1 Ohio State (11-1) vs. No. 2 LSU (11-2)
Rose Bowl: No. 8 USC (10-2) vs. 13. Illinois (9-3)
Sugar Bowl: No. 4 Georgia (10-2) vs. No. 10 Hawai'i (12-0)
Fiesta Bowl: No. 5 Oklahoma (11-2) vs. No. 9 West Virginia (10-2)
Orange Bowl: No. 3 Virginia Tech (11-2) vs. No. 7 Kansas (11-1)

I like the matchups, although there is no question(imo) that Mizzou deserves the B12 spot over Kansas(did they beat a top 25 team this season?)...

All of these teams, except Hawaii, will be very good next season. I wish Tebow and Florida could have played Illinois in the Citrus Bowl, but I digress...

Really think Hawaii will slip back in the WAC? I don't think they'll match this season, but Jones has done a terrific job in his nine seasons in getting that program winning.

I wonder if they'll be able to land a good recruiting class this season.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Sugar appears to be stuck with Hawaii, as they have the last pick this year & they're guaranteed a slot if they're in the top 12 of the BCS standings.
Selection order for at-large slots January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar

That's why they've been predicted for the Sugar so frequently.

How does the Rose and Sugar Bowl get slotted into the picking order if they lose the conference champions?

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

How does the Rose and Sugar Bowl get slotted into the picking order if they lose the conference champions?

The replacement picks go first, Rose getting #1 because they had the number 1 team and Sugar getting 2nd. The only rule there is that the Rose can't use the first pick on an SEC team unless the Sugar permits. Still, everyone expects both of them to just pick their conference team.