The FOFC Historical Person Draft Thread (Draft Underway!)

[oliegirl]

Chief responded to my email...here is the answer to Render's question:

I wouldn’t say I have a rule against particular era choice/placement, but there is certainly an aim for that rule. Just let Render know that choosing an era as close as possible to the biological lifespan of the historical person is the spirit of the era rule, and to err far from it would be likely to be considered poorly by voters. So in other words, I wouldn’t stop him from going outside era if he felt he could construct an argument for it, but I will be encouraging eras==biological lifespan, and encouraging voters to consider that when voting. Does that make sense?

And I mentioned that you guys were whining about having to wait an hour, he said to man up and quit being babies OK, those might not have been his exact words but he said an hour was no big deal

[RendeR]

Thanks for the clarification!

[RendeR]

Where's BUCC!! =)

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Well, we know that Izulde will be back in an hour or so. I'll check in then.

Posted at 4:23pm...

[Buccaneer]

4.6 Cleopatra - Women, Classical Era

One of the most famous women in history. She was the last pharaoh of Egypt and she ushered in the start of the Roman Era.

[Buccaneer]

Just emailed my brother.

[oliegirl]

I have Racer's list, I will check back frequently to see where we are, but I've got some stuff to take care of so I'm not "right here"...

[Racer]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I have Racer's list, I will check back frequently to see where we are, but I've got some stuff to take care of so I'm not "right here"...

I should be here for my next pick.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to be heading out in about 15 minutes for about 3.5 hours. I will send in picks.

[Racer]

Dola, I probably won't go off that list unless my #1 following my Homer pick is still available.

[AENeuman]

Feeling anxious about the 2000's

4.7 Barry Bonds, Athlete, 2000-present

All time season, and career, the symbol of an era, crazy head growth.

Plus need some Barry karma for tonight...

[oliegirl]

Thanks for letting me know BK...

Racer, also thanks for letting me know you are here, if you change your list at all, please send an updated one asap

[RendeR]

4.8 Aristotle, Scribe, Classical Era

From Wikipedia:
Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. He wrote on many different subjects, including physics, metaphysics, poetry, theater, music, logic, rhetoric, politics, government, ethics, biology and zoology.^{[1] ...} All aspects of Aristotle's philosophy continue to be the object of active academic study today.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

4.9 Elvis musician 1960'-1970's
the man who shaped modern music
you ain't nothing but a hound dog if you disagree with this pick

[Danny]

Aristotle and Elvin are both great picks, though I think of Aristotle more as an intellectual. I had Elvis right after Beethoven.

[Racer]

4.10 Pablo Picasso (Pre WWII) - Artist

I don't get why so many people love his work, but they do. I chose the era that spans most of his life. I considered taking him over Homer so I am quite happy he was still available here.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Danny

Aristotle and Elvin are both great picks, though I think of Aristotle more as an intellectual. I had Elvis right after Beethoven.

He could well be used as an intelletual as well, but I already had someone in that slot =)

And with all the things he wrote he fits the scribe category quite well also.

The wiki info says that only about a 1/3 of his actual writings are still in existance. So sad to lose so much knowledge.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

4.9 Elvis musician 1960'-1970's
the man who shaped modern music
you ain't nothing but a hound dog if you disagree with this pick

I didn't even think of him! Great pick. I'm not sure I would have taken Mozart so high if I had thought of him.

[Danny]

I realized I typed Elvin. Elvin from Elvin at the Chipmunks wouldn't be a bad pick either.

[Danny]

Beethoven, Mozart and Elvin were my top three.

[larrymcg421]

Elvin?

[spleen1015]

4.11 Lisa del Giocondo - Women (Renaissance)

Who better than the subject of the most famous painting in the history of the world?

[Racer]

Anywhere know where Olie is, because Barkeep said earlier in this thread that he sent her his picks.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

4.11 Lisa del Giocondo - Women (Renaissance)

Who better than the subject of the most famous painting in the history of the world?

Interesting, but how many people even know her name? Its a unique pick to say the least. Very interesting.

[oliegirl]

I'm here, checking my PM now

[oliegirl]

Barkeep's pick:

4.12 Theodore Roosevelt - Diplomat/Ruler (Pre WWII)
The only sitting President to win the Nobel Peace Prize, Roosevelt exemplifies the American Spirit. Having been a boxer, hunter, soldier, and crusader, he also made a pretty good President. His policy on foreign affairs (Speak softly and carry a big stick) and domestic affairs (his reformist attitude particularly against the trusts) resonates in both political parties to this day.

His second pick has been taken (Elvis), and he didn't send me any backups, so I can't post his pick for 5.1...

[RendeR]

DOH!

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Danny

Aristotle and Elvin are both great picks, though I think of Aristotle more as an intellectual. I had Elvis right after Beethoven.

I had Elvis down in the Cultural category - probably one of the most pervasive cultural icons there is.

[oliegirl]

LWSFS, could you please bold your pick? I keep missing it and then freaking out that I screwed up...

[Racer]

because I need it, I've updated the draft board.

ROUND ONE

1. Barkeep-- Jesus of Nazareth - Religious Figure (Classical Age)
2. spleen-- Alexander the Great - Military Leader (Classical Age)
3. Racer-- Muhammad - Religious Figure (Middle Ages)
4. LWSFS-- William Shakespeare - Scribe (1600s)
5. Render-- Leonardo Da Vinci - Intellectual (Renaissance)
6. AENeuman-- St. Nicholas - Cultural Icon (Classical Age)
7. Buccaneer-- Albert Einstein - Intellectual (Pre-WWII 20th century)
8. Izulde-- Adolf Hitler - Evil Historical Person (WWII - 1950s)
9. Danny-- Augustus Caesar - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (Classical Age)
10. ColtCrazy-- Benjamin Franklin - Intellectual (1700s)
11. larrymcg-- Isaac Newton - Intellectual (1600s)
12. noop-- Siddhārtha Gautama aka Buddha - Religious Figure (Classical Age)

ROUND TWO

1. noop-- Imhotep - Intellectual (Ancient Times)
2. larrymcg-- Abraham Lincoln - Ruler/Diplomatic Leader (1800s)
3. ColtCrazy-- Mahatma Gandhi - Good Historical Person (Pre-WWII 20th century)
4. Danny-- George Washington- Good Historical Person (1700's)
5. Izulde-- Catherine the Great - Woman (1700s)
6. Buccaneer-- Michael Jordan - Sportsman (1980-1999)
7. AENEuman-- Queen Elizabeth - Woman (Renaissance)
8. Render-- Mother Theresa - Good Historical Person (1960-1979)
9. LWSFS-- Michelangelo - Artist (Renaissance)
10. Racer-- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Musician (1700’s)
11. spleen-- Walt Disney - Cultural Icon (Pre-WWII 20th century)
12. Barkeep—Hammurabi – intellectual (Ancient Times)

Round THREE

1. Barkeep—Ghenghis Khan – military leader (middle ages)
2. spleen—Tutankhamun – ruler/diplomatic leader (ancient times)
3. Racer—Homer - scribe (ancients times)
4. LWSFS—Julius Caesar –military ruler (Classical age)
5. Render—Abraham – religious figure (ancient times)
6. AENeuman—Moses – religious figure (ancient times)
7. Buccaneer—Napolean Bonaparte – military leader (1800s)
8. Izulde—Martin Luther King Jr. – good historical person (1960s-1970s)
9. Danny—Oprah Winfrey – cultural icon (2000s)
10. ColtCrazy—Ramesses II – ruler/diplomatic leader (Ancient times)
11. larrymcg—Joan of Arc – women (Renaissance)
12. noop- Joseph Stalin – evil historical person (1939 – 1950s)

ROUND FOUR

1. noop- Saladin – military leader (middle ages)
2. larrymcg- Hannibal - military leader (classical ages)
3. ColtCrazy—Charlemagne – military leader (middle ages)
4. Danny—Ludwig van Beethoven – musical (1800s)
5. Izulde- Babe Ruth – sports (1901-1939)
6. Buccaneer—Cleopatra – women (Classical era)
7. AENEuman—Barry Bonds – athlete (2000s)
8. Render—Aristotle – scribe (Classical era)
9. LWSFS—Elvis – musician (1960s-1970s)
10. Racer—Pablo Picasso - Artist (Pre WWII)
11. spleen-- Lisa del Giocondo – women (renaissance)
12. Barkeep—Theodore Roosevelt – ruler/diplomatic leader (Pre WWII)

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Interesting, but how many people even know her name? Its a unique pick to say the least. Very interesting.

Yeah, I didn't know the name myself. If anything, it sounded like one of Kevin Arnold's girlfriends.

[ColtCrazy]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I had Elvis down in the Cultural category - probably one of the most pervasive cultural icons there is.

That's exactly where I had him as well. He fits perfectly either way, though he was more ironic towards the end of his career and after his death.

[spleen1015]

Does it matter if people know her name? She's the Mona Lisa!

I thought it was a pretty clever pick.

[Noop]

One small peeve. Its Noop not noop. I know its not major but still.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

That's exactly where I had him as well. He fits perfectly either way, though he was more ironic towards the end of his career and after his death.

An interesting Freudian slip.

[Buccaneer]

Don't know if this will work but can we establish a rule that we cannot vote for ourselves? I think doing so is cheesy and classless, and I would be more interested in what those of us here think of the other picks.

[ColtCrazy]

Nice catch. I was thinking how ironic it was that he was more iconic after his death. Very nice catch. My mind is uncontrollable at times.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

3.4 Julius Caesar classical age-military ruler

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but I want to confirm the category here. You have combined two categories here (Military Leader and Ruler/Diplomat). For now, I am going with Military Leader.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Noop

I have a question are we trying to get people who aren't the normal choices or are we just trying to put together the best draft based on notoriety? I am just wondering because I have a few names in mind whose names are not well known but their impact is very significant.

I know we're playing for fun but I am just wondering...

Yes, that's up to you. Your goal is your own. The stated goal is to produce the "best" list (no standards really set to define "best"), which will be voted on after the draft is completed. So if your goal is to win the vote, then you might steer your picks toward that. But what your aim is here is up to you.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't know if this has already been addressed, but I want to confirm the category here. You have combined two categories here (Military Leader and Ruler/Diplomat). For now, I am going with Military Leader.

Sorry I wasn't more clear. I meant military leader

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Yeah, I just went by the years listed for each category. She could only be considered renaissance based on that criteria.

While I agree with the perception of a Middle Ages bend for her, you are correct that she lived in the Renaissance period as I have set it out. The Renaissance was already beginning to bloom in Italy in the early 15th century, but France and England were too busy fighting a century long war to notice.

I actually think this is one of those picks where you could have gone either way and not have been too penalized for it by voters, but we'll see.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

Sorry I wasn't more clear. I meant military leader

No problem. Thanks for the head's up.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Apparently my Oprah pick wasn't too popular, but she was in my opinion the top candidate from the 2000-present era and a good choice for the cultural icon category. Perhaps not the ideal audience for her here, but she has had a huge influence on the world, on African Americans and on women.

I always laugh thinking about Oprah because there is a morning radio show here in LA (Kevin & Bean on KROQ) that professes that Oprah rules the world, because if she came on her show and told all the women of the world to kill their men, they would do it without hesitation.

[Chief Rum]

Hey everyone, by and large we have made good progress today, and can still make even more tonight. That said, I think today also illustrates why lists are important--particularly lengthy lists. I mentioned lists being just enough for your picks as a problem last night after we got stalled with Noop's pick. So we get here today and Noop was saying at one point that he was sending in just enough picks for his turn (he was here to make his picks fortunately), and Barkeep did the same thing. We have to wait essentially because of short lists. So I'll emphasize again that it would really help us along if everyone sends in longer lists. Not just enough to cover your picks. Think at least three or four times as long. Unless you are literally one spot away from drafting, your list should be at least five names long. Maybe even longer if you're way down on the other end of the draft.

So if we could keep that in mind in the future, I think we would all be very appreciative of that.

Other than that, no quibbles and some excellent picks. I am looking forward to seeing how the rest of this plays out.

[Barkeep49]

Sorry for not sending in a back-up. Working on a new pick.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

4.11 Lisa del Giocondo - Women (Renaissance)

Who better than the subject of the most famous painting in the history of the world?

I was thinking of her as a cultural icon.

[Wolfpack]

Kinda wish I got involved in this one, but it's fun reading along anyway.

I do have an idea for what the next draft could be, though I'd probably need help managing it as I try to stay off these boards during the daytime hours (except over lunch) while at work. I searched around and while there was a sports greats draft some time back, this new draft would be completely different in nature from that one.

If I can get some strikes of interest, I'll set up a new thread, but I'll delay the start of the draft until after this one is done.

[Barkeep49]

With pick 5.1 I'm choosing

Nelson Mandela - Historical Good (1980s & 1990s)
Much like the a couple of the previous picks in this category (King & Ghandi) Mandela fought relentlessly for the rights of his people against an oppressive force. After being jailed for his views Mandela was released and helped with the surprisingly peaceful transition from apartheid to majority black rule.

[spleen1015]

5.2 Jack the Ripper - Evil Person (1800s)

[Racer]

Alright I'm up, I'll have my pick in a few minutes.